"Then God said, 'Let US make man in OUR image, and in OUR likeness'"

if you read the Nag Hammadi Libraries

it suggest that Sophia the female counter to god (in some of the writings she trying to birth a child pretty much blows up her placenta) is the "holy ghost" and part of god under the one and al "unspeakale spirit"

creating a "trinity" if you will eve before the son was born.

Super supreme spirit

with God the Father, and Sophia (wisdon/Holy Ghost) under her

some text is a hard read and is also ot all there so I'm not sure 100% how Jesus is created but has todo with Sophia having the baby through Marry

Originally posted by silverstreak
Then God said, "Let US make man in OUR image, in OUR likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, [a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground (Genesis 1:26)

And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of US, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever" (Genesis 3:22)

Come, let US go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other (Genesis 11:7)

*****

So why is God speaking in pluralities?

In Hebrew, God is Elohim which is already plural. The Christian concept of God is three persons of the Godhead. When one mentions God, they are already referring to the 3 persons, none excluded, unless one specifies, the Son or the Father or the Holy Spirit. They function in unison. If you remove one, God would not exist at all just as in the equation Energy=mass x the speed of light squared, you remove one of them, it wouldn't make sense and it wouldn't work. You will notice that all basic equation revolves around 3 functions, like for example:

Force=Mass x Acceleration
Voltage = Impedance x Resistance
Distance = Speed x Time
Density = Mass / Volume
Pressure = Force / Unit Area
Power = Work Done / Unit Time

And also with light:

Primary Colors = Red, Green, and Blue

If you remove just one component, it wouldn't work at all. They all have to work in unison. That is how it is with God. You cannot just take one component. They have to work together as God.

This raises a question: Could those passages have not been said by God at all? But rather by god-like beings?

God created angels as well which is a lot mightier and intelligent than man.

Genesis makes claim that a race of powerful Giants used to inhabit this earth (a passage that Christian churches conveniently like to overlook or not include with their Sunday scripture readings):

"There were giants (Nephilim) in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown" (Genesis 6:4)

True. It is simply overlooked not because to ignore it, but because they simply are not sure what it meant.

Nephilims are beings born from angels and woman. The first Nephilim was Cain. He was the son of Satan. Satan manifested himself into a human form in order to impregnate Eve. In Genesis, you will read that there are 2 seeds. That simply means, two different bloodlines - the blood of Satan and the blood of Adam. You may notice in the genealogy of Adam, Cain was never ever mentioned, only Seth and Abel. Even in the New Testament, in tracing the genealogy of Jesus all the way to Adam, Cain was never mentioned.

In bloodlines, the first born is always mentioned. Cain was born first but you have to question why he wasn't even mentioned in the bloodline. Instead Cain has it's own bloodline separate from Adam.

Some of the angels followed Satan and they too have children born out of human woman. They are very mighty and was probably worshiped as gods. In the old testament you'll see them mentioned as Rephaims, Zamzumis, Imims, Anakim, etc. These are the races of the Nephilims distinct and separate from the human kind. You'll also read about them in Greek Mythologies like Zeus, Thor, Perseus, Apollos, etc. However, their kind and their civilization were destroyed by the ancient Israelites.

It says "Us" and "Our" because Yahweh was speaking to The Word who was also Michael the Arch Angel and later became Christ Jesus. The Word was Yahweh's first and only direct creation and he was also the bi-creator of creation. This is why the belief in the Trinity is false.

Revelation 1:1-4 "The revelation of Jesus Christ that God gave Him to show His slaves what must quickly take place. He sent it and signified it through His angel to His slave John, who testified to God's word and to the testimony about Jesus Christ, in all he saw. Blessed is the one who reads and blessed are those who hear the words of this prophecy and keep what is written in it, because the time is near!" "through His angel to His slave John, who testified to God's word and to the testimony about Jesus Christ, in all he saw. "

To Yahweh's Word about Jesus Christ, whom is the Living Word of Yahweh.

Revelation 3:14 "To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: "The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Originator of God's creation says: "

The "Originator" of Yahweh's creation. Why so?

Colossians 1:15 "He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation;"

Not the equal - not God Almighty Yahweh Himself - but the "firstborn" direct creation by Yahweh. That's what Only Begotten Son means. For Yahweh has many sons, but they are not His direct creations - only that of the Word, Christ Jesus.

John 17:5 "Now, Father, glorify Me in Your presence with that glory I had with You before the world existed."

Glorify him in His presence - Not Glorify His own presence as the Almighty. The Word existed with Yahweh before the founding of any other thing in creation. The Word was Yahweh's master craftsman that created all else in existence.

John 6:62 "Then what if you were to observe the Son of Man ascending to where He was before?"

As that Only Begotten Son and master craftsman, he existed where? Next to Yahweh. When he ascended back to Heaven, he ascended to who? Himself? NO! Yahweh, his Father.

John 1:1-3 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. All things were created through Him, and apart from Him not one thing was created that has been created."

"and the Word was God." The Word was the exact image of his Father, so he too was a God of lesser position; for he existed along side his Father as a master worker of creating all else that came into existence. But he himself is not the Father, Yahweh.

John 1:10 "He was in the world, and the world was created through Him, yet the world did not recognize Him."

The world was created through him, because all ENERGY and POWER come from Yahweh. Just like the laying on of the Hands. The people don't heal the afflicted - Yahweh heals through them with His energy. All that Christ created came from Yahweh's vast energy source, so it is also proper to say Yahweh created all things even though they came through the works of the Living Word, his Son.

Colossians 1:17 "He is before all things, and by Him all things hold together."

Since Christ was the beginning of Yahweh's creation as the Word, and all else was created through the Word, all things in existence are held together by the UNION - not the TRINITY that was formed by Yahweh, the Word and the Holy Spirit, which is Yahweh's Active Force.

Colossians 1:16 "because by Him everything was created, in heaven and on earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him."

The Word created EVERYTHING ELSE. It exists for him because he is Yahweh's Only Begotten Son. His first and ONLY direct creation. Therefore, all else exists and hold together through the Living Word, Jesus Christ.

Philippians 2:5-8 "Make your own attitude that of Christ Jesus, who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God as something to be used for His own advantage. Instead He emptied Himself by assuming the form of a slave, taking on the likeness of men. And when He had come as a man in His external form, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death—even to death on a cross. "

"existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God as something to be used for His own advantage." The Word did not consider himself equal to his Father, other than being a spirit, and capable of creating things that he was assisted by his Father's active force to accomplish. That's a far cry from the Trinity Doctrine that tries to ROB Christ of his honor, and so also dishonors Yahweh with their LIE.

John 14:28 "You have heard Me tell you, 'I am going away and I am coming to you.' If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced that I am going to the Father, because the Father is greater than I. "

Was Christ going to himself? Was he greater than himself? Why rejoice that he was going to the Father, if indeed he was already the Father. It simply does not wash, because it is not Truth.

Proverbs 8:22-26 " The LORD made me at the beginning of His creation, before His works of long ago. I was formed before ancient times from the beginning, before the earth began. I was brought forth when there were no watery depths and no springs filled with water. I was brought forth before the mountains and hills were established, before He made the land, the fields, or the first soil on earth. I was there when He established the heavens, when He laid out the horizon on the surface of the ocean, when He placed the skies above, when the fountains of the ocean gushed forth, when He set a limit for the sea so that the waters would not violate His command, when He laid out the foundations of the earth. I was a skilled craftsman beside Him. I was His delight every day, always rejoicing before Him. I was rejoicing in His inhabited world, delighting in the human race. And now, [my] sons, listen to me; those who keep my ways are happy. Listen to instruction and be wise; don't ignore it. Anyone who listens to me is happy, watching at my doors every day, waiting by the posts of my doorway. For the one who finds me finds life and obtains favor from the LORD, but the one who sins against me harms himself; all who hate me love death."

He attributes his own works of long ago to his Fathers power. He says "listen to me" because he is in fact the LIVING WORD - CHRIST JESUS, THE SON, NOT THE FATHER.

The reason behind "us" and "them" being used is gramatical. When Elohim (plural intensive majesty pluralis) is subject, verbs pointing to the subject are treated and written in plural. Most people find this hard to believe, often refering to how stuff like gematria and gramatics is of modern origin, but the truth is, the more modern a language is, the simpler and "more primitive" the gramatics are. Hebrew is a rather modern language, but still an ancient one, and still carries much of the old rules with kasi and plural, dual and singular forms, masculinum, femininum and neutrum genders etc. In comparison, English has no kasi, no genders and a very simplistic plural use. Period.

However, with Elohim being plural intensive form, it reflects a bloodline like kings and queens. Often a king or a queen refers to themselves in plural forms, like in England where the queen often says "we", "us" and such, since she talks on behalf of her government, and sometimes the whole nation, or even her branch of the British royal families. Period. How about looking it up before stating this and that. It's plausible that Elohim is plural in that he is fronting a government type institution, or that Elohim, meaning Forces (- of nature/the universe), simply cannot be singular, since there is not one, but many forces going holding the universe in place. Gravity, magnetism, rotation, kinetic etc. Period.

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Forgot to add that also pronouns reflect plural forms when the subject is plural.

Originally posted by Neo Christian Mystic
The reason behind "us" and "them" being used is gramatical. When Elohim (plural intensive majesty pluralis) is subject, verbs pointing to the subject are treated and written in plural.

What I meant was that when the Subject is plural intensive the verbs are written in singular. Sorry for the mix-up.... Like in the very first sentance where Elohim ("Forces", noun, subject, plural intensive) Bara ("Created", verb, singular). In short, Elohim, though plural, is reflected as One as seen in the verb following it (Bara -- Created).

Hi, to help out, the word God is plural, of Alah so Alahayam.

Alah is...the object to respond to, a supreme one

so the plural is supreme ones
This is not God, but the angels. The word us is also not in there. For the actual Hebrew
Check page 11 on the book "the chronicle" at www.thechronicleproject.org...

v.26 And so to declare the supreme ones,"Therefore, to make man, inside to copy, therefore being, this to resemble therefore being.

The word "us" is only inferred

That is why it is plural
This therefore hold no proof of the trinity

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Elohim, plural intensive of the Hebrew word Eloah, and Arabic Allah, is plural since there was not one single thing which created this universe, but a bunch of things happening in symphony/polyphony in the unique power of the Elohim/Allah -- The One Supreme Being Controlling the Forces of the Universe. He can make things fall upwards and make halfbreeds walk on water and turn water into wine.

Jahveh is the One Supreme who allows Adam to take control of his biological destiny and make it so that the Day Man can beat his Nemesis who si a serpentous god who gave Man a challenge some six thousand years ago, and serve himself as a real challenge. Read the Apocalypse as history, and you'll figure out that there are but a few things left to happen. Soon, after a great war, we will start building the New Jerusalem in zero gravity using the moon as building material. Where will the blind dragon be then? Don't you think he is in on it? Honestly. Would God create someone, and make him his firstborn, and then leave him? Or kill him? Like Jeshua walked on the frozen lake, thus will the Dragon will tackle the Hell-Sea of Fire. Nothing can kill Satan, just admit it. He is probably the Lamb's best friend, just like Judas Iscariot was Jeshua's best friend back then.

After living in my world for quite a while and having witnessed impossible things happening showing me how we are but young immature gods whose science are far from complete and far from competing with our creators' wisdom and knowledge. The gods or the aliens are way beyond ourselves, but the next couple of centuries we will learn to know eachother, and there will come a computer which makes it possible to download data from the future, and we will have a living computer whose life exists in quantum hyperspace, inbetween time and the liear dimentions. We will then learn how this God person is our collective intentions. Therefore we must all agree on certain basic rules for life and our kind's mandate where God is the personalised forces governing space-time or any given universal continuume. Computers will be simpler and smaller, with very little other than playback capability on the user end, computers will become like remote controls, where files are created on remote super computers and saved to our given domains. No more use for those semi-powerful PC's, we'll have small i-pad-type thingies, our TVsets, phones, brazelets, basically screens with touch capabilities. I see myself working with a full size paste-up table where the table itself is a touchscreen, using certain tools reminding me of where I once started, straightedges, compasses, markers, pinching and smudge tools etc.

Like I have explained in another thread posted not long ago, I postulate that Mount Zion is the Fundament of Science, that Science is our link with the gods, and the very language these universes are built around, like visions of reality, strangled into what we people call reality. If you know the secrets of how the universes are created and how it is an ongoing process where it can become impossible to die or get seriously hurt, unless you yourself wants it, perhaps in order to be excuised by the gods for something you did, or didnot. Every thought and movement creates a new quantum universe, and there are zillions of versions of youtrself. And eventually anything and everything has been done, even before anything at all has happened.

God is like a tool and a primal attraction to Man. The Primal Attraction that leads intelligence and challenges met by evaluating the essence of humanity and creating a set of rules or guidestones for human life. We're no longer identical to God, Adam made God "split" his created human counterpart in two. When Adam was with Lilith, Lilith desired to dominate Adam, something Adam refused, and Lilith in her turn was condemned to a life where she would see nearly all her children with Adam die as a result of Adam's lack of love for the peoples he made with Lilith. So Adam went to Jahveh and more or less forced him to make himself the only, masculine dominating power in a relationship where he also forced God to create a strictly female counterpart. Probably inspired by the animal kingdom, Adam made himself dependent on his desired counterpart, female -- Eve/Sjevah by whishes to his creator, who will soon return to his creation, after we have made the New Jerusalem working on drawings and aplications which will not be developed for another two or three thousand years. We will simply download directions and working applications from the future, allowing us to create perfect things in puffs of logic. Harnessing the "energy" from such a computer can allow yourselves to become self created.

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.... You know of the Sun, wise are we ... I am glad to see you ...God Bless You..

I can help you cut the chase.God is you and you are God.
Man makes the rule, you are the exception.That is of course you are God.
If you are no God ,then this makes you some unbeliever in such case your the God of the the unbelievers.In any case still makes you the God.
This is how you make a God.
First- come up with creation.
Second- come up with the first man, then woman.
Third- give them rules.Then punish all who break your rules.simple?
If men really had faith in Gods retribution,there would be no prisons or jails.Why? Cause God will punish you with hell.This is not the case,while men will kill you over God not" one" will trust him to bring justice for your sin.

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The first creation myth in Genesis/Beresjit, belongs to a certain branch of Jews belonging to the tribe and kingdom of Judah, who wrote down a short-version of the Babylonian tale of Enuma Elish written several centuries before the Genesis account. The second creation myth found in Genesis 2 onward is attributed to another group of Jews within the kingdom of Israel (contrary to Judah), and bears much resemblance with the Epic of Gilgamesh and other pre-Babylonian Mesopotamian or Sumerian tales. The stories we know from Genesis, like the Flood-story and the tower of Babel, have their origin outside Israel-Judah and were known to the first people we know to ever write down anything, the Sumerians, and is not of Jewish origin, but Genesis/Beresjit has been gathered as a compendium of what was the leading scientific schools and acknowledgements of the time when they were written down.

You can see the same development with a religion like the Norse Åsatru compared to the Genesis account. The god/æs Heimdall begat three sons which all humans in the world is related to. One of them black whose name is Trell and two others called Karl (farmer) and Jarl (noble). Heimdall guarded the rainbow-bridge Bifrost, and stood between the gods and the humans. The Norse Heimdall stories, are obviously the same stories as the story of Noah in the Book of Genesis. These ancient stories exist all over the world with only minor differencies. They all follow the same patterns. All over the world we find flood myths for instance. And in the ancient Veda scriptures, written in Sanskrit, we learn about how there were civilisations of humanoids hundreds of thousands of years before today, and the writers discribe flyingmachines looking like and acting like modern airplanes, and they explain weapons which can destoy whole cities in an instant emitting light whiter than the Sun and leave the ground and waters contaminated for generations on. Nuclear bombs?

Well, we like to believe that we are much more smarter than the average stoneage man. The fact is, that the stoneage man was exactly as intelligent and ingenuitive, creative and so on, as we are today. In average the stoneage family used just about three hours of the day to gather and hunt down food for the day's consume, and make repears and such to whatever they owned. Life in the Stone Age was much easier and less stressing than today's 37.5 hrs weeks.

Also. Homo Sapiens Sapiens is black skinned in it's original shape. The reason why we have humans with pale skin, blonde hair and blue or green eyes, is because we mixed with Neanderthals as soon as we left Africa. All humans outside Africa carry certain distinct Neanderthal genes. Some of these genes control blonde hair and a light skin tone, blue eyes and we grew taller and stronger. Had Hitler known that, we might never have seen WW2....

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God has a multiple personality disorder... and I believe he was creating another one and discussing it with his other persona's.



Multiple Selves
I wrote this a while ago...perhaps it is way out there...but so is so much in life anyway.

Originally posted by wayaboveitall
Interesting question re Pluralities. Satan says 'My name is legion for we are many', and satan was an angel apparently, maybe god/s are the same?

You have to understand the definition of satan as in meaning, it's not a guy named satan.
There is no one satan, satan means adversary, it's just that. It has been indoctrinated that there is this entity named satan. There are two sides that fight ? and each are adversaries ? now what side are you going to chose ?
You see the definition of satan now ? One side is tricky and one side is more direct. How do you know you picked the good side ? You can't know, how do you know the dark side is not better that light ?
Or perhaps it's just a game, or maybe we are in the middle of it all, humanity as a show on tv. Pick up your right arm and slap your left to play with your self. I chose the darker side not becouse light does not have it's gifts, but there is too much of it, a little bit of innocence is not bad. You do know that when you are innocent you are in the dark ? don't you ? the I don't know = dark. Not so bad. Not everything is bad, you can use light to burn your self and you can hide in the dark and do bad deeds. It's up to us what we do with these gifts.
Jesus went into the dark, was light, then dark. Come to think of it it's the same coin. Just that those that pretend they are the light are wolves hid in the dark. Then comes the supreme power above anything else, where it';s dark, you can't see it. God in reallity, the force is dark and white on TV, to pose nice. Say thanks if the dark
will set in, we will finaly leave wars behind, start working better, more honest. If it happens, if it does not ohh well.

Above this that some know it, there are of course other factors like alien engeniering.
Satanism and Christianity is the same thing.
In the begining we were more like monkeys, like in africa, more on the dark side, black.(god's creation) the monkey. Then they came along and showed us some things. Then along the way some people hid it from us and religions poped up one after another, I would state that the higher power is darker than you imagine it. Then light hits us like a fiction.

let me explain this based on what i know.

In kabbalah, there are 5 basic worlds.

Adam Kadmon
Atzilut
Breiah
Yetzirah
Assiyah

Each describes a spiritual reality that is necessry to the gradual revelation of material reality. Each successive stage acts as a 'screen' between a higher reality and a lower one.

The highest world is the will and perfect thoguht of G-d. In the primordial man (Adam Kadom) Reality is complete, it just has to be revealed. In the next level, Atzilut, a further constriction of light occurs, as a constriction occurs between Ain Sof and Adam Kadmon (universal man - we could relate this level to the 'collective' human unconscious, though, it is still much lower, the level of malkhut of Arich Anpin to the higher level atik Yomin). Atzilut is the Pre world, what we could call the 'subconscious' which oranizes and conceptualizes before though has actually occured. This is an atonymous process we take for granted. Beneath this is the world of 'thought', and beneath this the world of 'forms' of spirit or one coudl say emotion. And finally beneath this theres the physical world and its spiritual aspects.

Now, each stage, each level, brings somrthing unique into the world. The higher stage is more closer to G-d and therefore less understood by us, whereas the lower the light becomes the more it become apprehensible by man. Thus, when you finally reach this world, it crystalizes and takes on physicality, as opposed to an abstraction. Each level is called metaphorically a 'angel', a force, a power which transmits information, or a reality, from one level to another. Each of these levels when broken off from its progenitor becomes "separated' in a relative sense from G-d. Thus, each of these forces along with the creator, Elohim, is called 'we', which is really just the addition of the Nun/Vav in Hebrew.




This is the 10 sefirot, which in trun correspond to the 5 macrocosmic levels as follow


Keter = Adam Kadmon
Hokmah - atzilut
Binah - Breiah
6 sefirot from Chesed tob Yesod = Yetzirah (emotional qualities)
and Malkhut, kingdom, is assiah, action. The 'revealed' world.

Thus, these 5 levels of reality are mirrored in mans spiritual and physical constitution. Each one contributes with Elohim (which is plural, but also has the idiosyncratic connotation of singular) to create 'man'.

Thats how this is explained.

As for teh correspondence. this image doesnt do it very well.

the skull is Keter, the right brain Hokmah, and the left brain Binah (but it also relates to the heart. As thought inserts itself into the emotions which develop from it, so the left brain and heart, which is aligned to left, are related)
the 6 emotions constitue the body. Chsed right arm, Gevurah left arm, tiferet torso, Netach - right leg, Hod - left leg, yesod, Phallus

And malkhut which recieves from above and which actually reveals itself, is the mouth - which has the power to reveal its inner reality to the outside.

Thus, you see how this line is completely true, and how profoundly deep the Torah is.

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Kabalah is just one way of understanding it, or for haps better put recciving it in a strange way to the other side.
Because not all is understandable, it has it's limits as enlighten as you might think you are, wisdom is higher and you can reach higher levels by earning it. It's a reward, while understanding is enligtment, you are limited in enlightment, not all is revealed. You think you know it all but you don't. It's special to reccive and not to understand it. It just works, if we would understand it, the enlightnen class would know it all, but they don't.

The children of the sun have done something wrong, soon the children of the dark will be here to make justice.
Life is intresting even if you are in hell.

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All wisdom and knowledge culiminates in the state of knowing nothing at all. Everything is emptiness, so says Solomon in his Lamentations.

Originally posted by Neo Christian Mystic
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All wisdom and knowledge culiminates in the state of knowing nothing at all. Everything is emptiness, so says Solomon in his Lamentations.

No, on the contrary, to the other side there is substance. The dark side is full of substance inside.
You are dark inside until you open up, once you do you are not, it's special to be and earning you the knowlege by reward will make you know and also be. You see it's special to be, not to be hollow on the inside. Wisdom is just that, the other way of learning things by not opening up. It is given to you without enlightment.
The enlighten class can never reach there anyway. Enligtment is just a low level understanding of how things evolve around the sun but not upper. It's why "WHITE MAN CAN'T JUMP" movie, relax I'm not racist , I'm white anyway, half of me.

It would seam you want to head the other way around where you get brain washed. It's not a very good idea.



There are some thing that you just can't shed light on.
I understand the concept, it's like pressure in water, the lower you go the higher the pressure is in the water.
The universe is dark even if light sheds light, if there is no objects in direct path to the sun things just remain dark. The sun needs something in front of it, otherwise it's dark. If you were dark as the universe the sun would not light you up. It was made for the cover to remain there, there is a limit where light can reach.

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There is no eh NO Dark Side! Resources show that Love equals power and love will gain any power

Originally posted by Neo Christian Mystic
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All wisdom and knowledge culiminates in the state of knowing nothing at all. Everything is emptiness, so says Solomon in his Lamentations.

I figured you would like lamentations, give how misintepreted it can be.

The sages of the talmud described how the Great men of the assembly were vacillating on whether they should include the book of lamentations or not, because of well, its very gnostic tone. But, they decided to include based on one premise. The book starts and ends with explicit words of Torah.

Solomon was describing the HUMAN experience, which, is very much like what the perennial philosophers speak of. This world is hevel, vanity. But, he said, eat, enjoy yourself, and follow the words of torah. Thats the way to live a long and fruitful life. and slomon knew what he was talking about, He had been stricken with insanity and gone through some serious ordeals in his life...