The Tea Party Is Over - The conspiracy to kill a grass roots political movement

reply to post by Fractured.Facade


Haha and I thought I was a cynic. That takes the cake.
I have to agree that the course you layed is by and large the most likely one, however I do not think it is the only one. If we can continue an open sharing of information then we should be eventually be able to change things for the better. Of course, worldwide internet censorship is already coming down the pipeline...

reply to post by kinda kurious



Is that last picture which reads "Obama half-breed muslin" real (not just someone making fun of the hillbilly idiots)? And, if the answer is yes, what in the world is a half-breed 'muslin'?

Originally posted by time91
reply to post by Fractured.Facade

 

If we can continue an open sharing of information then we should be eventually be able to change things for the better.

Millions of Americans voted for change in the last election.

I suppose we can (yes we can) try again in the next.

I pretty much agree with your OP Skeptic. I think back to some of the machinations that I read about in the Reform Party back in the late nineties. After the Jesse Ventura win in MN, and it's connection to Perot who had two respectable national showings, the Reform party had some real headwind. It was, I heard, sabotaged from within by both former members of both main parties.

I do believe you're pretty much spot on in all your analysis. Five issues I'd like to see any new movement incorporate that I think would put us on a better path than we are now.

1) TERM LIMITS would be a good place to start make the bastards leave.

2) Fiscal sanity. Keyensian economics is like communism, it might work in a perfect world, but not this one.

3) Trade policy that benefits the US worker. Tariffs are a consitutionaly apropriate way to protect US interests from slave labor, currency manipulators, etc... Any trade agreement (ie. TREATY) should have to be ratified by 3/4 of the Senate.

4) Rational solution to the immigration problem.Somewhere between kick their asses out and give them all amnesty lies a solution that will not please everyone but both adequately punishes those currently here illegally and allows path towards legal citizenship.

5) Accountability" it's quite obvious to anyone with more than a handful of firing nurons that our countries bases of power are hopelessly bloated and corrupt: Washington, Wall Street, Huge Corporations, and the Media have run roughsod over the American People for to long. Restraining the power that any of these have will lead to a more free and prosperous US.

The Tea Parties seemed like a good thing at first,

then it got silly..and just plain idiotic. A bunch of morons who thought they were trying to make a difference about making up lies about Their president.

As for protesting the senseless spending by the administration, where the hell were they when Bush was president? Oh yeah right by his side rooting him on through the television.

Sad people these "teabaggers" are. And you would think they'd get a new name

I've watched the TEA party movement evolve from Beck's 9/12 group...remember them? When everyone was fawning over Glenn and he stepped aside to let whoever take over and revive the Taxed Enough Already movement.

Then they (the TEA party/9/12 folks) started campaigning for office...but the weird thing about it was this; while denouncing the democrats as too liberal and the republicans not conservative enough they ran under the...ready for it...republican banner. I've asked this question a handful of times but never got an answer. If these TEA party-9/12 people were so 'seperate' from the other two parties, why bother running under that banner?

Now, I'm not terribly certain it's so much of a conspiracy to derail a 'grassroots' movement as much as it is an inability to establish themselves as something other than (R) or (D). I asked in another post about what you 'independents' do when it comes time to vote, recieved no reply. Short of it was this: When you're at the ballot box are you going to 'waste' your vote on a third party or are you going to vote for the person who has a better chance of winning?

What they should've done a year ago was started a TEA party instead of this BS 9/12 candidate mumbo-jumbo...go ahead, find out who's a 9/12 candidate in your state, how much do you want to bet they'll be running as a republican?

My only explanation is money, they want the Grand Old Party's financial backing. You can't establish a true 'grassroots' movement if you're using that old money, look at Ron Paul; 'Oh, well links, he made the most money online in a single day blah blah blah'...but he's still a Republican, sure he ran that third party presidential race BUT he's an (R) right now.

Before I go on repeating myself I offer my further questions here from the Are You "Right-Wing Fringe", or "Left-Wing Fringe" and How Will They Push You thread.

Wow you guys are really into this politics thing, heres an idea if your sick of this two party system and are to lazy to make a third party why dont you infiltrate the two partys and make it into the third party, it will save on a boatload of paperwork and it would be a lot easier since you wont have to get you own resources. But this will only work if you actually have concrete differences. Or alse it will be assimilated  into the curent system. Good luck having differences were lots of money is involved.

I don't know... seems to me that the Tea Party movement shot itself in the foot... not literally, even though they could have seeing as how they have a penchant for showing up at rallies packing heat carrying signs threatening their use. They had several legitimate beefs with the status quo, but they came off as bat-scat crazy.

As for whether Hannity's remark was sarcasm is kind of immaterial considering when he called them Tim McVeigh wannabes, the crowd cheered in approval.

So like I said... bat scat.

I agree the TP is done. To be honest i dont want any party holding all the seats like dems did sry, but i don't believe republicans or dems have the self control focus and constitutional awareness to have a majority of anything.

Pass The audit the fed bill then we can consider thinking about out.

reply to post by links234


Tea parties never started with beck, Thats when you noticed them.

The tea parties started with ron paul and end the fed bull horning and Alex Jones as a side kick.

Glen beck never covered this stuff when he wasn't on fox.
Hell he mocked Ron paul, then the economy crashed and now glen beck is some sort of authority ? plz. He does not believe what he says.

Think about 9/12 what happens on 912? we lsot our mind going into stupid wars selling our liberties for security, which left us with a little more tyranny 912 is exactly what people don't want.

To be honest im tired of tsa providing security for a private industry on our dime. Im tired of being felt up because i want to travel on an airplane.
Im sick of border check points that are not on the border,but if you want to find an illegal we ALL know where to find them, accept for ICE.

We are sick of trading our liberty and dignity for security from terrorists wile creating tyrants right here in our own government.

Beck is there to divert the independents and the people who jump off obama's train into the republican 912 attitude got it?

Thank you, S-Overlord for your post. It succinctly defines what many are coming to realize. I can only add, however, that although the Tea Party is 'done', it still offers fertile ground for a grassroots awakening. The phenomena of everyday folks engaging in self-actualized protest has been ignited and wont easily go away - infowarboulder.wordpress.com... "The most intense ideological struggle is within the revolutionary party, itself."

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i dont care what the thread or the petty argument when you scare your own when you have had enough when you talk to yourself when you hit things that cant hit back when your poor when you cant pay this or that what does it matter talk talk talk talk talk all you want stfu are you really right are you really right ask yourself really ask yourself who is toooooooooooooooooo blame US US YOU ME ALL OF US

reply to that argue with that

drink a beer settle down lets go to work and do something stop

reply to post by links234

while denouncing the democrats as too liberal and the republicans not conservative enough they ran under the.

Thanks for at least admitting the real truth about the Tea Baggers movement.

They aren't middle of the road, and they never intended to be. They are a fringe group even more right wing than GW and his pals.

I think they represent a very vocal, but very extreme right wing ideology that does not connect with the vast number of independents who would like to see the best of the two parties combined.

We need a real tax cut, which mainly cuts taxes for people making between 40k and 150k, along with a real budget cut that gets rid of the pork.

Cutting income taxes for the rich, and then raising all the fees that small businesses have to pay for government regulation isn't a tax cut, it is a transfer of wealth from small businesses to the rich corporations.

Government regulation of business should be streamlined, and user friendly. We need more laws to protect businesses from abusive regulators, because most of the abuse comes at the local levels. People who work for government are public servants, and this needs to be re-established.

It is important to stand up for minority rights and immigrants, but not at the point where active discrimination at the group defined as the majority is encouraged.
It is time to put equal rights back into family law, which means protecting the rights of fathers as well as mothers, and time to scale back the courts use of the concept of "what is best for the child", which is being used to go a great many things that are bad for the child.

Time to pull back on the safety laws. Making an honest mistake should not be a crime. People who get a ticket every once in a while should not have to surrender property, nor should they ever be jailed for what very likely could be an honest mistake.

Power lines, phones lines, air waves, mineral rights, water rights, access rights, and all public assets should be controlled by the government, and to prevent monopolistic control.

Investment activities that are essentially gambling on the stock market should be taxed like gambling.


Time to start throwing all the white collar criminals in jail.

time to end the war on drugs.

Time to restart spending on our infrastructure here in the U.S., maybe even time to rethink our nations transportation infrastructure.

If we don't have money to fix our own infrastructure, then we don't have money to spend overseas.

Time to reign in immigration. We need tighter limits, and employers of illegals should be looking at massive fines and jail time.

These are the things I think most people in the middle would support.

While the party extremists at both ends are completely against these types of ideas. It would take away their power and control.

reply to post by poet1b


Didn't we used to disagree on most things? Or am I thinking of someone else? In any case. I agree completely with your post.

And sadly, some of the posts in this thread and the direction it has taken is EXACTLY why a grassroots movement won't work in this day. Even people who agree on basics INSIST on arguing, fighting and bickering over things - even when they agree! It's a sad but revealing statement about our society today... :shk:

reply to post by poet1b


"the vast number of independents who would like to see the best of the two parties combined. "

That's who I thought I was joining up with when I bought into the Tea Party rhetoric of years ago.
I was quickly disappointed.

There never was a magic potion!
It was just plain water!
The real magic was in YOU the entire time!!

Who needs a tea party anymore? In fact, forget parties altogether. We now understand our collective worth. We now know our strengths and we know how to respect each others individual freedoms again. We belong to no party, and they need to stop trying to paint us red or blue.

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reply to post by patmac


I think the best thing people could do right now is to disassociate with political parties. Revoke your registration of ALL parties, even Independent. The system puts us in the box depending on what letter is by our name. If it's a D, they count on that vote. The best thing we could do is let them know that they CAN'T count on our vote. They have to do a good job to get our vote.

Become a member of NO party.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic


Become a member of NO party.

Oh, that is very, very good.

It's a shame I can only give that post one star.