The Tea Party Is Over - The conspiracy to kill a grass roots political movement

Neither socialism or fascism is to the RIGHT.

They are both to the LEFT.

When people speak about left and right, do you even know what you are saying?

Dems-Socialist control.
Repubs-Fascist control.


Here is an easy thing for you people to remember-

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You are talking about the FALSE left/right paradigm.

There is people that want freedom and there are those that want CONTROL.

The Dems and the Repubs both want CONTROL.

The Dems want social control and the Repubs want economic control and they both want CONTROL of the world. Do you not understand this?

Libertarian social and Libertarian economic ideals are the only way we are going to get out from under the boots of both parties.

Wake up my fellow Americans, before your freedoms are taken completely by both parties.

I'm no great thinker. I can only fulfill the one patriotic duty allowed me by my country.
I earnestly try to be an informed voter.

I feel reviled by one party and deceived by the other. It seems that I disgust the right and frighten the left. I've been branded.
While conceding my lack of proof, I remain convinced that references to "agent provocateurs", media complicity, and the CAP agreement ( rumour or no ) led to my experience on a progressive site( albeit a politically correct Canadian one). I'd be surprised that my banning( not warning ) resulted from some snarky T&C violation amidst all those strident cries for the death of the rebellious. Alas, I'm shunned by a bastion of free thought.

I gravitated toward the Tea Party long ago, enamoured by talk of liberty and justice for all. I watched as new leaders arose, heading factions often splintered by just one intractable stance, like culling sheep from the herd. Too soon, I was asked to vote against my own self-interest for the greater good.

Lately I find myself hoping these factions might coalesce. Myself and others relenting just a bit to address a problem greater than our own. Then I balk. I can't overcome the fear of sacrificing myself to some well-spoken closet theocrat.

As for me, I mourn the death of my own Tea Party.

reply to post by Sestias

I have personally been open to the possibility of aligning with a third party, but so far have not found one. I could be a libertarian, in that I'm in favor of their stance on individual freedoms, but they are, alas, also laissez faire capitalists, which would leave our government still in the hands of the multi-nationals and other corporate behemoths. I also would like to avoid paying taxes and escape the individual mandate in the health care bill, but I am not convinced that this country could really run without tax revenues.

I hear ya, this is essentially where I am at. The democrats have evolved into a strange party that seems to suppress rights all the way round, but at least they are willing to police white collar crime. The republicans are only interested in suppressing individual rights, while allowing corporations to run wild.

Both parties only represent special interests these days. There are some differences, but they are small. Personally I think the democrats in general are a lot more extreme left than people realize. It is just that the two parties are so extreme, they are similar because they meet on the other side of the circle.

I think SkepticOverlord is right, it would take a very charismatic leader to create a middle ground third party that aims to represent the middle class, and a majority of Americans for a change.

It was Jackson for the democrats, and Lincoln for the Republicans. We would need someone like a politically astute George Clooney or Julia Roberts.

reply to post by endisnighe


What a bunch of nonsense, the right is aristocracy and is complete and total fascism, the left is anarchy and tribalism.

Some right wing think tank put out that nonsense.

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
Fell free to use the name previously dreamed up in the thread -- R.O.A.R. - Reform Our American Republic. Take it if you like it... or not, there may certainly be something better (though that's pretty damn good

).

I agree, it's good. Hopefully something can become of this. And as soon as two party system Borg come to assimilate the movement, they should be driven away in no uncertain terms. The tea baggers had no structure, they love that dimwit Palin, who just recently came here to AZ to stump for McCain, who is running AGAINST the 'tea party' candidate. So, which is it? I suspect it doesn't even matter, the GOP absorbed the tea baggers, and last I read, Twit Romney was giving them marching orders.

We can move forward, or we can move back.

Any attempt to move in any other direction will be a futile waste of time.

Forward to a corrupt progressive, Orwellian society?

Back to a corrupt Bush era of moderate conservatism?

Back further to a Reagan era of stricter conservatism?

The center is not an option.

reply to post by Fractured.Facade


I strongly disagree. While I do believe time is cyclical, and history repeats itself every time has its own unique characteristics. Likewise every system has its own traits. We will always try to relate one thing to another but no two systems or times are identical. So moving 'backward' is nonsensical really, because almost every system has been done before. No matter what happens, we are moving forward.
Also the options you listed aren't the only ones available. We could drift into socialism, fascism, or some form of totalitarianism or we can get involved and force TPTB to allow a more open society. We can resist all control and make the future better than the past. It will be incredibly difficult to go libertarian/constitutionalist; but it would be apathetic and inexcusable to allow this country to continue down the path to a society of control.
We need everyone to be a leader for their own freedom, because movements are easy to hijack and usually half of the people in them don't really know what they want.

I am a 9/11 truther who go into the Tea Party movement after 4/15/2009. I held my own Rally on July 4th 2009 and had a good turn out. However a few things rubbed me raw. First I had to get a permit to assemble, the I had to pay out of my own pocket for off duty police to provide security.

At the Rally I spoke about government corruption and talked about what we could do to get the Government back under the control of the people.

Most there were arm chair patriots and Glenn Beck Fools with little real education on how Government really works. I compaired the current Adminastration to Adolf Hitler's and to my suprise got negative response and people started to leave.

As some were walking away I told the remaining people that we are all products of our enviroment and most only know what they are taught.

Well even more didn;t like that bit so I closed up the rally by reading the Bill of rights and asked what are you willing to do to defend them?

Some yelled out Sign petitions others said protest.

Several months later I went to another patriot meeting and they were all busy gettind petetions ready to have signed. I couldn't resist to asked how many other petitions had the done. Their coordinotors response was arround 15 completed and submited. I then asked if any had worked and her response was " No ".

I asked the group if they knew what the definition of Insanity was?

My response was; Albert Einstein once said "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results".

I then asked if they were all Insane ...

Since then it seems the Tea Party movemnet has been Hijacked my the Republicans as a way to return to power.

Thus in my Opinion the Tea Party Movement is dead!

Time for plan B

www.gotfr.org...

reply to post by time91


You have only two hands, a left and a right.

Those are the only two relevant directions this nation can go.

We are limited to two... Left or right, republican or democrat, liberal or conservative. There are are variants of severity within these two directions but little room for movement, everything else is semantics.

That is an inescapable reality.

The best we Americans can reach for is a balance of power within the branches of government.

You're all dreaming if you believe you can change this system, or break free of the stranglehold these two parties have on our government.

Originally posted by Fractured.Facade
reply to post by time91

 

You have only two hands, a left and a right.

Those are the only two relevant directions this nation can go.

We are limited to two... Left or right, republican or democrat, liberal or conservative. There are are variants of severity within these two directions but little room for movement, everything else is semantics.

That is an inescapable reality.

The best we Americans can reach for is a balance of power within the branches of government.

You're all dreaming if you believe you can change this system, or break free of the stranglehold these two parties have on our government.

It's this venomous polarization of thought that has led us into this position.

I think something the poster above you that wasn't directed at you can be for this post; Albert Einstein said the definition of insanity was the repetition of the same act expecting different results.

You're the one still dreaming, believing the current system can be repaired from within. It can't be and it won't allow itself to be. But I bet if you try REAAAALLLLLY hard next time, it will! More than likely it won't, in fact I can tell you as if I was clairvoyant that it won't, but you can stay in your imaginative world where there is only left or right in everything.

Originally posted by SpectreDC
.. but you can stay in your imaginative world where there is only left or right in everything.

Not imaginative and certainly not everything.

But in American politics and government there are solid boundaries that are unbreakable, left (liberal/democrat), right (conservative/republican)

Try to change it, I dare you.

reply to post by Fractured.Facade


Politics and history are not directly related to the human body. Just because I only have two hands doesn't mean the country can only go in two directions. Using this analogy is nonsensical.
Every candidate is a slightly different direction even if they are 99% the same. Third parties have won in the past, and then they have become one of the 2 parties.
So saying you can't break free from the system or change it and all that is just defeatist and sounds depressing. This mentality ensures that you will never change anything. It is like sitting on the couch saying "I'm going to sit here all day, there is nothing that will change that", and then at the end of the day saying "I told ya so".

reply to post by time91


We currently have a left (liberal/democrat) majority in government and they have gone about as far left as is possible.

In history when there has been a right (conservative/republican) majority in power they pull the nation in that direction.

That is why a balance of power between parties is essential and may be our only hope.

While some individual politicians may have more centrist public images, when behind closed doors in government they are always pushed to comply with their party's objectives and agendas, or they can switch to the other party.

Thinking it is possible to break out of this two party system is pure fantasy.

reply to post by Fractured.Facade


So I must have taken too much acid in the past decade and Bush didn't massively increase the size of government. Neither did his father or Reagan for that matter.

I think whats even cuter is that you honestly don't believe BOTH parties only answer to ONE entity, that being their corporate backers.

You're enchanted in following and accepting a false left-right paradigm, that the very people who you believe embody it don't even follow and only masquerade to continue keep the country constantly divided. That's certainly not your fault, but forgive me if I disagree with your entire perspective considering it's been manipulated.

"That is why a balance of power between parties is essential and may be our only hope."

I refuse to believe that two parties whose leaders are war mongering, corrupt, incompetent, and who each enact laws and move the country away from freedom and towards more control are the only options we have. Not to mention they both bend over for the bankers.
They both come together for certain things (see above). Everything else is just theatrics to score political points and keep the public entertained.
Is a 'balance of power' between these two horrible parties really 'our only hope'. So I guess sustained worldwide military expansion combined with corruption, poor monetary policy leading to a deficit spiraling out of control, and a breakdown of our system which justifies an expanding federal government is what we aspire to now? Really?

Thinking it is possible to break out of this two party system is pure fantasy.

So you think there are not a lot of upset people out there after Bush and Obama? Now is the time for a third party, if there ever was one.


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reply to post by SpectreDC


Of course special interests, lobbyists and most importantly major campaign and party contributors control BOTH parties in many ways.

I wasn't discussing corruption in government, that is a whole other topic all together.

Yes the expansion of government has happened under both parties... Each have pushed through corrupt legislation and laws over the decades with loads of earmarks and pet projects etc. again, another topic.

At the end of every future election cycle you will see an R or a D in front of every winning candidate. Blue or Red? Left or Right? Republican or Democrat? Jackass or Elephant?

No matter how you look at it, there is always going to be only two choices (that can possibly win).

Democracy is an illusion and an evil trick.

Originally posted by time91
So you think there are not a lot of upset people out there after Bush and Obama? Now is the time for a third party, if there ever was one.

Not enough for that to happen now or ever.

The media and the government will not allow any success for a third party.

At best a 3rd party movement may be able to get 5% of the votes, even in these times.

Just trying to keep it real here.

"ROAR" on, I wish you all the best.

reply to post by Fractured.Facade


I wasn't the one who posted anything about ROAR. Care to respond to the rest of my post?

Originally posted by time91
reply to post by Fractured.Facade

 

Care to respond to the rest of my post?

Sure...

I refuse to believe that two parties whose leaders are war mongering, corrupt, incompetent, and who each enact laws and move the country away from freedom and towards more control are the only options we have. Not to mention they both bend over for the bankers.
They both come together for certain things (see above). Everything else is just theatrics to score political points and keep the public entertained.

No arguments with the above.

Is a 'balance of power' between these two horrible parties really 'our only hope'.

Yes.

So I guess sustained worldwide military expansion combined with corruption, poor monetary policy leading to a deficit spiraling out of control, and a breakdown of our system which justifies an expanding federal government is what we aspire to now? Really?

Something like that, only it will likely get much worse.

Hey, don't feel discouraged you can always vote, this is a democracy, your vote does count.





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Good Riddance. Cause and effect.

Reviewed numerous reports from a myriad of independent sources. (Including first hand accounts by "ATS Reporters.") IMHO what I witnessed was a rag tag bunch of angry white folks with a mob mentality. They embraced any high profile bigot leader like an addict to crack.

They offered no viable alternatives or substantive dialogue other than flag waving banter and disruption of Townhall meetings. If they failed due to infiltration by agent provocateurs, astro-turfers or subversive divide and conquerers then the ends justified the means.

A few prime examples......
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Teabags always dissolve when place in hot water.



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