We need more science fans on here. How though?

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well being that denieing ignorance is the theme of ats i retract the words stupid in favor of ignorant

I like the science threads, I suggest good content will pick up interest maybe not initially but in time...yes Im still working on it myself...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I want to bring up the point that so far no one has ridiculed or attacked me for saying anything at all. I almost feel a more mature vibe in this board haha.
But on topic now, I am currently taking intro to physics classes that give a brief outline of the many fields of physics. I feel I might be a little more advanced as I studied physics way before I started attending school for a degree and present more questions than the rest of the class but by no means consider myself gold on the teaching scale. If anybody is interested though, who also knows physics, maybe a group collaboration on an article explaining newtons law of motion and classical mechanics may be an awesome start? If a couple of us were to get together I'm sure it would take no time at all covering things like Newton's laws, gravitational pull, centripetal orbit, momentum, kinetic energy, and collisions. I can provide simple experiments that require common material that I have done in my class as a bit of fun. I personally have all my friends dying to know physics and I try to teach them all that I know and I see that people of all educational levels grasp certain concepts and can still find fun in it.

If anyone is interested please let me know. I have family who are engineers for nasa and technicians for navy who can lend a helping hand when needed but I would like it to be more of an ats member created topic. If anybody else wants to maybe contact me about a different field of science to write about I am open to everything, learn quick and read fast.
Let's make this happen.

Originally posted by seangkt
I think it is very annoying that you can ask or say anything about ufos or conspiracies and people will answer in a heartbeat but when it comes to something more realistic and factual like science not many people reply with input, an answer or anything at all.

It almost hurts knowing people care more about conspiracies and aliens (two theoretical fields that there is no real way to prove without 100% pure legit info) than science on here. It might be just me....I don't know but what can we do?

I share your thoughts on this. But keep in mind the purpose of this site, it's a commercial enterprise to foster discussion of conspiracy theories, and the Science and Technology forum seems more like a sideline to the main attraction for me.

I find it entertaining for a while to see all the conspiracy theories and conclusions people draw completely without facts, or by distorting facts as Phage's signature puts it. But eventually it gets to me and I try to find some sanity in the science and technology forum where I had hoped to find discussions more based in science fact than in fantasy. Sometimes I do, and sometimes I don't, even the science section can get a little bit frustrating since it's apparently not immune from contributions by our fellow members who like to distort or even ingore facts.

Sort of on topic here I just read an article I found highly disturbing, if it's true:
Has CSICOP Lost the 30 Years' War?

What the CSICOP pollsters must have found particularly unsettling was the fact that as the students’ educational levels increased, so did their paranormal belief levels for all fourteen subjects on which they were questioned. Dividing the students into five categories from Freshmen to Graduates, percentages of those described as Believers rose steadily from 23 percent to 26, 27, 31 and finally 34 percent for the graduates. In other words, an American college education increases paranormal belief levels by nearly 50 percent. How could this be?

I think someone just mentioned the schools don't have enough science courses now, maybe that's part of the problem. And the science ignorance problem is wider than ATS, and wider than the USA. One in 5 Americans when asked if the Earth revolves around the sun or vice-versa got the wrong answer, and in the UK the percentage was slightly higher. That's even scarier than than believers in the electric universe theory proponents as some of that science may be over some people's heads, but the idea of which body revolves around which, shouldn't really be over anybody's head.

I can think of maybe 20 outstanding contributors to the science forum off the top of my head, And I'm sure there must be more I can't think of off the top of my head but still the number seems tiny compared to the 188460 members of ATS. So sometimes it seems like a lonely battle to post about science here. I know of one science thread that went on for 9 pages before somebody exposed that the title and topic of the thread was completely false, and even that completely escaped a lot of people who posted after that, since so many people read the OP and post without bothering to read the first 9 pages. If that thread had been posted in a pure science forum it wouldn't have made it to the end of page 1 without being exposed.

So as much as I like the idea of seeing more and better science threads here, I'm not sure what the answer is. My initial thoughts are that if it's science you want, it's probably less frustrating to go to a science forum. They entertain electric universe theories there too but they are reviewed by people with on average higher education levels so you won't have to wade through as much wild speculation by people that don't even have the background to understand the evidence that supposedly supports their claims.

So while I do try to contribute to the science topics here from time to time, in general I find it less frustrating to go to a science forum for science, and come here to read about and discuss UFOs and conspiracies.

I hate to do this but I must. Some people can not and will not accept physics. Say you have a chair with 8 metal legs and a weight of 200lbs on it, each legs limit is 25lbs and you take 2 legs out AND heat the rest to a nice shade of dull red, that your not going to fall on your behined is beyond me. Steel weakens when heated beyond 300 deg C, yeah, the chair might have been designed to withstand fire OR 2 missing legs, but not both.

Back on topic, I think its all just because people don't think they are smart enough because they are not nerds (somehow we are a different race of people...like wizards), they didn't learn it in college or they don't get paid to know so its not worth knowing. The lack of intrest could be due to the fact that most sci/tech articles in ATS are things like new tech that people can not be built with "normal" power tools or things like theories that will remain like that because no one knows how to use it.

Seangkt, is there a simple way to make 99-100% pure hydrogen peroxide using electrolysis or ozone (O3)?

Also, I keep hearing about scientists being able to make one atom mimic another atoms state at a great distance, does that include energy state, spin and movment? If it does, can you transmit power like that?




The first paragraph is about the WTC, I just wanted people to have an unclouded mind without bias. Its got to the point where I won't post anything to do with 9/11.

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Let me just say that I think the real problem here is not that people want to avoid the science. Usually, on the threads I read, when someone comes in with a bit of science and explains, a lot of people thank them and appreciate their factual insight into things.

However the lack of science that you are speaking of is self-propagating in the fact that most consipracy theorists distrust major institiutions, science included.

Sometimes they are right, unfortunately. For example, science holds true and schools still teach that it is impossible for matter to travel faster than light; on the contrary, right here in california, the speed of light was broken. This doesn't make it into mainstream news because unfortunately our population as a majority may not understand even the concept of "the speed of light".

What I am actually trying to say is the stupidity/ignorance that you are seeing is actually a conspiracy at work in itself, which is the dumbing down of society.


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Hello peoples! I have a question, I asked a few people on here but they didn't know. Would anyone know why science news is usually really slow despite all the breakthroughs that constantly happen every day? I still wonder why places like science keep the same news article for 3 days when there's other things to post. Sorry for the derail, I wish more people on here liked the subject.

I am a big science fan and put up many threads based on fact in the past six months with little or no feedback, bothers me also, will participate more in the future.

Originally posted by dbloch7986
For example, science holds true and schools still teach that it is impossible for matter to travel faster than light; on the contrary, right here in california, the speed of light was broken.

Prove it.

The thread I was complaining about here made the same claim:

Originally posted by Arbitrageur
I know of one science thread that went on for 9 pages before somebody exposed that the title and topic of the thread was completely false

Scientists Make Radio Waves Travel Faster Than Light

That was the claim, that the speed of light had been broken, and the thread went on for 9 pages before someone exposed the fallacy of the claim. If you have a different claim I'd like to see it but that claim was proven false, it even said so in the article , contrary to the sensational attention-grabbing headline, but almost nobody bothered to read it or had the science background to comprehend what it was saying.

In that experiment, contrary to the claim, nothing physical traveled faster than the speed of light, not radio waves or anything else but an imaginary point in space which means nothing. I can imagine an imaginary point in space traveling at ten times the speed of light, but that doesn't mean anything traveled that fast.

I don't think it is possible to attract many science fans to this board - the majority of the members and the majority of the posts are the definition of anti-science. This website is not exactly a science board, it's a conspiracy board, therefore there are probably far better actual science boards to be found...

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you may be able to enlighten me. i love science too but doubt some of their cherished theories.

i've never believed since birth that the sun is powered by nuclear fusion. some scientific theories just ring false to me. i think its something totally different like an aerial for incoming energy. perhaps spirit to matter.

is there any evidence for the existence of black holes? its just excepted today without question and yet began years ago with a hypothesis.

and the big bang? bandied around frequently with the daily newspapers but many scientists do not support it. but even if it was true, there is no explanation as to its genesis.

your comments will be appreciated.

I'm actually a science fan but I have a technical background and often just click on recent threads to see if something looks amusing or interesting enough to click on when I do visit here. I don't usually go to the science subject field and click on those topics since I usually see those stories or even more interesting ones at other times of the day or on other sites.

Reading technical information after working all day in a technical field isn't always something I want to read about. If I saw a thread labeled "The Sky of the Earth is a glass top and the stars are fixed to it!" and another thread labeled "science tells us that the sun is an electromagnet" I will likely click on the glass top thread out of curiosity first just to see what kind of crazy theory is out now. Then I may see a thread labeled "all radio communication out in DC." and click on that next. It goes on and on. Science threads aren't always written to catch attention very well in my opinion here on ATS. I used to get one email letter that made me want to read those stories. I will try to find a link when I get my email program working again. It says I have 237 messages. Something must be wrong.

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objective individuals

ah gosh...

sorry.

ahem. i was just about to create a thread, earlier today, about how objectivity seems to be in short suit on places like this because we have the freedom to say exactly what we think, without concern that the persons we are addressing will punch us in the face, fire us from our jobs, or refuse to come to our new years eve parties......ever.again.

it strikes me as a very unfriendly place. it seems to draw the worst out of us and i don't particulary like myself at my worst. since i've been here, i've heard people say that, folks who are the same faith as me (meaning i'm supposed to apply the message of the posters to myself as well), are idiotic, low IQ, sheople, incapable of logic, reason or independent thought. who have no clue how to read, research or differentiate fact from fiction, and who should essentially be banned from life.

however, if i were to serve any of these same people in real life, in a restaurant or a hospital, they would have no problem receiving food or medical care from me. when i hooked up the pain medicine to their IVs, after a broken bone episode, they'd be thankful and think i was an angel of mercy. if i saved them money at the store, by giving them coupons from the latest newspaper, they'd be thrilled. if i delivered their mail on time and it contained a huge check from an annuity settlement, they'd be overjoyed. if i cooked a really good meal for their college graduation, they'd be pleasantly satisfied. i would not be some horrid person with no intellect. i'd be a real human being, capable of meaning more to their lives than the latest indoctrination of "religious people suck."

Originally posted by seangkt
I think it is very annoying that you can ask or say anything about ufos or conspiracies and people will answer in a heartbeat but when it comes to something more realistic and factual like science not many people reply with input, an answer or anything at all.
The more this happens I lose faith in ats and consider it to be a phase for people who rush into wanting to know about ufos and leave a month later like it's a fad and I don't enjoy that.


I personally am a fiend for science and wish that there was a way to bring more to the scientific community here on ats.
Any good ideas anybody? Maybe an interesting colab article involving a top 10 like what was done for conspiracy board? It almost hurts knowing people care more about conspiracies and aliens (two theoretical fields that there is no real way to prove without 100% pure legit info) than science on here. It might be just me....I don't know but what can we do?

Conspiracy theorizing is a science in itself. Like scientific theorizing, it is partly fact and partly theory. Theory is theory and suggesting science more credible is kind of ignorant. Factual and realistic is where you find it and certainly do not define science. The Big Bang and Evolution scientific theories are no more realistic and factual than Extraterrestrial and Governmental scandal conspiracy theories.

Some would even say that the probability of UFO's and ET's is far more realistic than the infinite, complex intricacies found in all life on Earth are said to be happening by accident according to science? Both are theories not totally provable, but to choose which one more realistic you can only pick conspiracy.

Science and conspiracy theorizing have more common bonds than anything else. Which are more fantastical are merely opinion? God particles and monkey men can be seen just as fictional as UFO's and Time Travel. Personally, scientific explanation on the construction of Egyptian pyramids is neither factual or realistic to me? Never mind the fact they fail to even try to explain other monoliths even greater around the globe? Science is forever changing and adjusting its findings wherever possible. How is it more credible than anything at all?

Not sure if anyone else would think its a good idea or not, but i just offered up a thought i have been kicking around in my head lately. It is in this thread:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I have been wondering what a format combining the forum with a blog would look? Like, at the bottom of your post window you can select to send a post to your ATS blog or something? Tie in the media center by allowing you to post video's and images in your blog, just like a thread. You could likely use the same framework that the forums use, modified slightly to allow it to be more like a running list of posts that have been "sent" to the users blog based on either his choice, or a star count thresh hold (in keeping with the "user generated content" spirit of ATS).

I have some favorite posters here, and often their work is truly authored (not just thrown together). Having a place that a poster can chronicle their work would tie in well with the ATS user, and might help promote ATS as not only a "news" site, but a site of all manner of worthy reading. And allowing users to post them to that posters blog by providing positive response via the Star system might help drive quality content as well.

And just think how it might improve the post quality here?

Given the rankings ATS gets on Google, it would stand to reason that a good set of blogs to collect the highlights of brilliance seen on ATS might be a way to attract a higher quality membership?

Would it help at all if ATS created the title 'Scientist' to go along with Writer, Fighter, etc., pour encourager les mecs? Would that inspire scientifically literate members to contribute more?

A member who showed a scientific attitude and intellectual rigour over a certain number of posts might earn such a title.

I'm not sure what the qualifications for the award would be or how to structure the process to drive more scientific posting, but I'm sure that could be discussed.

hat say you, fellow members? If you think this is a possible solution, star this post . If it gets a dozen stars, I'll propose the idea in BB&Q. Or one of you could propose it yourself, if you want to.

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I think I should have that title. Though all my independent stuff drifts off the page with no feed back.

reply to post by seangkt

If a couple of us were to get together I'm sure it would take no time at all covering things like Newton's laws, gravitational pull, centripetal orbit, momentum, kinetic energy, and collisions.

I don't think this will answer. The work has already been done for us; we needn't repeat it for ourselves. Briefings and articles on every scientific subject are available on the Web, often beautifully packaged and presented, on literally dozens of sites. I often link to some of these sites in my own posts, and so do others. The trouble is, most ATS members aren't interested in reading them.

The late lamented jkrog08 began a series of threads on astronomy, orbital mechanics, quasi-stellar bodies and so on. They got a lot of replies, but how many people actually read his posts and took the infomation on board is debatable.

In my opinion, what we need is more scientifically-informed discussion of the subjects presented on ATS, not science education for members.

Originally posted by Astyanax
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I don't think this will answer. The work has already been done for us; we needn't repeat it for ourselves. Briefings and articles on every scientific subject are available on the Web, often beautifully packaged and presented, on literally dozens of sites. I often link to some of these sites in my own posts, and so do others. The trouble is, most ATS members aren't interested in reading them.

I understand what you are saying and agree to an extent. Many academic journals, theories, and articles are written in such a way that you almost need the schooling to even understand. This is awesome for those who did go to school and get a degree in those subjects but to a not so educated, yet interested person, most of them sound like a foreign language. I believe this, and other factors of course, have intimidated or made many people feel as if they should give up the topic.

I have some friends who are interested by physics and want to read and ask me for books here and there. They return them with no new knowledge and more confused than when they started. I give them basic books about newtons laws that a good portion of people would understand and some didn't and said screw physics. I begin to think of ways they would better understand what was being said, took some articles and wrote brief 1 page explanations that they could understand a bit better and they are again interested because now they understand that little bit more.

Science scares many away, especially when math and numbers are present. If we were able to write topics explaining various interesting theories or discoveries in a way everyone could take things from we might have a chance of sparking some hidden creative minds.

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I can respect and see your point but I believe there is a huge difference between the two. The first difference being their purpose and reasons for being written. Science and scientific theories are factual and/or theoretical answers to questions about subjects beneficial to human life and our knowledge of the universe. They have been used to invent some of the most important and used technology today. They are written for worthy purposes.

Conspiracy theories, however, are more of an accusation than a theory. They are used to point fingers, question the legitimacy of the story being told, blame governments for certain events and so on. They are a different type of theory that has nothing to offer but a decent story pointing out all bad and no good at most. They will never be used to bring down a government. The people who read them agree with them and preach them and continue to fund the u.s. by living here and paying taxes even though they blame them for murders and lies.

The difference is, is that scientific theories and also science (I never said theories alone but all science factual and theoretical)actually benefit the world in too many ways to count. Conspiracy theories are just good stories that are not beneficial to society in any real way besides for entertainment.



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