Pay Attention Now Internet User!!

Originally posted by Solomons
reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984

 

Usenet is the best, could they track people using newsgroups as much as torrents,rapidshare etc? Using SSL i imagine they couldn't, not easily anyway...newsgroups are very cheap too boot, $25 for 180gb is a good deal. Off topic slightly. I personally think governments are going to bite off more than they can chew, while they can accumulate the data, using it in a precise, meaningful way will be a nightmare. I still think social sites like myspace,bebo,facebook are the biggest things people should worry about...i despise them, even moreso when people you know put up info or pics of yourself when you don't even have an account. Im paranoid

Whether they can track you depends on a number of things. It depends on how strong the encryption they are using is, whether they are storing server logs, whether they encrypt their client details (if using a paid for service). If they found individuals using usenet they would then have to prove they accessed copyrighted data and as usenet users tend to encrypt their traffic this would be difficult. The only way around that would be to use a Janus attack on every individual user, but good usenet services tend to take measures against this As i said to rick, every time they use a new law or a new method of catching people the pirates change how they do business.

And yeah i'm right there with you about facebook and myspace etc, i have convinced my friends not to put up anything about me. This sin't because i think the government is after me or anything lol, it's just that the website is datamined and advertisers and others may be getting your data. Also identity theft is made so much more easy.

Consider what an identity thief needs. Name, address, date of birth, employement and education history, it's all on facebook.

I have been keeping up with this a bit as well. This is just another step along the path of total net domination. Those in control cannot stand the fact that there is so much information available because they get away with less and are scrutinized more by the very people that put them into position in the first place. Trust me, for every person who says or thinks that this act will not affect them at all because they dont use sharing over the net, I say you are dead wrong. This is a stepping stone along a longer path.
In China, they are open, honest and up front with it. They control the net there. The free world nations are trying to do the same, only disguising it as a means to combat cyber theft. This is no different than when they set up the Big Brother room at AT&T to clone all traffic (net, phone, cell) under the guise of sniffing out terrorists.

I read a story along these lines about how Beyonce's You Tube channel that she herself authorized was forced to remove a Beyonce video for copywrite infringement. So, the artist infringed on her right to display her art on her small area of the internet. Thats like taking yourself to court and sueing yourself for repeating something you said to yourself in the mirror that you swore you would never repeat, even to yourself.

And that folks, is the stupidity of government. Its like watching square wheels try to roll uphill.

This whole thing is why I'm glad there are groups like Anon out there who have the tools and talent to fight this kind of stuff.
Now me, I'm not a computer guy by any means, I'm just a lowly healthcare student, but I do so love my online vices.
I'm wondering if there are any cyberpatriots out there preparing to fight this tooth and nail. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if there were.
In fact...I'm desperately hoping that there are...

Since the majority of intelligent people do not depend on the internet to do things for them. I think taxing the internet can help raise money for the jobless people and lonely people who use the internet all the time.

I prefer the net becausee I decided to get an advantage and be more high tech.

Its smart to push keys and a mouse to get instant success.

If I were you I would do what I do

and utilize my internet.

I started reading this thread last night with interest and was wondering when we, in Australia would see the first signs? well i didn't think it would be that fast. I woke up from my sick bed about an hour ago and asked my fifteen year old son for any updates regarding and phone messages.

Well i got a slap in the face when he told me our service provider activ8me called and asked if anyone in the house was downloading South Park. My son replied yes he was (i knew he was downloading through torrent) he was then told he had to stop and if he didn't he would be charged under government laws.

I just about cough up a lung with this news, how they can talk to a minor like, plus he's not the account holder, the kid pays no friggin bills.

They're watching all right, the bastards.

Australia, the nanny country. Take the guns away first (which is the biggest Australian conspiracy bar none. I'm not sure if you have a thread on Martin Bryant or Port Aurthur Massacre) then it's ooh you can't smoke around hear anymore, sorry you can't walk past hear with a drink in your hand, sorry kids we can't have you standing still in this area you could become a problem, oh and lets close the clubs earlier because that will help the alcohol problem in our society.

WHERE IS THE DECENT IN THIS COUNTRY!!!!!!!!

Oh that's right all the students owe money to the government for their current education, isn't that handy. Yet the current politicians had a free education, and that's the last time we saw flag waving kids in the streets. Go figure.

Australian's just swollow's this kind of tripe day in day out.

Come on kids, us oldies are holding onto your inheritance, our fighting days are fading and we all need you to take a stand, shake the house, be heard, fxxk the establishment.

They know who you are, there is no anonymity, never was. don't hide behind your screen, be seen and be heard.

Fxxk you Rudd you slow talking pussy, and fxxk you activ8me I'll be ringing you tomorrow.

reply to post by Matthew Dark


There is already a Facebook page against ACTA which gives frequent update on what's going with this issue.
www.facebook.com...

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984


I don't need a lesson on stealing. In case you didn't know stealing started long before Napster and has had many names. Now you call it file sharing.
The point wasn't obamas health care dude. You said what if I want a copy for my MP3 player and my cd player. Why should I have to buy two copies. My response is you don't. No one is forcing you to buy anything.
I'll tell you what my wife and I want the inside of our house painted. All of the rooms.
Why don't you do that for us. When you are done you hold out a tin cup and we will put a donation in the cup for you. Sound fair?
Answer this question please. What gives you the right to dictate to other people what they should do with their own property?(music)

Originally posted by rick1
I don't need a lesson on stealing. In case you didn't know stealing started long before Napster and has had many names. Now you call it file sharing.

Actually file sharing is not illegal because you can share legal files, so don't twist the terms please.

Originally posted by rick1
The point wasn't obamas health care dude. You said what if I want a copy for my MP3 player and my cd player. Why should I have to buy two copies. My response is you don't. No one is forcing you to buy anything.

Humans need entertainment, so if i buy one copy i should be able to transfer it to my cd player. As this is illegal then they are most certainly forcing me to buy two copies if i wish to remain within the boundaires of the law.

Originally posted by rick1
I'll tell you what my wife and I want the inside of our house painted. All of the rooms.
Why don't you do that for us. When you are done you hold out a tin cup and we will put a donation in the cup for you. Sound fair?

Again a false comparison. No one would bother to donate for such a thing, whereas people will (and have) donated to artists. Still the more important point and sadly you are unable to grasp it is that the record industries will die if they don't move with the times and utilize the new systems.

Originally posted by rick1
Answer this question please. What gives you the right to dictate to other people what they should do with their own property?(music)

I'm not dictating anything, i am simply showing the problems with the old system in a modern age. They don't have to adapt but if they don't they'll just lose money and eventually be destroyed as artists who use the new technology will overtake them.

Still the evidence is once again against you. Are you aware that pirates on average spend more on music than others? By pirates i of course mean those who download music. The way it works is someone downloads something for free, loves it and then buys an album.

Are you also aware that the record industry recently posted record profits? For an industry that is suffering from evil pirates this record profit seems odd no?

I am not dictating what someone can do with their music, if i were then it would be happening my way wouldn't it. I am simply advising, giving my opinion, just as you are.

You have failed to address services like spotify, which earn the record companies money but also gives music incredibly cheaply to fans. You haven't addressed the 6 GB of completely free, completely legal music shared by new and emerging artists (that's only a small sample of the available free music).

Be a part of the solution, not the problem.

Just found this ...it's thru google translation so bit messed up english

For years, the ever-increasing load of the Internet discussed. Video Watch and upload and download heavy files has made the bandwidth is no longer enough. And consequences has already begun visible. According to the United Nations has, among other banks and companies have encountered problems when cash transactions are not reviewed in time.

But we is evolve a significantly worse scenario than so.

- We fear that a collapse of the entire Internet usage continues to grow at the pace it does today. It would have devastating consequences not only for the world economy, but also for vital public services such as hospitals and police forces, "said Nette Weier, head of the new UN body, in a statement.

The idea is that the nations of the world to receive a share in a number of internet quotas. UN body United Nations Web Watch Organisational, UNWWO, will responsible for allocating Internet quotas, well monitor removing borders not exceeded.

How many quotas each country will be based on population and number of registered IP addresses in the country. How quotas are then distributed within the nation is up to countries themselves to decide.

If a country exceeds the assigned limits, it seems to be talk of UN sanctions as well as reduced bandwidth..

New UN agencies shall limit your Internet using

Goodbye internet.

reply to post by December_Rain


The thing is that they could stop this issue occuring by investing a few billions worldwide into the infrastructure. The data centres were not built for the elvel of video streaming that is now commonplace but right now they are installing the new Cisco gear which can handle the bandwidth. However it needs to be installed everywhere to fix this issue.

The question then is why they are not rolling this out worldwide and fixing the problem before it causes severe damage. I think the reason is that they want to stop users generating content and exposing things they would rather remain buried. Freedom of information is so annoying huh


EDIT

You can find a link about these new Cisco routers here

Cisco Routers

Cisco Routers, Second Link

The new device has three times the capacity of Cisco’s CRS-1 and, the company claims, more than twelve times the capacity of its nearest competitor from another vendor. Cisco illustrated the capacity with outlandish claims - saying it could download the entire US Library of Congress in one second, or allow every single Chinese citizen to make a simultaneous video call - but the actual impact is to offer bigger pipes for the giant’s carrier customers.

[edit on 1-4-2010 by ImaginaryReality1984]

I can see the future now

todays toronto sun ;quote
the federal government say that it will soon tax internet usage in an effort to pay down the country`s swelling deficit.[quit spending what you don`t have]
according to the government spokesman earl white [the bills are piling up and we need to find more steams of revenue].he says this is not a tax it is more of a users fee. if you don`t like it live offline.[arrogant bastard] he also says that the majority of Canadians do fine offline. [what a line crap]
he says that he does not know when the TAX [not a tax] will begin but it will happen in days time.

white says that the plan will force internet service providers [isp] to monitor customers web surfing and turn a usage report over to the feds at the end of the year for TAXATION.
NEWS & so called sin sites [porno,social networking,gambling ] will be the heavily TAXED.
NO RATE OF TAXATION HAS BEEN SET YET-NO MORE TAX REFUND CHECKS]
WHITE say that all government sites are free but if you have to use Google to get to them you get TAXED.[WHAT A KIND HEART .]
WHITES INSANE REASONING-if people don`t want to pay the levy [new word for TAX] to get news on what is happening in their government [not mine] they can get their news directly from the government- free of charge-
white says it kind of makes sense to go directly to the source.[lying thieves and low lives yea right] [and this is their idea of an open government tell and tax on the same day]
a face book group formed to fight the I TAX.-called the move[information highway robbery]
and while opposition members are upset by the tax,they won`t stand up for the people [last time one of them tried he got fired for not towing the party line-old Nazi
saying] they are afraid that they might be painted as supporting the
NEWS[FREEDOM OF SPEECH JUST WENT OUT THE WINDOW WITH THE REST OF THE TRASH]
THE FREEDOM FIGHTERS have started a petition but not on line to avoid the TAX.


HAPPY APRIL FOOLS .
BUT THIS WILL COME.

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984

Look you keep trying to educate me on how the music industry runs. I've been in the industry as a musician and songwriter longer than than you've been alive. The business like any business has constantly changed over the years and either you change with it or you fade away. There have always been pirates there always will. That is not what I am talking about. We were talking about copyrighted music being downloaded with out the consent of the writer or publisher. That is stealing. But that is also what many many people today call file sharing and it is flat out BS no matter how you slice it. When I write a piece of music YOU have to have my permission to use it.

Originally posted by rick1
There have always been pirates there always will. That is not what I am talking about. We were talking about copyrighted music being downloaded with out the consent of the writer or publisher. That is stealing. But that is also what many many people today call file sharing and it is flat out BS no matter how you slice it. When I write a piece of music YOU have to have my permission to use it.

Confusing, you say there are pirates and always will be and then you say it's not what you're talking about. Downloaders are pirates, so yeah kind of a confusing statement.

Still you once again avoid answering some things, most notably the fact that pirates tend to buy more music than non pirates.

Study Finds Pirates 10 Times More Likely To Buy Music

Piracy may be the bane of the music industry but according to a new study, it may also be its engine. A report from the BI Norwegian School of Management has found that those who download music illegally are also 10 times more likely to pay for songs than those who don't.

Music isn't like it used to be as i'm sure you know. People used to have a few tapes or records, even cd collections were often under a 100 albums. Now with modern storage and sharing technology people want more and of course that means cost. So people have become smart with their money.

This involves downloading, illegally or legally, deciding whether they like something or not and then buying an album or just a few tracks from it. You may not like it, but to me that's a very good thing because it means that only the best music gets the most attention and encourages musicians to make better stuff.

As you've worked in the industry i am sure you know how artists often put in filler tracks just to pad out an album

Pirates actually tend to buy more music so............what is your argument again?

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984

For someone who is in college you really are dense. I don't care if these pirates buy 100 billion records or anyone else for that matter. Now focus ok. I have said this four times and this is the LAST TIME I am going to tell you. If I write songs you must have my permission for any kind of use. Otherwise you are BREAKING THE LAW. Why? Because I OWN IT. Just like someone owns a car or a house.I own it. If My cd has 10 songs on it and you only want 1 song on it you must have my permission. If you want 2 songs you must have my permission. If you want 3 songs you must have my permission. Are you getting it yet. Do you know the reason why? In case you have forgotten I will state it one more time. I OWN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You can go online and listen to songs free without downloading them to see what you want to buy. You can go into any music store
and listen to any cd to see what you want to buy. I have NEVER downloaded music but I always check it out before I buy it.

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984

Ps
People have not become smarter with their money they have become thieves. I can't tell you how many people I know who have thousands of songs and have never paid a dime. They laugh and think stealing it is just great.

Originally posted by rick1
reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984

 

For someone who is in college you really are dense.

You have mentioned several things that suggest you believe i'm american, i'm English and in university, not college. As for being dense, well i just disagree with you, because i am applying logic and you are just ranting and raving without supplying any way to fix the system.

Originally posted by rick1
I don't care if these pirates buy 100 billion records or anyone else for that matter. Now focus ok. I have said this four times and this is the LAST TIME I am going to tell you. If I write songs you must have my permission for any kind of use. Otherwise you are BREAKING THE LAW. Why? Because I OWN IT. Just like someone owns a car or a house.I own it. If My cd has 10 songs on it and you only want 1 song on it you must have my permission. If you want 2 songs you must have my permission. If you want 3 songs you must have my permission. Are you getting it yet. Do you know the reason why? In case you have forgotten I will state it one more time. I OWN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh ok yep i get you now, so you don't care if someone has to listen through 10 tracks to find one good one and waste their money, you don't care if someone buys an album and discovers it's rubbish, again wasting their money. You don't care about he music, it's all cash. You can repeat yourself as many times as you like, until you provide some logic for your position then i'll just ignore you.

Even though by adopting new systems you would make just as much money. I'm sorry but you are failing in your logic rather awfully. You have been in the music industry for years you say, well i doubt you will be in it for much longer, or at the very least won't be very successful. Adapt or move along.

My simple question to you, how would you fix this system? If you can't move with the times then please tell me what you would do to stop the pirates. I ask you again to be a part of the solution and not the problem.

Originally posted by rick1
You can go online and listen to songs free without downloading them to see what you want to buy. You can go into any music store
and listen to any cd to see what you want to buy. I have NEVER downloaded music but I always check it out before I buy it.

Hang on a second, i'm sorry but you have zero logic. What is the difference between listening to it for free on youtube and downloading it to check it out? Give me a logical reason that shows the difference. There is no difference, at all, in any way. In fact when you listen to something on youtube, put up by the companies you do download it, you understand this yes?

Originally posted by rick1
Ps
People have not become smarter with their money they have become thieves. I can't tell you how many people I know who have thousands of songs and have never paid a dime. They laugh and think stealing it is just great.

Yeah people really have become smarter with their money, i do the same as you, i listen to some stuff for free, find the tracks i like and then i legally download those tracks. that's being smart and i know tons of people who do the same. Anecdotal evidence however is no way to win an argument, i already linked you a study, would you care to provide a counter study?

the government will say it is for national security, but they will be arresting everyone that looks at how to make explosives on the internet, which happens to be a large number of board teenagers look for something to do, imagine if they start telling us an American teenager is a terrorist because he looked at how to make Molotov cocktail