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Originally posted by rick1
reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984
We are not talking about fixing a problem. We are talking about YOU STEALING MY PROPERTY. Stay on track.
Originally posted by rick1
Do you even understand what laws are? Do you know what property is? Obviously you do not.
Originally posted by rick1
You want to talk about logic but you make no sense.
Originally posted by rick1
People do not spend a dime when they go to music stores and listen to a cd before they buy it. People spend nothing when they go to amazon and listen to music to see what they want to buy. You are making every excuse you can so you can be a THIEF.
Originally posted by rick1
Here is some research for you plus some college kids who are not afraid to tell the truth. They steal and they admit it is stealing.
www.walletpop.com...
By the way How long have you been in the music business?
The change has forced artists to find creative ways to get their albums to sell. So in 2007, the UK alternative rock band Radiohead, self-released its album "In Rainbows," allowing fans to download the album and pay as much (or as little) as they wanted. The experiment was an unparalleled success, yet the music industry proper has been slow -- even stubborn -- to conduct such experiments on its own.
The RIAA acknowledges that illegally downloading programs and websites will always be around and though they are trying to control it with fear, it seems like a war they cannot win. Apple's iTunes Store sells songs for about .99 cents a pop. Currently, in my iTunes player I have 4,050 songs which means I would have had to spent $4,009.50 for my music library, which to me seems a ridiculously high price for anyone to pay for music.
See full article from WalletPop: srph.it...
Originally posted by rick1
Don't get your panties in a bunch I am talking figuratively when I say you.
So if people can't afford cars you are promoting they Steal them right.
In fact whatever someone can't afford according to that philosophy,WTH,just steal it right.
Originally posted by rick1
Or if I think Joe down the street is selling his bicycles for to much money It's ok to steal it.
Originally posted by rick1
You see we can't move on and try to fix a system with a segment of the population who now believes they are justified in stealing. That is what we are complaining the record companies have been doing. Now we're doing it. Thieves cannot cut corruption. They are only going to add to it.
Originally posted by rick1
PS
You claim that my article makes your case is because it seems you were only willing to post one paragraph of the article. You didn't post the part about how much money the artists and record companies lost. It is easy to make your case with selective editing.
Originally posted by Solomons
reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984
Usenet is the best, could they track people using newsgroups as much as torrents,rapidshare etc? Using SSL i imagine they couldn't, not easily anyway...newsgroups are very cheap too boot, $25 for 180gb is a good deal.
Originally posted by brill
Yes and yes. I love Usenet, been a long time user. Torrents are all the rage given their simplicity while Usenet requires a bit more work (not really but speaking in terms of the average user). It is only a question of time before it is targeted and it can be detected SSL or not. If ACTA has any traction it may simply force pirates to relocate to countries that don't espouse those beliefs or laws.
brill
Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
The best way of countering it is to use an encrypted VPN with a shared key and a respected owner. People running well maintained VPN's are well aware of the attacks that can be used (like Janus) and take very clear measures against it. Indeed many people who run encrypted VPN services are hackers and so are very up to date with counter techniques. The other advantage of an encrypted VPN is that your ISP doesn't know what kind of traffic you are sending/receiving. ISP's now use traffic shaping, so when they detect torrent traffic, or even gaming traffic, they throttle it.
Originally posted by brill
You said it yourself. Even with VPN services they can monitor data transfer rates. Inevitably end user agreements will add clauses pertaining to quote usage many already do and they enforce this. There will always be a way to get what you want I won't dispute that but in the end you may end up paying the same if not more had you simply gone the legit route. Yes torrent/newsgroups are loaded with legit content very true.
Originally posted by brill
I don't think the emphasis will be on hacking or breaking encryption, why bother when you can avoid that step with fake certificate authority certs. Also you mentioned rate shaping or throttling and that is another tactic. Once ISP's see high traffic levels they will simply shape it to levels that prove aggravating regardless of encryption techniques.
brill
Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
reply to post by lowki
The only way to combat that is firstly with open communication systems and secondly by forcing government to release all spending figures.
Why should the citizen be kept in the dark as to how their taxes are spent?