Pay Attention Now Internet User!!

looks like dialup will make a comeback.

they cant stop you from dialing in a connection to a net-neutral country ISP. it will be incredibly slow though...

reply to post by zatara

Where did you ever get the idea that music and movies were free?
You are justifying it by saying rich people steal so it's ok if you do?

reply to post by optimus primal


Excellent I agree!!!

I remember not long ago when recording atrists won the right to make radio stations pay for playing their songs. I couldn't help wonder why the radio stations didn't make the artist pay for airplay.

One time I was traveling between cities and listened to a station local to the city I was visiting and heard a song I wouldn't have at home. After listening to, ironically, "Paranoia" by the Barstool Profits, I proceeded to buy the CD the next day. Should the station make a commission?

Also, from 8 track to cassette, to LP to CD....How many times do I have to pay for "Dark Side of the Moon"? So if I downloaded to my computer songs that I've already paid for in different media, I'm a crook?

I understand "intellectual property" rights, being a former Realtor, (People wanted our MLS data for free) however, there's got to be a happy medium, n'est-ce pas?

Jason

reply to post by Emerald The Paradigm


Does Google govern more than the W3 Consortium?

Originally posted by warpcrafter
Well, every time that I've had anything to do with a .torrent file, I ended up with a virus or malware on my computer, so as far as I'm concerned, they can all go in the great recycle bin in the sky.

AHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHahahaha

oh poor you. when the blind scream over the silent..

Well done; and as for the op, man, got some cliffs going somewhere, I have no idea where youre going, and if the first reply is the result, my god... CONDENSE IT DOWN son..

reply to post by Damian-007

You don't see any artist or record company suffering and there are millions of downloads a day.
They suffer every time you steal their property. Songs are their property.
They suffer just as you suffer when someone steals your property.

reply to post by December_Rain


I really agree with protecting our freedoms over this bil which would yet be another strick for big brother.

I just grow tired of the machine squeezing us for more and more money, over regulating us and looking out for the interest of speacial interests and big buisness.

How many musicians for instnce havemade it big from the internet and p2p (peer 2 peer) networks. The problem being is that the network has not evolved. Why would i buy a disc with 16 songs, 15 are crap, or the medium i have purchased is now obsolete so you make me buy it again. total bull crap.

I admit i download movies and watch them, but if i like them i will buy them on dvd or blue ray.

The underlying problem is everyone claims that everything is their idea and they own it, so to not get lawsuit for copyright infringment of some sorts they are making uch crap, it is smothering creativness and creative expression.

Like a product, Say bob has a wicked idea, works 10 times better than a existing product, last 20 times longer and is half the price, but he cant make it and sell it with out getting suied. i agree to a point there should be some protection for a new idea for so many years, and like drugs from the major phara comps, they should be open patiented then after like 5 years and see what people can do. Why do you think the gas car has lasted so long, besies the fact they bought up or killed off anyone who thretened their stance on gas and oil dominance.

The fact of the mattr is this is just another stab at over all contol. With market shares shrinking to free services like you tube, they grow more desperate to make ther bottom lines grow for stock holders. I dont feel bad for the britney spears and metallicas of the world, or the big corps.

Now if they could only feel like this and put the effort in helping average joe, we would have a great world, or stop the illegal porn and which actually hurts someone, but see no one is loosing supposed money from it so it does not matter.

I say screw them, and if they bring this measure in, everyone cancel their cable, shut down their internet and stop renting and buying the videos, if we loose interest in their crap, mayby they will realize they are where they are because we put them their. We can easily change the guards, weather be ceos or governemens, being legal or revolutionary. The ultamit question, where do you stand and are you willing to fight for what is right? Or will you just bitch about it but go along like sheep. Our ancestors would feel shame. For if it wasnt for blod shed for freedom, we would still be controlled colonys of kings and queens and probably all live in poverty, hey wait thats sounding more like today than anything.

reply to post by Damian-007

Tiger Woods was paid 3 million just to show up at a tournament in Australia. Why?

I'll tell you why. It's very simple. BECAUSE HE IS WORTH IT. Tiger Woods brings the huge crowds. The huge crowds bring the huge money. Why is this so difficult.
Very very very few people in the world can do what Tiger Woods can do. That is what makes him so valuable. I am a fork lift operator. Almost anyone can do my job and they can replace me tomorrow and they know it. I work 6 and 7 days a week but I will never make what Tiger makes. But at least I understand why.

reply to post by vagabondrobb

So let me ask you this. If your job didn't pay you would you have anything to do with it?
Music is a musicians job dude. It's how he or she feeds their family. What is the matter with people. I just don't get it.

This has been slowly happening in the US...
The torrent market has been largely shut down(via last yr) with more of the mainstream sites and tight access on the still open ones, invites to join and such. As an Example, Mininova.org Blog (please remove if I can't post this, but as the Mininova blog implies it is a legal site now)

Some ISPs already block what risky sites they don't want you to go on.

Libraries across state to state and possibly through the US will link(according to a convo with a librarian).

Soon will our ATS posts recorded and monitored by ISPs, risky posts sent to the government? Posts maybe be already recorded by the Anti-Conspiracy Theory Organizations.

I don't know what you people are getting upset about. This is a good thing. Every time someone 'shares' a song, even if it is theirs, the music industry loses money. Every time someone 'shares' a story, even if it is theirs, the publishing industry loses money. Every time someone 'shares' a movie, even if it is theirs, the movie industry loses money. You see, they own the rights to the distribution of any media, yours, theirs, no matter who it belongs, they own the rights to the distribution. If they don't handle the distribution, they lose money on every single thing that is 'shared'.

So, won't someone think of all the people this is hurting? Right now, because someone 'shared' something, there's an executive that can't afford the Jaguar he sorely needs so that the other executives won't pick on him for being poor. He'll lack the confidence to even attempt to make par on the golf course, and he might be spotted crying behind the club house because he can't afford to drink A. H. Hirsch Reserve. Because someone 'shared' something there's an executive that must face one of his mistresses, and tell her that he can't afford her any more. The heart break must end! Support ACTA!

There seems to be two diverse conversations going here. How do they regulate intellectual property rights without infringing on other rights and I'm a thief and they have no right to stop me from stealing.

The first I find interesting, the later I find the product of of the type of mind I'd expect to find in a Thieves head. Reminds me why I have to lock my doors and have security all over my office.

This is rediculous.

One of the main reasons for file sharing is for underground bands to get their music out to the world.

You'd be surprised at how many bands I've seen say things like "buy our music! Or if you don't have money, download it. We don really care. As long as you listen to it."


im sure this whole thing is about money. The record labels lose money. And then the government loses money due to taxes and such.


Music is something that's supposed to bring joy and happiness.
It shouldn't be something to suck money from.

And yes, bands do deserve money for their hard work. But when the bands signed to a record label. The label gets most of the money. So who should we support? The band? Or the label whose getting rich off of the bands hard work?

Good, take away the daily entertainment of the sheople, they will the have the time to start thinking about life and how screwed they are!

Originally posted by wartooth420
This is rediculous.

One of the main reasons for file sharing is for underground bands to get their music out to the world.

You'd be surprised at how many bands I've seen say things like "buy our music! Or if you don't have money, download it. We don really care. As long as you listen to it."

Wonderful, if they give you permission. You don't need a torrent to do anything legal though. Lots of free hosting sites.

im sure this whole thing is about money. The record labels lose money. And then the government loses money due to taxes and such.

Actually it is about stealing a companies product.

Music is something that's supposed to bring joy and happiness.
It shouldn't be something to suck money from.

So, musicians and companies who market them don't have a right to sell what they create and own? They owe us free music? Why do they owe us free music?

And yes, bands do deserve money for their hard work. But when the bands signed to a record label. The label gets most of the money. So who should we support? The band? Or the label whose getting rich off of the bands hard work?

Both. It took both to get the music too you.

Music is cheap to buy legally. Why steal it? You get plenty of free music on the radio or on the music channels on your cable. Why would anyone need to steal on top of that.

I don't buy it. People steal because they get off on stealing. When a person steals something they don't need it goes deep into who they are. When a starving person steals food that is something else altogether. The first is an antisocial personality and quite frankly just another punk, while the later is hungry and in need. I can forgive the later.

reply to post by December_Rain


It really is kind of funny taht the music industry says you cannot copy music even if you purchased a cd, it is funny they provide legal channels on youtube but prosecute someone who downloads it. What is the difference betweena free youtube viewing and a personal download viewing?

The music industry needs to adapt, if they don't then they'll be destroyed.

I have mentioned on ATS many times about personal encryption. Start using it people, because if you don't then you'll be in trouble. Even if you don't do anything illegal do you really want your emails read? Do you want that raunchy photo of your girlfriend viewed by a government official? Do you want those holiday snaps of your little girl used against you in a paedophile ring invesitgation?

That is what it's coming down to ladies and gentlemen and i advise everyone to take precautions.

reply to post by December_Rain


I've sent this message to my neighbors and friends.
Everyone needs to spread this around. Do you want your
online chats monitored? How about your phone calls made from
a computer?

The list goes on..............

What people don't realize is that the internet is our last
chance for freedom. It's the quickest way to relay information
and spread truth.

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reply to post by Blaine91555


You're so ridiculously off the mark it's hurting me. Folks that download illegally don't do so for the sake of thievery alone nor are they 'getting off' on a cheap anti-social thrill of file-sharing. That's some the weakest insight I've encountered in a while. They do so not to incur the monetary cost. It's as PLAIN and as SIMPLE as that. You're delving far too much into the psyche of the 'pirate' with your moot and generalizing judgment. Speculative absolutism is always a dangerous folly.

Let's say you want to listen to the complete discographies of Elvis, The Beatles and Madonna. That's A LOT of music.

Would these be accessible to you via the "plenty of free music on the radio or on the music channels on your cable" as you described?

No.

Can you listen to your choice songs when you want and as often you want?

No.

Even if legally paying for such an assortment, compare the cumulative cost to cost of piracy (e.g. nil). Because the cumulative cost is nil we are allowed greater flexibility in terms of how disposable the assortment is i.e. within an hour of listening to the Madonna discography you might decide to delete it only to freely download it again in a months time.

Remember, we (specifically you and I) are not discussing whether piracy is right or wrong rather we're discussing why people do it. I just wanted to point out that your understanding of contemporary multimedia, file-sharing, torrents, privacy and everything in between is hogwash and anyone whose reasonably technically or digitally savvy would perceive your camp and villainous depiction of the digital 'pirate' as laughable. I also wanted to set the record straight for anyone who reads your post.