Pay Attention Now Internet User!!

The last source of free discussion, and free information that we have. Of course the PTB want to control it, we must do everything to prevent that from happening.

Do not let a Tiger Woods story get in your way from protecting our last weapon against them.

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Someone I know is preparing message flyer's and I will submit it for possible addition. Thank you very much again.



[edit on 30-3-2010 by December_Rain]

I looked into these proposals around Christmas time, my opinion is that they're pretty much unenforceable as it stands. It would take a complete redesign of the internet to really be able to nail a person to their actions online to the extent that would make this feasible. This is more a copywrite holders wet dream than anything else, a best case scenario of control if it were possible, but luckily for us it's not.

The fact that they're even discussing something like this is annoying, but not really anything to worry about.

i see they are about to introduce their totalitarian of a police state down our throats ,and yet they dare to call us-FREE NATIONS, or DEMOCRATIC SOCIETIES. it seems that the neo nazi`s that run this insane ,insane asylum have once again overstepped their limits by trying to once again DICTATE to us what is best for us by their standards. ... ops that ugly headed snake in the grass just reared it`s ugly head again .. corporate greed MONEY .
i believe we were all granted FREEDOM OF SPEECH -CIVIL LIBERTIES ,and so on by them or is it only when we speak highly of them and their madness.
these things no longer exist any more ;just more words on paper that are not worth the paper they are written on.
and their signatures are as false as they are ;
i wonder if there is a way of making our ips rotate so that they can not be tracked after were on line -wouldn`t that frost the man .

"i wonder if there is a way of making our ips rotate so that they can not be tracked after were on line -wouldn`t that frost the man ."

If this was ever to happen you could always use a proxy to keep yourself hidden, its a very useful tool, and there is thousands if not tens of thousands or proxy sites on the net.

If you don't want to get caught downloading illegal stuff, then the easiest way to get around all of this, is to download and install a program called Tor (it's freeware), which redirects your internet traffic halfway around the world. After that, your ISP won't see anything you do on the web. And don't forget to enable protocol encryption in your favorite torrent client either.

It's as easy as that.

Originally posted by hotbakedtater
I support acts like this. It will encourage people to create their own music to listen to, and create their own art and movies and lives to live.

I guess the government thinks they can control people by taking this away. The ability to illegally file share is not one I am going to cry over leaving me.

I don't think anyone is arguing the illegal file sharing point. I don't know that anyone really gives a rat's ass about teenagers stealing hip hop tracks. It is about how it will be used as an excuse to enact controls on the internet and its users. Did you even read the OP?

This is one reason people get enslaved by their governments. They agree to the bullet points that are handpicked for their consumption, but fail to read any further to the real meat of the law. Sound famlilar? Healthcare reform??

[edit on 30-3-2010 by AwakeinNM]

Originally posted by December_Rain Just think how Government will use this to suppress your voice. This will allow more government control where it shouldn't be and is an infringement on human rights of freedom to expression and other freedoms.

Great post but I'm fed up of discussing this and wasting time on the fools who can't decipher how serious this is. Let's abscond the waffle, the deadweights and instead work with what and who we have. I posted this a while back but only two members actually seemed interested.

Here's my solution to concerns articulated in the OP:

ATS Collaboration: Protect Internet Free Speech Project

I’d like to propose an international collaboration and extend an invitation to all ATS members. ATS is the foremost conspiracy theory community online. In my opinion, the existing online endeavors geared toward protection of free speech online are factional and thusly fall short of the requisite momentum for achieving what is necessary. Make no mistake, the suppression of free speech on the internet by way of imposed legal penalties or licensing will retard the greatest singular asset we have in admonishing the corruptions of our various political leaders and corporations.

Step 1: Assembly and delegation

Initially let’s establish whose on board and identify the extent of each participants contribution to allow us to define realistic expectations in terms of workflow and the general turnaround time of tasks pertinent to the trajectory of the proposed collaboration. Thereafter we can specify delegated tasks based on each members interests, skill set and geographical location.

Step 2: Resource compilation

I motion that an archiving of existing legislation, acts, court cases, oppositions and implementations is quintessential to the success of the collaboration. In layman’s terms, we need an intelligence repertoire. Many hands make light work.

Step 3: Cohesion by way of affiliation

Networking with existing proponents of internet free speech including but not limited to online communities, web standards/design/programming communities and political figures.

Step 4: Institute a nexus

A nexus will need to be created to facilitate operational organization and correspondence of the said collaboration. Should ATS not have the resources or an interest in developing a new facet of their site to facilitate such a nexus then I’ll volunteer my own time to develop (design and program) such a facility as a site in it's own right.

Step 5: Definitive action

All tangible actions including but not limited to awareness initiatives, political organization and civilized protests will be defined subsequent to the institution of the nexus as defined in Step 4. The merit of such actions will be amplified by international cohesion.

Let’s get the ball rolling. If you’re interested say “Aye!”. Suggestions are welcome. Alternatively you can inactively discuss this to death. I’d rather act.

@mods: Please pardon the size of the excerpt but it is of high pertinence to the OP.

[edit on 30-3-2010 by rexusdiablos]

I wonder how they plan to differentiate legal and illegal use of torrent connection protocols. There are hundreds of perfectly legal ways to use them. Heck World of Warcraft uses torrents to provide updates to their software.

Not to mention, any time you try and deter piracy in any way, it causes it to explode even further. People will come up with new methods faster than you can think of ways to shut them down.

Look at the video game Spore, it was being touted as un-piratable and had tons of copy protection and DRM installed with it. Turns out it was the most pirated game of all time. If you actually come out and say "Oh you can't do this we're going to stop you!" it just makes people want to try even harder to prove you wrong.

It'll never be properly enforced. how can the ISP's Police it?

Do you think for one minute that an ISP will ban a Customer and lose the income from that Customer?? Not in your life.

There are probably millions of people downloading Something, that deemed as an illegal Download, everyday. Now, you don't see any Artist or Record Company Suffering, do you? Everytime I put a Video on that I have rented, I get a Splurge of "Illegal Downloads Affect What You Watch On TV. Yeah, right?

Let's say the ISP's can Police it. How long will it be before a whole heap of IP Circumventions Appear. You can already hide your IP now, if you want.

I can't see how they can force the Internet Service Providers to comply. It's up to the Record Companies or Entertainment industry to do it themselves.

If these new measures come in it'll mean that the Governments are Bowing Down to the Entertainment industry.

I know a way it can all be fixed in an instant.

The Entertainment Industry and Others just have to lower the Prices so it's not so Attractive to download. That's all they have to do instead of Gouging the Buying Publics Money.

I will never understand how someone can get Paid 20 Million Dollars for a few months work when Someone who works their Heart out for their whole life, For 12 hours a day, 6 days a week, is lucky to make 1 million dollars in 20 years.

Or let's take a Singer who might spend a week writing a song, 10 hours recording that song and then getting paid 5 million dollars..

Tiger Woods was paid 3 million Dollars just to show up to a Golf Tournament in Melbourne, Australia.. WHY?

Sems awfully unbalanced to me. It really is Pathetic.

Originally posted by Damian-007
Do you think for one minute that an ISP will ban a Customer and lose the income from that Customer?? Not in your life.

There are probably millions of people downloading Something, that deemed as an illegal Download, everyday.

Exactly.

I think there are too many problems and conflicts of interest to make this feasible as well. Courts don't like that you can't pin people easily to computer activity and they throw out a lot because of this anyway.

I believe this has more to do with government control then file sharing and protecting copyrights etc.

When are poeple going to realize that we have an elite in this world who want to control every aspect of our lives so they can have productive slaves on the plantation while they exploit us so they can live the charmed lives they think they deserve.

All this stuff is always sold as protecting people etc. when it is really to gain more control.

@ those who suggested use of proxies:

It's technically not possible to bypass a monitoring system of your own provider by using proxies because you will ALWAYS be directly connected to your provider, no matter what and how many proxies you use.

The only way to hide your online activities is by using strictly encrypted connections and data transfers. As far as i know there exist a few good file sharing applications that use full encryption.

At this point I'd like to know whether that ACTA thing is going to forbid the use of encryption because of the above reasons? Anyone knows?

Ko3

[edit on 30-3-2010 by kid_of_3NKi]

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Good solution but you're missing the point. Do your really think that the government is concerned about copyright protection? This is about censorship. Imagine how the aftermath of a second 911 would unfold without an uncensored internet?

Originally posted by bsbray11

Originally posted by Damian-007
Do you think for one minute that an ISP will ban a Customer and lose the income from that Customer?? Not in your life.

There are probably millions of people downloading Something, that deemed as an illegal Download, everyday.

Exactly.

I think there are too many problems and conflicts of interest to make this feasible as well. Courts don't like that you can't pin people easily to computer activity and they throw out a lot because of this anyway.

both of you should tell that to those already prosecuted over illegal filesharing. they would probably be glad to know that. /end unnecessary sarcasm.

no it's not exactly easy, but they can and do prosecute people for those activities currently illegal. ACTA will do nothing more than increase those who are considered criminals and make it harder for anything other than email to be done on the internet. even when those things aren't currently and should never be, termed illegal.

As for ISP not having an interest, that is true. But it pays off in the long run if production corporations provide some... compensation to the ISP crooks. They just need a handful of randomly picked users punished and hyped in the media to scare the rest, all perfectly legal.

But in reality, these things are invented by idiots, it can't be about profit as it's counter productive. It is either some major idiocracy, or a real conspiracy...

Edit: you know, this also reminded me of anti-piracy police raids and arrests in Serbia. It was demanded by EU. I am near-certain that at least 2 out of 10 cops performing an arrest have something from the target pirate on their own PC. Even if they wanted, they cannot afford even Windows with their cop wages. How backwards huh?

[edit on 30/3/2010 by SassyCat]

I take great pleasure in downloading free music and videos, I really can't afford to spend all my hard earned cash on I-tunes. Many artists I listen to actually encourage the spreading of their music through torrents etc, because they are all about communicating to people. They still make more than enough money to get by.

I bet that around 90% of the worlds best selling contemporary 'artists' were never paid a penny they would have nothing to do with music! So why should I care, they are just incredibly rich folk, I am just another poor boy.

Cracking down on file sharing has more to do with cooporations than artists.

And if I'm honest, the more they try to stop me from sharing music, the more I will #ing defy.

Follow the money.

This is all to create package programs for the big websites access, and basically shut down the smaller websites that cannot compete with the big boys.

It is a step in trying to destroy this great evil called information.

Anyone whom tries to repeal net neutrality under any guise...vote him out quick, picket him every day he remains in office...blow up his phone with calls 30 times a day.

The internet is the leveling field between the slaves and the slavers.

If you want the internet to remain free and uncensored, then take your complaints to Google because after all THEY are the ones that work directly with the government, and THEY are the ones that want censorship.

Ask anybody who's ever internet marketed (including me) and you'll see for yourself that it ALL leads back to Google.

Google pretty much makes the rules of the internet, and many people falsely believe it's the ICANN which make the rules.

Google tracks your IP, search queries, and many other factors such as the types of sites you visit, how long you are on them, etc. to CREATE "Behavioral Advertising".

This simply means they TRACK what you do, and then MARKET to you because they've understood what kind of a person you are, so it gives the big Fortune 500 companies a better way to send their subliminal messages to you.

Any decent internet marketer knows this, and it's the majority of the public that are clueless.

Here's a simple test to prove what I'm saying:

The next time you are with a friend or family relative, ask them to name a "Domain Registrar", and you'll hear them say, "Uh buh buh duh ..."

Case Closed.

Well I personally think that where ever the mainstream goes, so goes politics, over protective parents and the mainstream media.


Perhaps this will in the long run be a good thing, when constraints are applied to something you enjoy you can learn to live within those constraints, fight against those constraints, or let it go and build something better.

I personally think that the internet started to suck when corporations figured out there was money to be had. When that happens it's all over.


~I'm going to go sleep off my medication now~