A "Christian" Says All Atheists Are Insane and Evil

reply to post by countercounterculture


The western state has always been tolerant of other faiths and ideals up to a point... Im not arguing against it either... In fact Im not even going to defend the person in the OP because they are clearly insane and may have a demon( ) themselves....

Anyway, we can argue until the cows come home... Nobody is going to agree here but the only reason why western society is what it is, is not because of secularism, but because of its Christian foundation...

With that on the wane, so is the degradation of society.... Thats how I see it, and is my opinion...

[edit on 29-3-2010 by Yissachar1]

Originally posted by Yissachar1
reply to post by K J Gunderson

 

So secular based society is utopia huh? What about Russia? China? All of those secular examples of humanist love and light

They killed no one huh?

I am pretty sure that is not at all what I said. I was merely pointing out that your argument was void of facts, data, backup, or reality. The fact is that religion has no more lead to any utopia than anything secular. It would be nice though if you could tally up all the poor dead, molested, tortured people and compare them to the numbers of people raped, murdered, and tortured in the inquisitions, manifest destiny, the crusades, various church scandals, christian scientists, Mormon camps, Christian cults, etc.

That is just SOME the people that follow Jesus. I did not even mention Muslim terrorism, but you can look into that if you like. There are many other religions out there too that are responsible for all kinds of horror. Care to find the numbers? Religion has just done WONDERS!



[edit on 29-3-2010 by K J Gunderson]

reply to post by K J Gunderson


So if one extreme does not work, and other extreme either... Then a balance is needed no??

The balance is shifting the other way it seems.... Lets see where that leads...

Originally posted by Yissachar1
reply to post by Tiger5

 

No it doesnt for sure.. But it surely puts the breaks on evil no? America, UK and so on were the epitome of civilized society... Secularization has in 30 years turned western society into decadence and immorality that has torn the heart out of the family and caused our nations to rot....

Um...uh...gosh. I really hate to point this out but America was inhabited with people already that had their own way of life and religion. Your civilized Christians came and murdered them and stole their land because they said your god wanted it that way. History is really pretty when we leave out the parts that make us look bad.

This is the opinion of one man, why do people start blaming every Christian for one hardcore? Would you backlash at all Atheists if one says every single Christian is a child diddler?

Sometimes people just don't make sense.

Originally posted by Yissachar1
reply to post by K J Gunderson

 

So if one extreme does not work, and other extreme either... Then a balance is needed no??

The balance is shifting the other way it seems.... Lets see where that leads...

Where are those numbers? Please educate yourself. You will find that one extreme does far less damage than the other extreme. - get it? One extreme is not as extreme as the other. Things are not black and white. There are not only two secular societies to look at.

Go do some research. Look at simple things like secular condoms putting the breaks on unwanted pregnancies(abortions), teen pregnancies, babies born out of wedlock, and STDs.

Come back when you know just exactly how your Christian "abstinence only" teaching actually got us.

Secularism lead to a DECREASE in all those horrible things you Christians hate. Christian teaching lead to an INCREASE.

It is nice to feel and opine and all but you can actually educate yourself about this topic and come to helpful and logical conclusion instead of relying on blind ignorance to hope the world gets better as it 'quantifiably' gets worse around you.

Originally posted by K J Gunderson

Originally posted by Yissachar1
reply to post by K J Gunderson

 

So secular based society is utopia huh? What about Russia? China? All of those secular examples of humanist love and light

They killed no one huh?

I am pretty sure that is not at all what I said. I was merely pointing out that your argument was void of facts, data, backup, or reality. The fact is that religion has no more lead to any utopia than anything secular. It would be nice though if you could tally up all the poor dead, molested, tortured people and compare them to the numbers of people raped, murdered, and tortured in the inquisitions, manifest destiny, the crusades, various church scandals, christian scientists, Mormon camps, Christian cults, etc.

That is just SOME the people that follow Jesus. I did not even mention Muslim terrorism, but you can look into that if you like. There are many other religions out there too that are responsible for all kinds of horror. Care to find the numbers? Religion has just done WONDERS!



[edit on 29-3-2010 by K J Gunderson]

Oh, and Atheism hasn't? Atheism has only held very little leadership, yet everyone ended killing and starving millions. Atheism will lead us to utopia just as quick as religion.

Atheists have morals and something called inner guidance.

How many people would be suprised that their evil atheist neighbours are just like them. Trying to make the world a better place. All through self reflection. The conviction is not the point it is the intention.

This christian guys spreads hate and polerisation. Christians should not be ashamed of him because he is not a christian plain and simpel. Atheists should not defend themselves against these accusations because it is not the atheism that creates deviant behaivor in people it is people period.

The best thing to do is to ignore this guy. Let him rant. Pay no mind.
Everyone from all walks of life should spread the word of coming together. I believe most of us want THAT. Not this BS.

Good day.

Originally posted by Yissachar1

I have done my research.. Not by doctored government statistics, but by opening my eyes and seeing whats going on for myself... In my area for instance every other person is on drugs.. Class A drugs at that... Then there is the associated crime that comes with that... Just 30 years ago you could leave your door open around here and be safe at night.. You cant anymore... Those gove stats are damn lies

Oh, my bad. You already did research. Not by looking at real stats or anything but by looking around. Please tell me how you can tell what is happening in my area by what you "see" in yours? I would also really like to know how you ascertain that every other person is on class A drugs. Can you prove this? What was your method? Even you are smart enough to know what goes into real research is not just looking outside and taking a guess, right? So surely you would not make such a statement without having the facts to back it up?

Otherwise, you are admitting that you not only have done no research but you are ignoring the research that has been done. Great! Refute it with you data then.

reply to post by GamleGamle


Thank you.

It shouldn't be about hate. We must learn to live with one another without making any judgment calls. Christianity has a history that every Christian should be ashamed of. But we have come a long way.

It is up to everyone to help educate everyone around us. Not every atheist is evil, and not every religious person is a zealous.

The zealous on both sides is what gives us a bad image.

Originally posted by Equinox99
Oh, and Atheism hasn't? Atheism has only held very little leadership, yet everyone ended killing and starving millions. Atheism will lead us to utopia just as quick as religion.

Atheism and secularism are two different things as was pointed out with communism earlier. BUT, I would love to see your facts. Every single Atheist society ended in killing and starving millions? Can you back that up?

[edit on 29-3-2010 by K J Gunderson]

reply to post by K J Gunderson


Where is YOUR data then?? So crime has gone down yeah? ... I read papers... I have read the stats on uni courses... As for the drugs?? Again I have seen it... Near enough my entire family is on them including most of my secular mates.. In fact most people under the age of 35 in my area are on them... Funny that huh?... Since secularization has been going on for around the same time....

Damn... I am moving to your neck of the woods.. You obviously have it well good

Originally posted by Retrovertigo
reply to post by Yissachar1

 

Given you're speaking from a believers POV I'll simply agree to disagree rather than debate what you've said, and leave it at that

well now, that's telling, isn't it?

not surprising, though.

Originally posted by Equinox99
This is the opinion of one man, why do people start blaming every Christian for one hardcore? Would you backlash at all Atheists if one says every single Christian is a child diddler?

i wouldn't, but i'd easily bet on most "christians" doing so.

reply to post by K J Gunderson

Communism was a comprehensive, all-embracing religion and not simply a political party, political system or philosophy. This fact is illustrated by the numerous ways in which Communism embraced and attemped to promulgate peculiar quasi-religious (and often clearly anti-scientific) beliefs which had nothing all to do with politics or government. Although Communism typically touted itself as anti-religious and pro-science, it was, in fact, deeply anti-scientific and clearly a religion. One of Communism's hallmarks in the Soviet Union and China was its aggressive and violent suppression of other religions. Communism was "anti-religious" only in the sense that it forcibly suppressed all religions other than itself. From: Colin MacCabe, Godard: A Portrait of the Artist at Seventy, Farrar, Straus and Giroux: New York (2003), page 398:
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His dedication was to his state, not to God. He was an Atheist, and if you would like I could back up my claims even more.

Kim Il-Sung

The persecution of religious and cultural institutions in North Korea began
with the assumption of power by Kim Il-Sung in 1948. Buddhism,
Christianity, and the native religion of Chondokyo were among the first
targets of the communist dictator, who immediately ordered the arrest and
execution of prominent spiritual leaders. This process expanded to entire
communities of believers following the Korean War, a period which witnessed
entire towns -- accused of being "tainted" by religion -- exiled into remote
provinces for the purpose of forced labor. By 1960, the government would
proudly boast that all vestiges of native or imported religion -- and the
culture it entailed -- had been purged from the worker's paradise. North
Korea soon joined Albania as the only two nations in the world where
religious expression was specifically outlawed.
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David Kowalewski

State atheism has been defined by David Kowalewski as the official "promotion of atheism" by a government, typically by active suppression of religious freedom and practice.[1]

State promotion of atheism as a public norm was first practiced during a brief period in Revolutionary France. Only socialist states have done so since. State atheism may include active opposition to religion, and persecution of religious institutions, leaders and believers. The Soviet Union had a long history of state atheism,[2] in which social success largely required individuals to profess atheism and stay away from churches; this attitude was especially militant under Joseph Stalin.[3][4][5] The Soviet Union attempted to suppress religion over wide areas of its influence, including places like central Asia.[6] The Socialist People's Republic of Albania under Enver Hoxha went so far as to officially ban the practice of every religion.[7]
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You could say it was love for their state, but they seen religion as evil and tainted. That is why they did not believe in a higher being, which meant they were atheists.

Originally posted by Yissachar1
reply to post by K J Gunderson

 

Where is YOUR data then??

I ask you to provide some facts to back up the claims you came in here to make and your response is to turn it back on me? Is that really the best response you can give?

So crime has gone down yeah?

... I read papers... I have read the stats on uni courses... As for the drugs?? Again I have seen it... Near enough my entire family is on them including most of my secular mates.. In fact most people under the age of 35 in my area are on them... Funny that huh?... Since secularization has been going on for around the same time....

First it was every other and now it is most? You went from half the people to a majority of the people plus your entire family without explaining how you come by this knowledge. Do you know every single person in your town? Are you privy to every single person's personal medication? Please tell me how you come by this?

When I make a claim about all the people my city, you can demand I back it up, OK?

Damn... I am moving to your neck of the woods.. You obviously have it well good

Apparently so. Where you live, the amount of people on class A drugs has gone from half to most in less than 20 minutes. I would not live their either.

Originally posted by Equinox99
reply to post by K J Gunderson

 

His dedication was to his state, not to God. He was an Atheist, and if you would like I could back up my claims even more.

Kim Il-Sung


David Kowalewski

You could say it was love for their state, but they seen religion as evil and tainted. That is why they did not believe in a higher being, which meant they were atheists.

Uh huh and...? That is still not secularism. Are you trying to prove an atheist hated religion? Yeah, I got that. Atheism is still not secularism.

::sigh:: ::sigh::

atheism is defined as the lack of belief in a deity(ies)

that is all, peeps. that is all. no economic view, no governmental leaning, no point of view on the easter bunny, no concept of devil worship, no opinion on the neighborhood avon lady, no view on global thermonuclear war ... just no belief in a god(s). that is all, k?

Originally posted by K J Gunderson

Originally posted by Equinox99
reply to post by K J Gunderson

 

His dedication was to his state, not to God. He was an Atheist, and if you would like I could back up my claims even more.

Kim Il-Sung


David Kowalewski

You could say it was love for their state, but they seen religion as evil and tainted. That is why they did not believe in a higher being, which meant they were atheists.

Uh huh and...? That is still not secularism. Are you trying to prove an atheist hated religion? Yeah, I got that. Atheism is still not secularism.

I don't understand what more you want. Do you want me to build a time machine and show you?

reply to post by K J Gunderson

the reason is you are taring every christian with the same brush and i have heard the same rubbish on this site alot wich is just wrong do you think no one else do these crimes so why is it that some athiest not all i might add use this as there big argument it does not matter what you believe we are all capable of crime and probably the reason prison is a good place to be saved is jesus goes where he is needed the most as in the bible where jesus dines with the tax colectors and other notables

[edit on 29-3-2010 by digby888]