The American way. The Right way. THE ONLY WAY!

Originally posted by [davinci]
reply to post by Subjective Truth

 

Ease off the meds friend.

Again, what exactly is your problem?

What is it that you feel Canada is pushing on you?

You stand up on a high horse and then ask if I have taken my meds?



I read post after post from Canadians saying that progressive ideals are the way to go and they work great for you guys. This is fine but you must realise that I can rebut anything you write with the same freedom you have just used.


I don't like what Canada and for the matter Europe has become. The progressives are taking freedoms left and right and the people cheers just like they did for Hitler in the 1930s in Germany. This is how I view it you have seriously as a people fallen to the so called dark side and I disagree with it on every level.

Originally posted by drwizardphd

Originally posted by Subjective Truth

The squeaky wheel will get the grease. Whether it is free speech or pushing your system on us. You don't here me talking about Spain do you. You reap what you sow and you guys sow anti-freedom progressive ideals that I find abhorrent. Does it make sense now?

Seriously, let it go.

You're just making us look bad. I don't even think you understand what you are talking about anymore.

Fight your own fight I dont even know who you are? And I doubt we are on the same side. I speak for myself and you should try and do the same.

Originally posted by Subjective Truth

Fight your own fight I dont even know who you are? And I doubt we are on the same side. I speak for myself and you should try and do the same.

We are both human. We are both on the same "side".

Seriously, this "side" crap is killing us. I think you are just acting a little irrationally towards our neighbors to the north, and are perhaps basing that irrationality on a misconception that they are trying to indoctrinate us with progressive ideals or some other such nonsense.

reply to post by Subjective Truth


For the third time, what are you talking about?

Specifics please.

The only thing I've seen you directly mention is our refusal to give racists and bigots a platform.

Please tell me that isn't what you so cryptically keep refering to. Please tell me that refusing to allow blind hatred a foothold in our society isn't your problem.

[edit on 24-3-2010 by [davinci]]

Originally posted by drwizardphd

Originally posted by Subjective Truth

The squeaky wheel will get the grease. Whether it is free speech or pushing your system on us. You don't here me talking about Spain do you. You reap what you sow and you guys sow anti-freedom progressive ideals that I find abhorrent. Does it make sense now?

Seriously, let it go.

You're just making us look bad. I don't even think you understand what you are talking about anymore.

What does you are making us look bad mean? Does this imply a side? Are you for real like I said before speak for yourself and unless you have a point to make about what I think about Canada stop TROLLING me.

Originally posted by Subjective Truth

Originally posted by [davinci]
reply to post by Subjective Truth

 

Ease off the meds friend.

Again, what exactly is your problem?

What is it that you feel Canada is pushing on you?

You stand up on a high horse and then ask if I have taken my meds?



I read post after post from Canadians saying that progressive ideals are the way to go and they work great for you guys. This is fine but you must realise that I can rebut anything you write with the same freedom you have just used.


I don't like what Canada and for the matter Europe has become. The progressives are taking freedoms left and right and the people cheers just like they did for Hitler in the 1930s in Germany. This is how I view it you have seriously as a people fallen to the so called dark side and I disagree with it on every level.

You did not list any freedoms you have that Canadians do not...

And

if you are honest with yourself you KNOW you got the bit above from Beck-

The nationalism that is motivating your responses IS the KEY to ANY TOTALITARIAN RULE, without unquestioning nationalism - totalitarianism is impossible.

Not every dump smells flowery fresh, goes for you and everyone all the same

list your exclusive freedoms or let go of the eagles and watch your true freedom grow,
you taut individualism yet cling to the group think of nationalism, which are opposite notions

[edit on 24-3-2010 by Janky Red]

[edit on 24-3-2010 by Janky Red]

Originally posted by [davinci]
reply to post by Subjective Truth

 

For the third time, what are you talking about?

Specifics please.

The only thing I've seen you directly mention is our refusal to give racists and bigots a platform.

Please tell me that isn't what you so cryptically keep refering to. Please tell me that refusing to allow blind hatred a foothold in our society isn't your problem.

OK we will start there who determines who is a racist or a bigot? And is man fallible in his judgement? This is not free speech and once you open the door more and more speech will be banned.


You call what you have free speech when it is not. What if they decide ATS is hate speech and incites? Will you change you opinion then?

..."our way" = nationalistic bs = fantasy...

...there is no such thing as "the american way", "the aussie way", "the british way", "the canadian way" - insert your own country or whatever group you want to attempt to raise to a false sense of supremacy or unitedness...

...you put 1000 sober texans together in a room and you're likely to get 900 different viewpoints... flood the room with shiner and you'll get 7000 different viewpoints, lmao... do the same in utah, you'll get 300 different viewpoints cuz thats an anal bunch and they dont drink beer, lmao...

...canadians, well, yanno, they tawlk funny up there but i've never met one i wanted to shoot... caint say the same for newyarkers...

reply to post by Janky Red


I have the right to have a opinion and just like I think it is wrong to make women were a head dress I think it is wrong for Canadians to not have free speech. Its called a opinion.

[edit on 24-3-2010 by Subjective Truth]

We don't have free speech? hmpf. learn sumtin' new everyday.

Originally posted by hhcore
We don't have free speech? hmpf. learn sumtin' new everyday.

If you live in Canada you are right you don't. It is up to TPTB judgement and you could fall on the wrong side by the way the wind blows . This is not free speech.

Originally posted by intrepid
OK, before anyone goes off on the OP or the title, read the thread first please.

As a Canadian and a concerned neighbor, I've seen some really frightening trends on the board lately from our southern brothers. Anything that is contrary to the status quo is politicized and "rights" are thrown around without thinking, "Hmm, maybe this would be an idea worth listening to." Even when the topic is about another country.

My country has been attacked of late for the following reasons:

Health Care
Free speech issues
Our economy
Social issues(abortion, Gay rights, etc)

Just to name the easy ones.

My question is this, if you take the politics and patriotism out of these issues, what's wrong with seeing another point of view? What sets you guys off on a shoot and destroy mission anything that it isn't OUR" way?

There are better ways of doing things. That's evolution of man. If you miss it isn't that a bad thing? You won't see it in your media. Be thankful for the Net and places like ATS. We're international, many different ideas. Start looking. Start thinking.

This isn't a recent trend and nor is it a phase. If anything, I've seen it for years on this site, long before I became a member. If I'm completely honest, I've seen it everywhere for the last 13 years or so since I started using the internet.

That's why much of the current boo-hooing from Americans of late about how there's too many allegedly anti-American threads. They ought to try being from another country (yeah, yeah, as if "America #1!" and all that...) and see what it's like to be told that the American way is the right way, that all other ways are the wrong way and how the American way would 'fix' what happens in another country. I'm #ing sick of hearing how guns or some Freedom of Speech legislation &c., would solve Britain's problems.

It's incredibly unpopular when non-Americans (or rather non-North Americans) speak this way about America and Americans. Apparently, then we don't understand America or Americans and as we just don't 'get it', our comments are pointless. Often we're told about how we don't know enough about America or Americans to comment: despite it never preventing an America in his or hers life from commenting about somewhere else.

Originally posted by Subjective Truth
reply to post by Janky Red

 

I have the right to have a opinion and just like I think it is wrong to make women were a head dress I think it is wrong for Canadians to not have free speech. Its called a opinion.

[edit on 24-3-2010 by Subjective Truth]

I have no problem with opinion-

but you made an assertion in a heated debate

Because you have fallen on your knees in front of the progressive agenda and we are not ready to live on our knees like you guys and gals up to the north yet.

This makes the implied claim that you are privy to more extensive freedom, I think you are are just talking patriotic because you identify with the pride it provides you.
I just want you to question your own beliefs as much as you question the progressive agenda, nothing is pure as everything has consequence. You need to distill your own ideas, I say this because you have persuade notions that are indicative of group think
of which nationalism is the father...

your pride should be in your willingness to protest American policies as America (government being the representative body) should not be master of your ideas!

You should be, for better or for worse -

reply to post by Subjective Truth

Originally posted by [davinci]
reply to post by Subjective Truth

 

For the third time, what are you talking about?

Specifics please.

The only thing I've seen you directly mention is our refusal to give racists and bigots a platform.

Please tell me that isn't what you so cryptically keep refering to. Please tell me that refusing to allow blind hatred a foothold in our society isn't your problem.

So that is it.

Your bitter because a speech by a racist was cancelled. It upsets you that Canada isn't a haven for White Supremacy, that the PUBLIC protested Ann Coulter's speech and HER security staff pulled the plug.

Sorry friend, I have no time for that type of BS.

Especially considering she was invited here and then refused to show up at a venue when protestors were outside. You're mad because a racist was exposed as the coward that she really is; all talk from behind a locked door.

[edit on 24-3-2010 by [davinci]]

reply to post by Merriman Weir


You would need alot more then guns and free speech to fix Britains problems. They have embraced progressive ideals just like the Canadians and what does this lead to.


Less freedom senors on you garbage the Internet being censored and bad food being taken away and so on........


People needed something and they gave it to the security but true security can not be given it has to come form the inside out if you catch my drift.

reply to post by [davinci]


No time to explain you thoughts on free speech. I guess they have already won are you afraid of them? I could understand if you were I don't know just like you don't know were that imaginary line is do you?


And no that is not it--- does a canadian have the right to protect their families?

[edit on 24-3-2010 by Subjective Truth]

Originally posted by Clearskies
reply to post by drwizardphd

 

I'm sorry, but that "I'm better than you" attitude can be found anywhere.
The British might think America is 'below' them, many others as well.
Circular logic and ignorance know no national borders.

Speaking as someone who is British, I'm not really familiar with this view at all. It's actually contrary to to the idea of British which is a union of countries drawn-up together. Similarly, there's also the Commonwealth, which is another 'coming-together'.

I honestly think that a lot of the "British" attitude towards Americans is more a case of 'who the # do you think you are?' as in 'who do you think you are to think you're better than us?' rather than us thinking we're actually better than you. There's a big important difference there. It's the difference between Americans going on and on about being #1 and non-Americans saying 'no you're not' and being critical of Americans but still not saying 'no, my country is #1!' Honestly, I never hear any significant amount of people from any other country other than America speak the way they do.

Originally posted by Janky Red

Originally posted by hawkiye
Every socialist democracy in history has failed the same way.

As one of our American founding fathers Benjamin Franklin once said Those who give up Liberty for Security deserve neither and will have neither! God helps us all...

"...the well being of the poor and retched is a duty charged to private, public and charitable means and funds, for the health of the retch is the health of a nation."

Ben Franklin Penn Gazette - 1743

First of all I suspect that quote is bogus. I have some copies of the Penn Gazzette and no such quote is in them. I could be wrong but I would love for you to substantiate that quote in one of the published Penn Gazettes and attributed to Ben Frankin. He bought the paper and often published statements from others. It may have been attributed him as the editor but I doubt he actually wrote it or if it turns out he did it is likely completely out of context..

Having said that if your intent was to suggest Ben Frankin would advocate government forcing men to give to the poor through taxes or other means you are sadly mistaken. He like most men of his time would espouse the Christian doctrine of helping the poor but only voluntarily not by any means of force, coercion, or socialism.

I'll leave you with this quote from him:

The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.
Benjamin Franklin

i ask, what is so wrong with sticking to an ideal of your own or with having pride and confidence in it? why change? to make others feel good about their indecision? to be nice or civil?

Originally posted by Clark Savage Jr.
So we stick by 'our' way because we all know damned well that, believe it or not, our way is STILL worth preserving.

That's great and, for right or wrong, perhaps to be applauded. However, preserving the American Way and proclaiming the American Way to be the best way or the only way are very different things. I see a lot less of the former, sorry.

Also, the idea that America is somehow special because it can dig deep and pull together when it needs to is pretty strange. That's not a particularly American trait and is something that can be seen the world over.

[edit on 24-3-2010 by Merriman Weir]