The American way. The Right way. THE ONLY WAY!

reply to post by intrepid


I have several European friends online... They can be difficult to talk to, because they are so set on that "American's are ignorant" mentallity, that they fail to realize they are ignorant themselves and are merely gazing at a different perception of life and saying "It's all wrong" just was we do to them

I think humans are naturally arrogant, ignorant, and head strong. It takes more than a good intention to over come this.

reply to post by drwizardphd

One thing I can say for sure is, all of my friends from other countries have always made the same comment about Americans: We are ignorant. It's sad but true. I have learned to live with it, and with the exception of the highly educated, it seems to be the norm around here.

I just wanted to repost your HIGHER THAN THOU attitude comment again. Sorry, if anyone thinks I read this wrong, read it again.

Buttt juh seea usss ignuarant fowk jist dew knot undirstaand!

Originally posted by WTFover
I feel that a large amount of, what you see as arrogance, is actually arguments in defense of our way of life. I'll admit starting a thread, originally intended as such. Unfortunately, it turned ugly and I, ultimately, regretted opening that can of worms.

Defending your way of life is fine, nothing wrong with that, the issue is trying to impose your way of life as THE ONLY WAY on others. That is what the OP and most non-American (and a lot of Americans) refer to as "arrogance".

To OP: Only recently you notice this trend?

reply to post by endisnighe


Nice.

Those were actually two separate thoughts. Hence why they were originally separated by being in different paragraphs.

But it's nice to see that you can twist my words around to suit your own needs.

Regardless, I stand by it. With the exception of the well-traveled and well-educated members of society, we are incredibly ignorant of world affairs in this country.

Whether it's the same around the world is not my place to say.

Education has a big part to play in this: I'm not saying that Americans aren't educated, just the education seems to end at the US borders. When I was in high school I was working at a fast food restaurant when a family from Maine arrived in fur coats looking for the closest place to go skiing.

I live in New Brunswick and this was in August.

Want another example? What caused the fires in 1814 that saw the White House and Congress burned to the ground. I was watching a show in the last week about that very topic...

Americans know about the fires, but the cause is never discussed.

Without focusing on the bad, the 20th century saw the US acheive some fantastic things across a massive range of disciplines. Like the British before them, the US has been a great force for progress in the world. Similarily like the Brits, there is an arrogance that to a degree has been earned.

It is when that arrogance turns into an ignorance of all things not American that there is a problem.



reply to post by Terapin


I assume you are refering to back bacon?

Those thinly sliced peices of heaven, lovingly trimmed with corn meal? Decadently salty but not sinfully so. Perfectly sized for patties of Alberta beef and, dare I say it, PEI cheese.

I too long wondered the truth behind such a masterful creation: as years passed into decades I accepted that such epiphanies of culinary genius are beyond my humble understanding.

Slap that sh#t on my plate and get to a safe distance.

Fingers have been lost due to carelessness.

[edit on 24-3-2010 by [davinci]]

reply to post by drwizardphd


I understand your point, but it is rather subjective you have to admit.

And you can look around this site alone and pretty much see the ignorance certainly crosses national borders.

Yeah too many of my countrymen do play into that arrogance. I will disagree that travel dispels that. I haven't traveled very much, but I have had the good fortune to meet a lot of people from other countries. Let me tell you it wasn't always easy to make nice because of preconceived notions both sides had. Despite what country your from misconceptions abound. I think that actually talking to someone from another country about a simple topic like what it was like growing up where you were from is the better avenue than politics or religion. Those 2 topics are usually breeding grounds for a conflict. Sorry if I myself ever made a statement that came off as US-centric, I can't speak for others but please bear with us because I think life here is not going to pretty due to recent events. We Americans are having an interesting and stressful time and we are stressed out.

Flame me to guys, I am a piss poor fellow and I see a pride here that is not always beneficial for the country as a whole which extends far beyond economic position.
Often times it manifests in "don't infringe on me useless I practice it in the first place".

For example TX touts its freedom, yet there are booze laws that strangely force others to
adhere to certain religious ideas, set in place by the real PTB religion. Yet the Texan attitude is that they own the notion of freedom is the real FREEDOM - ah but here in awful Big Government Kalifornia I could go right now and buy some DOOBIE, tax free if I wanted to-

However I do NOT have an inflated pride in California even though she allows me the freedom to have more freedom to do unto myself what I chose, more so...

To a large degree this nationalistic tendency can be found around the world - problem is America tends to press this attitude on other nations - cough IRACKK---- since we are the Super power --- spreading freedoms right?

Nevermind the people have a completely different culture that is millennia older than ours is

- These are small embodiments that I recognize - this tude is the gas for such IMO

Americans are fine. We all like Americans

It's a bit touchy in here at the moment, that's true

But at the moment, feelings are running high about an issue over which there remains a great deal of confusion and uncertainty

It does tend to grate a bit after the tenth thread about the same thing, maybe

But, it will sort itself out

Until then, everyone's a bit wary of voicing an opinion re: the new US health-care system, because no matter how hard you might try not to, you're still going to hit someone's buttons

peace and hugs all 'round, eh ?

Freedom from oppression and the ability of the individual to live his or her life a free man or women without government intervention as long as he or she is not oppressing anyone is the right way and the only way!

America used to be the symbol of that, But it no longer is. The attitude you see is Americans taughtt that the American way is the light of the world but too ignorant to realize that way has been supplanted by socialist democracy and fascism long ago yet they still think they are living as we once did. No one is more a slave then those who don't believe they are enslaved when they in fact are.


Anyone who promotes forced socialism/fascism is my enemy I don't care what country you are from. Trying to convince me its not so bad because you too are ignorant like most Americans to know you are slaves makes no difference to me. I know what and how our once free republic was usurped and I will never accept it as just another political point of view because it is the enemy of freedom and the purveyor of tyranny. With that kind of screwed up logic Hitler and Stalin just had another political point of view. And they were Fascist and Socialist.

It is not "evolution" as some claim it is devolution!. When freedom declines in the name of Progress and Security you can be assured the destruction of your society is soon at hand.

The folks in other countries that don't think they have it so bad will soon see the consequence of thier ignorance as the noose of tyranny and totalitarianism under the guise of benevolent socialism/democracy tightens around uoir neck just as Americans are begining to see it now Europe will most likely crash economically before America then what are you going to do when all your socialist programs like supposed free health care disappear?

I hate to say it and I have spent the last 20 years trying to educate people about history and how to stop it so we could avoid it but it seems that there needs to be a major cleansing because of the wilful ignorance of so many people. It will be hell on earth for a while as the great die off commences because so many think they should not have to labor for their living. But you have brought it on us by your ignorance and unwillingness to learn from the mistakes of history. Every socialist democracy in history has failed the same way.

As one of our American founding fathers Benjamin Franklin once said Those who give up Liberty for Security deserve neither and will have neither! God helps us all...

Originally posted by hawkiye
Every socialist democracy in history has failed the same way.

As one of our American founding fathers Benjamin Franklin once said Those who give up Liberty for Security deserve neither and will have neither! God helps us all...

"...the well being of the poor and retched is a duty charged to private, public and charitable means and funds, for the health of the retch is the health of a nation."

Ben Franklin Penn Gazette - 1743

reply to post by intrepid


Its it simple why are we taking aim at Canada? Because you have fallen on your knees in front of the progressive agenda and we are not ready to live on our knees like you guys and gals up to the north yet.



It is like the a pushy religion that wants to convert you. You have been converted and now you want us to share in you new found enlightenment. But don't worry I am sure we will free you from your self imposed cult when the time is right.

reply to post by Subjective Truth




See, the American rage will, in the hands of the wrong (or deliberately provocative poster) target anyone

By the way, what's that your avatar's holding in its hand ?

reply to post by Subjective Truth


I've been reading your posts bashing Canada all night, what exactly is your problem?

I will tell you straight up that no one in Canada wants to be 'liberated' by the US. If you honestly beleive we are living on our knees then try crossing the border with hostile intentions.

I don't understand how you equate tolerance and peace with subjugation.

You live your way, we'll live ours.

Way to completely ignore the entire purpose of this thread and prove the very point it was started to address.

[edit on 24-3-2010 by [davinci]]

Originally posted by Subjective Truth
reply to post by intrepid

 

Its it simple why are we taking aim at Canada? Because you have fallen on your knees in front of the progressive agenda and we are not ready to live on our knees like you guys and gals up to the north yet.

Right here... this is what I mean


What do you mean?

What can YOU do that a Canadian cannot???

Please answer with two or three specifics considering knees is a fairly debilitating position, you must have several examples at least -

Don't chicken out on me, I am counting on you

Originally posted by [davinci]
reply to post by Subjective Truth

 

I've been reading your posts bashing Canada all night, what exactly is your problem?

I will tell you straight up that no one in Canada wants to be 'liberated' by the US. You live your way, we'll live ours.

Way to completely ignore the entire purpose of this thread and prove the very point it was started to address.

The squeaky wheel will get the grease. Whether it is free speech or pushing your system on us. You don't here me talking about Spain do you. You reap what you sow and you guys sow anti-freedom progressive ideals that I find abhorrent. Does it make sense now?

Originally posted by Dock9
reply to post by Subjective Truth

 

See, the American rage will, in the hands of the wrong (or deliberately provocative poster) target anyone

By the way, what's that your avatar's holding in its hand ?

Thankfully for us freedom and liberty and I bet is more then you hold.

reply to post by Subjective Truth


Ease off the meds friend.

Again, what exactly is your problem?

What is it that you feel Canada is pushing on you?

Originally posted by gaurdian2012
excellent post my canuck brother. americans think, no believe they are the center of the planet possibly the universe. there arrogance is there greatest weakness they will fail because they percieve themselves better than the rest of the world. they are in for a rude awakening, there empire will fall like all the others before them. they are allready bankrupt. they have 2 wars they cant afford there banks need bailouts there cars are crap. sorry to offend but anywhere you go on the planet they are hated. next will come CIVIL WAR. i just hope they dont invade canada

Can anyone else taste the Irony in this one?


Gaurdian, friend, fellow poster, guardian: perhaps you might take a step back and realize that painting every single person in an entire country with a wide brush as ignorant due to their preconceptions of themselves with the very same arrogance and lazy English skills is unbefitting anyone here on ATS.


But I suppose we might agree to disagree, as long as I don't tell you how to live your life and you don't tell me not to live my life a way I'm not already living it. Hmm?

Originally posted by Subjective Truth

The squeaky wheel will get the grease. Whether it is free speech or pushing your system on us. You don't here me talking about Spain do you. You reap what you sow and you guys sow anti-freedom progressive ideals that I find abhorrent. Does it make sense now?

Seriously, let it go.

You're just making us look bad. I don't even think you understand what you are talking about anymore.