How Dare You Mr. President and Congress...

Most people I know are in favor of this healthcare bill. Its good to see a president to is for the good of the majority of American people. Its clear that this bill will get Obama elected in 2012 and it would be good for America and the constitution if Obama is re-elected.

Millions of us thank Obama for this patriotic bill.

Before any one calls me a democrat sympathizer or whatever other insult you wanna try and throw my way, I just want to say that I don't like Obama, never liked Obama, never liked any of the presidents I have seen in my time. Seriously, all I want to know is where did all these "constitution loving" people pop out from? Where were you all when Bush trampled on every right of ours that he could. I have no problem with health care reform, it's needed and sorry to say, you are either an ignorant fool or filthy rich if you believe our system is ok. I do have a problem with Obama's healthcare reform but either way, I didn't just pop out of nowhere and start talking about the injustices this government has been committing. This government has been committing injustices against its people for decades now and now all of a sudden, everyone is up in arms behind the constitution. Give me a break. The only thing it leads any rational person to believe is that the amount of bigots still running around this country is larger than I ever thought. Black man tries to pass crummy, unconstitutional health care reform and here come the bigots up in arms behind the constitution. White man drags you into war for no reason, takes your rights, attacks his own citizens, passes the first of stimulus to prop up the rich and no one says a damn thing. I can almost guarantee you if Bush had done this, people would have been singing his praises from all over. I need to call you out because I'm sick of this. Compared to every other thing that has been stripped from us and is going to be taken from us, healthcare is the least of my worries, and I am uninsured.

reply to post by Jimmy910130


Thank you Jimmy, but first off, how the hell can you use an Avatar with Dribble?


I actually never even knew that Hawaii had a healthcare system.

The US is a HUGE country. Our States are the size of a lot of countries. Now my state has a health care system. A lot of States do not. That is how it is supposed to work. We as a Nation are supposed to be a conglomerate of Nation States. That is how our country was set up.

That is why a LOT of us are getting peeved. The Federal Government that deals with our foreign friends is beginning to treat us exactly the same way they treat you.

Do you understand our problem in that context? They feel they know what is best for you, just like they are starting to decide for us.

Anyway, Peace and God Bless.

Originally posted by Jimmy910130
First off, I am not republican nor am I a democrat, hell, I'm not even American. But I'm literally getting p.o'd seeing all these threads about 'F*** Health care' and then another one 'Yay for Health Care' . If your going to speak ill of something, make sure you speak in the first person, not generalizing your whole country because not everyone agrees with you (I'm not referring only to the OP, I am referring to all of these threads, and to your president, who speaks in generalizing terms also).

Personally, I know their 2 very different kinds of health care, but here in Canada, I love my health care: Saved my father from cancer, saved me from bacterial meningitis, my cousin from leukemia, is currently treating my grandmother for lung cancer, treated me when I was 15 and got hit by a car, is treating my grandfather's arthritis, treated my uncle's prostate cancer, ect ect for---- no charge. But this is here. And I guess it really can't compare as to what I am hearing.

Few questions: How much is an average American going to pay for health care?

Is it going to be similar to Hawaii's government mandated health care, which they have had for close to 40 years and which they all seem to love?

And, if your living in your car, and posting here, it means you have a laptop, and/or running out your internet bill or your car battery, no?

If you could have an alternative to this health care reform, what would it be exactly?

Are you willing to help/share/pay for one of your citizens who is in dire need of medical help/treatment?

Thanks for your answers,

-Jimmy-

No taxes in Canada? Where does this money tree exist that the government plucks bills from to pay for your services?

Thank you Obama for being a true American, we are very appreciative that you are doing the good for the American people. This bill is what most people want and it is making Republicans very very nervous about ever having a chance to be elected in the next 20 years.

Obama is a true American Patriot.

And America thanks him for being honest

reply to post by skoalman88


Were referring to out of pocket expenses.

All health care in Canada is factored into our Tax System.

Income & Sales.

We don't really know how much exactly it's costing us per Capita, but it's a hell of a lot less than the rest of West.

~Keeper

Originally posted by sharklive6
Most people I know are in favor of this healthcare bill. Its good to see a president to is for the good of the majority of American people. Its clear that this bill will get Obama elected in 2012 and it would be good for America and the constitution if Obama is re-elected.

Millions of us thank Obama for this patriotic bill.

Actually the un/underinsured figure is like 30 million which is only 10% of the populace so the majority of the people argument is BS.

reply to post by tothetenthpower


How do you know its less if you don't know how much it is exactly?

Originally posted by conspiracy88
The only thing it leads any rational person to believe is that the amount of bigots still running around this country is larger than I ever thought. Black man tries to pass crummy, unconstitutional health care reform and here come the bigots up in arms behind the constitution. White man drags you into war for no reason, takes your rights, attacks his own citizens, passes the first of stimulus to prop up the rich and no one says a damn thing. I can almost guarantee you if Bush had done this, people would have been singing his praises from all over. I need to call you out because I'm sick of this. Compared to every other thing that has been stripped from us and is going to be taken from us, healthcare is the least of my worries, and I am uninsured.

Yeah, no one ever said anything about the things GW did.....

reply to post by skoalman88


Easy, when 33 Million people pay into the program and I pay NO out of pocket, almost ever, I know it's cheaper.

Just look at my son for Example.

He's got a Auto Immune Difiency, requires constant care and medical attention.

A friend of mine living in Nebraska has the same thing, his medications cost him like 50K a year.

I don't pay a red cent other than the taxes I pay which have actually gone down in the past 10 years for some reason or another.

The price of care in Canada is far less.

~Keeper

Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas
reply to post by weedwhacker

 

Really?

I've got time, huh?

I see it the other way in that there is no time like the present.

Mandatory purchasing is tantamount to stealing my wallet and buying something.

Without my consent.

Then putting my wallet back with nothing left in it.

Oh yes, almost like right now, since I'm living out of my car.

Originally posted by paraphi
Is this not what democracy is all about? Get an issue, argue about it and make the necessary concessions etc., then vote on it.

Oh, I know the losers often cry "foul", but then if the result had gone the other way...

Sorry to simplify it, but there you are. If you do not like it then the next time you vote you make your vote count and maybe the issue which has got you so vexed will be changed.

Regards

And this has what to do with the context of this thread?

I did not vote this man into office and I would be saying the same thing if McCain had got in.

And voting is not the end of our responsibility, it is but the beginning of it.

I am a registered Independent, neither Republican nor Democrat.

And I am not claiming my side lost, but all sides, America as a whole lost.

[edit on 23-3-2010 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

I thinks its safe to say anything "MANDATORY" is nothing more than "EXTORTION" and there are remedies under Law for EXTORTION and EXTORTIONISTS. We should use them and if they defeat them in court, we need to find a good hemp rope and very very tall tree !

S & F

This message was bought and paid for by the American Tax payers dollars which was decided on from behind closed doors of the Tax and Spend Democratic Socialists of America.

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to post by skoalman88

 

Easy, when 33 Million people pay into the program and I pay NO out of pocket, almost ever, I know it's cheaper.

Just look at my son for Example.

He's got a Auto Immune Difiency, requires constant care and medical attention.

A friend of mine living in Nebraska has the same thing, his medications cost him like 50K a year.

I don't pay a red cent other than the taxes I pay which have actually gone down in the past 10 years for some reason or another.

The price of care in Canada is far less.

~Keeper

I think prescription drug costs differ from health care costs though. Canada has less expensive drugs, we all know that. But doesn't it have to do with the fact that American patent laws do no apply? Or something to that effect (affect?)

But that is irrelevant since this is mandatory health care (dr.s visits, surgery) not drug coverage.

en.wikipedia.org...

Yes, I know its wikipedia, but it does illustrate the differences in taxation in US v. Canada....if the info is accurate (undoubtedly it is, of course) : )

I think the issue is: you all pay taxes which go to funding the government provided service (no?) unlike here where the government is forcing us to buy policies from private corporations. (GL to ur son)

[edit on 23-3-2010 by skoalman88]

I'm very interested to see just how this is going to be stopped. If the powers that be have been waiting hundreds of years to get this passed, will letters, protests, bricks through windows, and angry rantings on Internet forums really be enough?

It makes me laugh when people post things like the OP.

The government passes things DAILY that a large portion of the country don't like.

There is ANOTHER SIDE TO THE VIEW DON'T YOU KNOW?

Originally posted by SonicInfinity
I'm very interested to see just how this is going to be stopped. If the powers that be have been waiting hundreds of years to get this passed, will letters, protests, bricks through windows, and angry rantings on Internet forums really be enough?

I dare say the bricks through windows, Barney Frank being called a fa*, and all the other nasty things "tea party" people "did" were created to make the opinion of the tea party people as unattractive as possible. But then again, the government or a political party would never resort to such tactics...

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas


Hey Genius, how about moving?

You're local conservative government appears to have failed you. Move to a city where you can take advantage of programs that will help you get on your feet and back into the workforce where you can be a productive member of society instead of a bum.

You see, the people are the strength of America. If We the People are taken care of it makes the country stronger. It even increases Patriotism and national pride.

I think it is a better approach than the conservative way of artificial Patriotism achieved with un-necessary Wars and conflict. The short term gains in Patriotism / Nationalism turn to remorse and shame in the long run. It truly is Constructive Government vs Destructive Government.



[edit on 23-3-2010 by Bahb3]

You can not mandate a purchase, and have a focused end result of profit directed toward any entity or industry.
CANNOT!
Healthcare, insurance, doctors, hospitals, drugs, forced participation?
OKAY, Manadatory Education, highschool plus minimum 2 years of college.
Better educated populace better minds, and if they dont go theyre fined? or parents go to jail if they cant pay fines?
It opens a can of worms, first off telling me HOW TO spend my money that is compensation for my labor and not truly income, and THEN mandating I participate and that participation will be monitored by the IRS?
These people make me sick, they are sickening, they are liars and lazy and self inflated and need their asses kicked back into the swirling vortex of darkness from where they spawned.
SWIFT action need be taken now.
The S.C. needs to kill this now!

Commerce and Supremacy Clause. Also, the 10th? Please, these powers are already specifically allocated to the Federal Government.

Only the fringe is against this bill. Once people actually research, then they will realize what they are missing out on.

Originally posted by skoalman88

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to post by skoalman88

 

Easy, when 33 Million people pay into the program and I pay NO out of pocket, almost ever, I know it's cheaper.

Just look at my son for Example.

He's got a Auto Immune Difiency, requires constant care and medical attention.

A friend of mine living in Nebraska has the same thing, his medications cost him like 50K a year.

I don't pay a red cent other than the taxes I pay which have actually gone down in the past 10 years for some reason or another.

The price of care in Canada is far less.

~Keeper

I think prescription drug costs differ from health care costs though. Canada has less expensive drugs, we all know that. But doesn't it have to do with the fact that American patent laws do no apply? Or something to that effect (affect?)

But that is irrelevant since this is mandatory health care (dr.s visits, surgery) not drug coverage.

en.wikipedia.org...

Yes, I know its wikipedia, but it does illustrate the differences in taxation in US v. Canada....if the info is accurate (undoubtedly it is, of course) : )

I think the issue is: you all pay taxes which go to funding the government provided service (no?) unlike here where the government is forcing us to buy policies from private corporations. (GL to ur son)

[edit on 23-3-2010 by skoalman88]

Yes exactly, we pay for the Government funded health care, and we have private insurance for prescription coverage. Blue Cross and that sort of thing.

For roughly 200 a year I get full dental, eye vision and prescription coverage for my entire family.

My employees pay 5$ a pay for a prescription drug plan that entitles them to THOUSANDS of dollars of prescription drugs.

The drugs are expensive here, but my plan, each covered prescription, which would be mandatory drugs like chemotherapy, insulin that sort of thing, costs 5$ a prescription, the drug company covers the rest.

So it's kind of like the opposite of your guys.

~Keeper