Baby Bible Bashers, Christian child abuse?

The kids haven't come to their opinions by themselves, it is obvious. It has been showed down on their throats by their hating parents, religious sects of hatred, and other peer groups they may have.

It is indeed a shame to see stuff like this, how parents are making their children suffer (yes, they will suffer because of their attitudes throughout their future lives). Purely and utterly disgusting.



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reply to post by The Parallelogram


I've been trying to work out the emotion I am feeling while watching the museum clip. I think it is just sadness. Maybe fused with a little anger over the ignorance involved, but generally just sadness as I watch these kids absorb utter nonsense and encouraged to disregard science and history. I am all for both sides to a story, but when kids are taught the theory of evolution, they aren't told in the next breath that they should ignore creationism. This clip is made even worse by seeing parents standing alongside their children and nodding with total agreement.

reply to post by Mystery_Lady


Okay, I am happy to debate this, but leave god at the forum door. A website that so wildly distorts fact from fiction must have a hidden agenda. And it does at the very end when it asks about being saved and born again. From what I ask. Harry Potter?

reply to post by K J Gunderson

Don't you think there is a difference between reading out loud and actively preaching and indoctrinating others as well as being indoctrinated yourself?

There's one hell of a difference between reading out loud and persuading a child that they can cure diseased people just by touching them with a magik finger.

What is notable is the strange way that christians very often use Islam to somehow try and defend their repugnant actions.

If an atheist taught his child to act in the manner of these sorry abused children and publicly admonish christians for being deluded subversives. His child would probably be whisked off inot car a bit quick.

The voice of reason seems to be constantly monitored and kept in check by few deluded people who have maneuvered themselves into positions of authority with the ability to stamp out that which questions their bizarre beliefs.

Although christianity claims to act from a position of love its' foundations are built form hatred. The overwhelming message of the bible god is that it hates everything that does not comply to its' will.

To take the sponge like mind of a child and fill it full of this absolute nonsense and then instruct it to hide behind a facade of good will is totally abhorrent.

There is a very fine line between teaching a child to point a finger at what it has been taught is "sinful" and the child, coming to its' own conclusions based on insane reasoning. Then the elevated child putting a plastic bag over the "sinners" head and dragging him off to the "killing fields".

Children learn efficiently. All that children do is mimic and turn the learned things in their own purposes. A comparison between child and moon is not far fetched; they reflect the light they absorb from sun, in their own manner. If you ever observe kids, you'd know this. They hear a story from adult (or from any source), they repeat it by inserting few of their own imaginations/perceptions into it.

Jung said that if a child would have psychological problems, he would rather take the parents into analysis; based on above reason.

This preaching raises also the question of child labour. And besides, children are not juridically repsonsible, so it seems almost unethical.

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reply to post by pieman

weather or not you believe there is a god as described by these people, they believe there is and they are teaching what they believe to be the truth to their children.

To teach a child that a homosexual is a dysfunctional lawbreaker that should be put to death is abuse of the child period.

If I were to teach this to my child in the secular world my child would be taken into care, and rightly so.

To teach a child that it is good kill a perceived enemy then take his virgin children for ones own pleasures is totally repugnant, and abuse of the young mind period.


If you remove all the morally repugnant instructions of your god from the scriptures, then there is nothing left for mini mullahs and and puny pastors to jump and scream about.

Children shouldn't be taught to be "hardcore" anything. If the parent wants to teach them about the bible, it is up to the parents. A child shouldn't be paraded to preach in front of crowds until maybe 18+. They simply do not understand what they are saying and why they are saying it.

A child is not smart enough to make choices like some people think. Hence why they can't enter contracts until they are 18 years old.

But to say it should be up to the children if they want to learn the bible? It should really be up to the parents what they teach their children. As long as they are trying to instill good morals and ethics.

reply to post by Donny 4 million

I am sorry I cannot view the video. But I will call you on this thread anyway. Can you show where the children bash the bible? Can you prove CHILD ABUSE? Have you reported it? Prove or demonstrate how you exactly know it is more repugnant than kiddy porn. Should we be reporting you because it seems you know all about it. I think ATS would be proper to investigate that type individual and have them removed from the boards. BTW I see kids in suits not diapers-these are not even babies.

Well well well, what's going on here then ? Has this thread exposed a christian fundie conspiracy within ATS.

The OP got banned !

I checked back over his posts and nothing ! now warnings, no T&C violations no posts removed nothing !!!!

Whats going on here ? Have the christian fundies infiltrated ATS and are stamping out any questioning of their beliefs ?

Is ATS becoming a christian conspiracy website ?

Will I now get banned by the christians of ATS for voicing my concerns over the possible christian conspiracy ?

reply to post by TELEX


WTF are you talking about? The OP clearly did not get banned. Please go and check again before trying to expose the Christian conspiracy.
**EDIT**
My apologies. The user did get banned, and you exposed a Christian conspiracy within ATS.

With that being said, why was the OP banned?


[edit on 24-3-2010 by Equinox99]

reply to post by yodagod


Wow these kids know there bibles better then me! Way to go kids, their parents are clearly on the right track. Loved the vids made my morning! Thanks for sharing them.

With that being said, why was the OP banned?

reply to post by Equinox99



Indeed why ? I've been watching in the shadows for sometime now and there seems to be quite a bit of unexplained banning going on in religious concpiarcy threads.

Looking back over some of the other threads there appears to be simialirities, ie opposers of christianity just suddenly getting switched off with no good a reason.

I will go back and re read some more threads because soemthing is not quite right here. How many christians are actually running ATS ?

How is it possible for a christian to be unbias in relation to those that would reject their cult and expose it as a money making control tool ? This would appear to be a contradiction in terms.

If the regulators of ATS are raised with the same type of metality as the children in these videos, how on earth is it possible to have unbias discussion a conspiracy that they themselves are prticipants in ?

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Originally posted by TELEX
To teach a child that a homosexual is a dysfunctional lawbreaker that should be put to death is abuse of the child period.

in what regard? teaching children a moral code is a normal part of parenting, it's one of the main roles of the parent, who are you to tell others which morality they should teach their children?

To teach a child that it is good kill a perceived enemy then take his virgin children for ones own pleasures is totally repugnant, and abuse of the young mind period.

first of all, prove this particular teaching was taught to children in those terms. i mean, you have to show me evidence that this teaching is held above the ten commandments, which prohibits murder of any kind, by a christian denomination.

secound of all, once you've shown me that, consider that it is repugnant to you, homosexuality is repugnant to them, but you expect them to teach their children that homosexuality is okay, that's just plain hypocrisy.

If you remove all the morally repugnant instructions of your god from the scriptures, then there is nothing left for mini mullahs and and puny pastors to jump and scream about.

morally repugnant? morality is your opinion of right and wrong, just because you're in the majority, doesn't make you right. the enforcement of your morality on others is one of the roots of evil.

most of what they jump and shout about isn't actually there, i suspect the "reason" is actually an excuse.

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Originally posted by MrXYZ
People can believe whatever they want as long as it doesn't hurt others. Tolerance never hurt anyone!

Last St. Patrick's day I was drinking Guinness with a Muslim and a Jew. I criticized the Muslim for drinking booze, and he told me it's all open for interpretation and nowhere in the Qran does it say he can't drink Guinness. The Jew then told me he believes the world's only a few 1000 years old...and I told him he's a fool. He laughed and ordered us another round. We had fun criticizing each other, was a fun Agnostic vs Muslim vs Jew discussion...but in the end we didn't let religion hold us back from having a good time.

The kids in those videos will NOT be able to enjoy a good time like that. They will be too narrow minded and intolerant. They'll be missing out.

Seems like if you prayed for those children instead of getting sh%# faced with your pardoners that you are so critical of, then you all could go on a world wide UP with Humanity tour .
What would you name your little group?

Originally posted by K J Gunderson

Originally posted by Donny 4 million

Originally posted by Zorzenon
It is fitting though that these are children saying this and that they are preaching a very poorly thought out "theory" (if indeed an imaginary friend can be construed as a theory and not just rubbish).

I can't watch the video.
So could you tell me who the imaginary friend is?

some god.

This one? There are thousands more. Should we take them one at a time?

Names of God - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In the Hebrew scriptures the Jewish name of God is considered sacred and, out of deep respect for the name, Jews do not say the name of God and do not erase ...

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Originally posted by pieman

in what regard? teaching children a moral code is a normal part of parenting, it's one of the main roles of the parent, who are you to tell others which morality they should teach their children?

No. Raising your kids to not be homosexuals would be teaching them a moral code. Telling children that certain people deserve to be murdered is insane. It is also teaching them to judge others and impose punishment which I believe that bible has some pretty clear words against.

All you have to do is listen to the last 15 seconds of the second video to see that the child is clearly being indoctrinated:

Q: "What do you think makes you want to preach?"
A: " I don't know you're going to have to ask my daddy."

Seriously, if people don't see this as damaging to the child's upbringing and natural evolution of their mind, then you're a lost cause.

Originally posted by TELEX
reply to post by Donny 4 million

 

I am sorry I cannot view the video. But I will call you on this thread anyway. Can you show where the children bash the bible? Can you prove CHILD ABUSE? Have you reported it? Prove or demonstrate how you exactly know it is more repugnant than kiddy porn. Should we be reporting you because it seems you know all about it. I think ATS would be proper to investigate that type individual and have them removed from the boards. BTW I see kids in suits not diapers-these are not even babies.

Well well well, what's going on here then ? Has this thread exposed a christian fundie conspiracy within ATS.

The OP got banned !

I checked back over his posts and nothing ! now warnings, no T&C violations no posts removed nothing !!!!

Whats going on here ? Have the christian fundies infiltrated ATS and are stamping out any questioning of their beliefs ?

Is ATS becoming a christian conspiracy website ?

Will I now get banned by the christians of ATS for voicing my concerns over the possible christian conspiracy ?

This is news to me. I was wondering why he never answered my post.
May be you could answer it?
I will check and see if he really got banned and I will check your buddy list while I am at it.

reply to post by TELEX


Death does sound extreme though.
I have nothing against homosexuals myself.
They do not choose to be that way, they can't do much about it IMO.

What about priests, Boy Scout men and Rabbis?
Rabbi's teach the root of creationism!
Weren't they the ones that actually created creationism?
Case in point----


From 100777.com a site for truth seekers.

Case of Rabbi (Alan J.) Shneur Horowitz (Convicted and sentenced to 10 - 20 years in prison for sodomizing a nine-year-old psychiatric patient. Allegedly, he has assaulted a string of children from California to Israel to New York in the past twenty years. Alan J. Horowitz is an Orthodox rabbi, magna cum laude, M.D., Ph.D. A graduate of Duke University, and was a writer for NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association).


Do you think children should at least be taught about homosexuality now

Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.
Luke 18:17

Originally posted by K J Gunderson

Originally posted by nomorecruelty

Homosexuals sometimes have very fruitful, and rich, lives - here on Earth. Look at Elton John for one celeb example.
A person's lifespan, gay or not gay, isn't dependent on sins - although I would imagine there are some people that God takes off the planet because of their evilness -

You are really starting to concern me. I know this. I was pointing this out. So now you need to explain what the bible means about putting them to death. You just admitted that God is not putting them to death so who is supposed to?

Please remember you have already backtracked and shifted your goal posts so this should be easy for you.

You are going to have to make up your mind. You are trying to claim that the bible does not condone murder anywhere and my quotes about putting people to death mean that God will kill them, not other people.

You have now admitted that God is not killing gay people and that he has given permission to stone people to death.

Pick an argument and stick with it.

Ok, maybe this is where the confusion is at - let's look at the definition of "kill" , "put to death" and "murder".




If a person is found guilty of a crime/sin, and is justified via God/Bible for that person to suffer "death", then it would not be considered "murder".
However, if it is a death caused by someone with purely malicious intent, then yes, it would be considered "murder".

For example, capital punishment - The Bible says murderers are to be "put to death". That would be the consequences (punishment) for the particular sin or crime. According to God/Bible, a murderer is to be executed, and his soul is sent directly to God for judgement.

But does that fall under the category of "murder"? No - because it was a justified "killing" - for punishment.

You have to remember that there are different definitions for "murder", "put to death" and "kill/killing". They are not one in the same.

So my final answer still remains - the Bible, nor God, does not condone "murder".
However, he DOES condone the 'killing' of certain people for punishment of their sins. That is the difference.