Baby Bible Bashers, Christian child abuse?

Originally posted by Equinox99
Teaching them morals in the bible and making them preach is a whole different story. I bet you those kids don't understand 3/4 of what is in the bible. They don't have the experience to be able to understand what the real message is behind the teachings. I am 23 and have a hard time finding the message in the bible. What makes you think a 10 year old will understand it?

All very true. In fact, you will be very lucky to find one Christian, minister or not, that has read the Bible they so fervently believe is the actual words God wrote down on paper. I have read the Bible, in fact several of them that are slightly different. I have found many inconsistencies in there, and outright lies too.

The best way to practice the bible is through experience. Take for example, someone who has been working in a trade for years who has built up experience vs someone fresh out of college. The person from college can tell you the theory but will generally have a harder time applying it to real life. With experience you gain the ability to understand things to a greater extent.

I think this makes sense.

Good point. To all Christians: Read that Bible, with a good concordance handy, and by all means do the research on the stories and see that they were taken from earlier tales, such as the Epic, and The First Book of Adam and Eve. Also, do some research on ancient Egyptian Sun worship, and realize this; If TBTP practice Ancient Egyptian Rites and Rituals, you know there is something to it. One last thing, I don't care how many times you read it, you will still be confused, and will have no real understanding at all. Anyone who says they do is sadly mistaken and somewhat brainwashed by religion.

reply to post by LarryLove


Ok, I found this - apparently, the list is categorized into three different age groups - kindergarten through 12th grade - but this particular website/group chose the 7-12 grade list to review -

The list is divided into three main categories: books recommended for grades K-6; books recommended for grades 7-12; and books for teachers. (The books on the list span all genres: fiction, nonfiction, memoirs, even poetry.) Out of curiosity to see exactly what kind of books Kevin Jennings and his organization think American students should be reading in school, our team chose a handful at random from the over 100 titles on GLSEN’s grades 7-12 list, and began reading through.

Source

It would be interesting, and I'm sure someone has already checked, but to see what the Kindergarten through 6th grade books consists of.

If anyone wants to read excerpts from 11 of the books in the 7 - 12th grade category, they are HERE

But again, serious WARNING for GRAPHIC CONTENT -



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You may well believe these children are being abused and indoctrinated. At the end of the day, they will reach a point of decision and maturity in life where they can see things for themselves and cast off what they have been taught.
Alternatively, they may well embrace it with the mature conscientious free minded decision of an adult. At very worst, they are being taught to be ignorant and stupid. But they're not 'hurting' anyone.
I have posted a link below that shows adults approvingly instructing a child in the ways of the koran. Out of all the videos posted so far, tell me which one is the real expose on child abuse and indoctrination?

www.answeringmuslims.com...

Originally posted by nomorecruelty

And too, what exactly are you doing right now in your life, or want to do in the future, that God would ruin that "fun" for you?

Stealing? Murder? Incest? Bestiality? Lying? Vanity? Pride? Worshiping another "god"? Prostitution? Adultery? Slander? Jealousy?

What is God keeping you "from"?

Thinking RATIONALLY! If there's something I don't understand, I'm willing to do research and try to figure it out...and if I can't, accept the fact that I just don't know. The Christian alternative is to claim they KNOW how stuff works (how man was created, start of the universe, etc.) by attributing it to God...without the slightest bit of solid proof. If a Muslim quotes Allah created the universe, and you say it was the Christian god....well...you might both be wrong or right because none of you has better "proof" than the other.

As for "fun" things:

1) I don't believe enjoying art (movies, music, etc.) will turn me into a bad person. I think stating Harry Potter or Lady Gaga is the influenced by Satan is bull#.

2) I don't believe lying will always turn me into a bad person. If my GF shows me some jewelry from her grandma that she really likes because it reminds her of the good times with her...and then asks me if I like it, I will say yes no matter what. I might think to myself that bracelet is the most ugly piece of jewelry I've ever seen, but I think lying is ok if it makes a loved one happy. By Christian standards, this is a sin...

3) I think gays/lesbians have the right to live their lives as they see fit. They don't hurt me by doing so, and they certainly don't hurt anyone by living the lives they were born to live. They didn't choose to be gay, and they have the RIGHT to do express their feelings like everyone else. If you criticize them, you have to accept the fact that others can criticize you too. I don't like Christian fundamentalists for various reason, but I accept that they have the RIGHT to live their lives as they see fit...as long as they don't hurt anyone. The gays aren't trying to stop you from being a fundamentalist, but yet you try to deprive them of their right to live as they see fit...that's WRONG.

4) As for the rest of your list, I'm not a jealous person, I'm not into animals (for sex that is), and since I'm agnostic, I'm not looking for another God. The religion I can most identify with is probably Buddhism because they don't pray to a God...it's more of a "way to live your life". It's why that religion gets along the best with science

I do realize that by saying and living like that, God will probably knock on my door if armageddon ever happens and go "told you so" before putting a bullet in my head. But given that there's not the slightest solid proof that that will ever happen, I refuse to change the way I wanna live based on guesswork and fairy tales. If people wanna be religious, they have the RIGHT to do so...and if it makes them happy, that's cool. But they HAVE to stop trying to mess up the lives of people who don't agree with their view of the world.

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Following God and His laws has nothing to do with being "religious". I realize that there are numerous "bad" seeds out there - what group of people doesn't have them?

But God didn't create all of these "religions" that we see today - mankind did that, and continues to create them. Why? Because he doesn't like authority, he doesn't like being held accountable and he doesn't want anyone telling him that he can't do something if he wants to do it.

Pride goeth before destruction.

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You missed my point. The point of the thread is that somehow religious kids are being brainwashed...right?

So I said that we send our kids to school 8 hours a day, 7 days a week to learn ANTI-RELIGIOUS propaganda. So WHO is doing the brainwashing my friend?????

reply to post by nomorecruelty


If no one can claim their religion is the right one by providing proof, how can you base your whole life on something that's written in a book (that was written by MAN)?

Most religions tell you to pray to God(s) based on what it says in their scriptures. Yet those scriptures were written by men! So basically, men are telling men to pray to someone who they invented. We have no proof for God(s) other than scriptures written by men. And we all know how trustworthy and honest mankind is

If you're religious because it makes you feel good, by all means, continue. But don't be religious just because you think it explains stuff you can't explain otherwise, or because you're worried about some fairy tales about the end of the world written by men. The bible has about as much validity as the story about Santa or the seven dwars. If the story of Santa teaches you to be good, that's a great thing...but he doesn't have to be REAL to achieve this.

Read the content of the bible and look at it as wisdom written 2000 years ago, and packaged as a fictional story. Yes it includes a lot of wisdom (don't kill, etc.), but it was written 2000 years ago, times change, and humanity has to adapt and evolve. That won't happen if you refuse to do so because of some 2000 year old book. If we wouldn't constantly change and adapt, we'd still have slavery and women would have no rights.

Originally posted by trueperspective
reply to post by The Parallelogram

 

You missed my point. The point of the thread is that somehow religious kids are being brainwashed...right?

So I said that we send our kids to school 8 hours a day, 7 days a week to learn ANTI-RELIGIOUS propaganda. So WHO is doing the brainwashing my friend?????

It's not all propaganda for crying out loud!! If our teachers at school tell us that dinosaurs were extinct before men showed up, that's a scientific FACT. Yes it's against the views of Christian fundamentalists, but it's a fact. You can't brainwash someone with facts.

Also, you can't TEACH someone to be gay. You are BORN that way and don't really have a choice. So that whole "pushing the gay agenda" thing is bull#. They have as much of a right to be gay as you have to be a fundamentalist.

Originally posted by nomorecruelty
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Considering that our kindergarten children are now being "indoctrinated" with teachings involving homosexuality, and abortion, etc......

what the hell type of school are you sending your kids too?!?!?!?

you know what I learned about in grade school? farm animals and coloring, plus adding numbers together, and I even got to play Oregon Trail on a mac 2 back in the day. If these kids have any exposure to these things its coming from a preacher screaming at his congregation about how bad these things are. the kids that "preach" about it arent learning these things from TV, becsase why would a fire and brimstone family allow their kids to watch TV in the first place since it is filled with the very sins they are aganst?

This only leads to curiosity of the young-lings, who want to understand what the preacher was talking about, then the kids go off and google murder, or worse things.

Have you never stopped to think that pedophiles also claim there is nothing wrong with what they do?

A person can "say" all day long how homosexuality isn't a sin - but at the end of the day, it's still a sin.

If just "saying" something would make it true, I'd say I was a "millionaire".

What reason have you got for thinking homosexuality is a sin. Last time I checked, Homosexuality didn't cause years and years of hatred and war.

Religion on the other hand... thats different. People insult, attack and murder people of different religious backgrounds. The only reason two homosexuals would do so, is if they were fighting over another man

Anyway, forcing religion onto a young child, who hasn't even had time to develope a brief understanding of the rest of the world, has got to be some kind of abuse. At least let the child learn their 2 times tables before you ram religion down their throat and tell them that this is the ONLY way, and that everyone else who does not believe in your religion is wrong.

at least take him to a dinosaur museum and let him contemplate, if only for second, to himself... "what the hell are these things. They weren't in the bible... what the deuce is going on? They can't be real. People come here to pay money and see these man made legends, why would they do that? unless..."

and finally, at least let him be old enough for, himself, to understand how babys are made, so that he can sit and ponder "then what the hell happened with Mary, how is that even possible..."

p.s. I used him as an excample.... could apply to a girl too though obviously

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