The Great Lie is John 3:16

reply to post by LeoVirgo


Agreed lol.. if one doesnt like the topic stay out of the thread.. and i also agree with you that these topics should be discussed because no matter who likes it or doesnt these beliefs and elements of spirituality have built our histories and world itself, our lives are influenced by these topics despite what we accept and/or believe.. and it certainly isnt an area where a mindset of 'its all been said, say no more about it' applies..

reply to post by letthereaderunderstand


that was a nice set of videos.
cute kid. interesting subject. i don't think michio was referencing it in that way and frankly, neither was i. i was talking about in your current life, you make choices. those choices create forks in your timeline. each event, each choice, redefines and changes you. which creates another timeline. each potentiality has its own timeline. at least, that's me theory based on what i've learned and what dr. michio is saying.

still, was an interesting video series.

What evidence is there that God is real? Why is it you always blame Satan? Because if God is indeed infallable and all knowing He would have known already that satan was a bad egg. So did he create Man knowing Man wound fail?

Also what was about before God? Oh yes i remember, nothing. So God just pop out of nowhere...

ever heard of the Spanish Inquisition

You have to reach all the way back to 1478 to find an example? And the Spanish Inquisition wasn't even led by the Church - It was led by the Spanish monarchs!!

In 391, Emperor Theodosius I ordered the destruction of all "pagan" (non-Christian) temples, and the Christian Patriarch Theophilus of Alexandria complied with this request

391 A.D., eh? What a stretch. What a joke.

Why don't you mention all of the good, charitable works that the Church has done throughout the centuries, such as serving the poor and oppressed, working with the downtrodden, serving food at soup kitchens to the poorest of the poor, visiting with prisoners?

The Church is one of the few religious authorities that is very outspoken against the modern-day murder of the unborn via abortion. The Church stands up for the poor, the sick, the downtrodden. And that charitable work continues even to this day.

Instead, you have to find bogus examples from centuries ago that have nothing to do with the Church, and have everything to do with politics and political power.

I can give you not a few hundred examples of war leaders that started wars that were under the guises of various religious or political movements besides Christianity. What about the atheist communists, and the murderous butchering that they have done throughout the past century? Or militant Islam in our modern era? How about Shining Path in South America?

Spanish Inquisition? It was directly led by SPANISH monarchs for political control. If that's the best example you can come up with, you really need to study the Church in more depth! The Church is NOT the Spanish monarchy!!

I also find it so bizarre how people can just write off the Church based on the errors of a few bad actors throughout history. And completely 100% ignore all the good that the Church has done throughout the ages. Turn a complete blind eye to the good, and focus intently on the few bad actors that most emphatically DO NOT represent the Church nor its teachings.

reply to post by Gwynniver


Yes, only some belong to God. If you are not being in a way that longs for God, you will not find God. Simple as that. The corrupted, core-ruptured nature of some fears reintegration. Reintegration occurs in some after one has perceived the infinity within, and the figure 8 loopiness and futility of this ant track.

reply to post by Mr Moon


Because man can be so arrogant that he will not seek until the final failure of the futility of the created paths is unfolded. This way, man will have a free will and not destroy the world. There is a check in the system. If man tries to fly into the sun, his wings melt. If man loves, the sun absorbs him.
Also, maybe God is nothing silly billy. no-thing, beyond and prescribing the material.

[edit on 22-3-2010 by orwellianunenlightenment]

I want to tell you a story. I was raised as a Christian. Which I always thought was really cool. Of course I believed everything that was said to me. Then one day when I was about 10yrs old, I was going to this one church somewhere near (I think it`s called) White Rock Resort where we used to live up in Chinook Pass off of Hwy 410 here in WA, and I think it was a pentacostal church, and the preacher started telling everybody that Halloween was evil and that displaying a carved jack-o-lantern in front of your house meant that you were welcoming evil spirits into your home. Now I can`t deny that part of me was upset just because I was a kid and like most kids I loved Halloween. With a bag of free candy and dressing up like whatever crazy thing we wanted, what`s NOT to love. But besides this, beyond this, I just KNEW that this could not be true...and that was my first major issue. I let it go, after all they did throw us a little party at the church with games and some (healthier) treats.

Little did I know, however, this would only be the first of many problems I would have with my faith. When I was 16 it troubled me that, although God made it clear that the Bible was not to be changed in any way, there existed many "versions" of the Bible. I was convinced the King James Bible was the authentic word of God. To this day, I`m not sure. As I grew into my midteens, my mind became more analytical and my logic was a becoming a very defined and sharpened edge, with which I would slice and dice my way through my mind, cleaving away any ignorance, lies, distortions, exaggerations, etc. that I came across. I started to believe less and less in Christianity. Finally, I stopped believing at all. Becoming agnostic for the most part, I suppose. And I guess from looking at what I believe today, a lot of people would say I am still agnostic. But I see myself as a Chrisian who, like a few others, have faced the fact that Christianity, as practiced by the overwhelming majority, has been distorted. And we know that, even such documents as the Bible may have been changed in some ways, and that maybe there are even some other books which may or may not have been included. We also know that, since it was written both in a different language AND so long ago that almost everything was differewnt in some way from today, that it is all too easy to interpret it in your own way. What to do then? See next post. Phone is laggin due to the length of this one.


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reply to post by yodagod


It is interesting that your icon is a man on a one-dimensional bi-cycle. That is no way to con your way out of the circle created by your Y, X marks the spot, your desire to be the authority. The bi-cycle is eternal hell. Same crap, switching roles. An end to core-rupture, corruption is an answer, but you would have to belong to God, so to speak. You would have to be longing for the source, which is dynamic and pulsating, not static, a No-thing.

It is not, He did, and does, and it is real, if you only believe, and if you do not, then enjoy the ride......

reply to post by Full_Vision


In duality there is an eternity of hell, of war, of division. That is at least how I see it. The same stupid circle. Satan is an adversary, trying to always add verses. When there is only one verse. God is dog, the mirror God, the one who consistently tries to find the path home, but is always following the master. This God/Satan dynamic, I think, is represented by the binary nature of the reptilian cord and the left/right nature of the brain. These dualities should seek integration, in my view. The prince of peace should make peace with the prince of darkness, if you catch my drift. Then, no more corruption. No more ruptured core. No more people as ants and playthings and mere mechanical constructs. No more men or women thinking they are the source. No objectification, as it leads to subjectification. No more subjectification, as it leads to objectification. The ghost in the machine will be let loose.

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by letthereaderunderstand

 

that was a nice set of videos.
cute kid. interesting subject. i don't think michio was referencing it in that way and frankly, neither was i. i was talking about in your current life, you make choices. those choices create forks in your timeline. each event, each choice, redefines and changes you. which creates another timeline. each potentiality has its own timeline. at least, that's me theory based on what i've learned and what dr. michio is saying.

still, was an interesting video series.

Thanks undo, I'm glad you enjoyed them. I thought they were very interesting.

I like your idea, but it seams a paradox, because you would never know the other time line as once you entered it, regardless of the switch it would remain your time line. Therefore, without being able to observe the other line, how would you know it's there, being in it yourself.

Also, since we are already time traveling as we speak, it seams to me you would actually have two tasks to complete in order to achieve it.

First you would need to keep time going forward immediately around you. Time couldn't stop going forward or as you went back you would eventually return to fetus then nothing. Therefore you would have to make a bubble of linear time and encase that in a backward or forward moving bubble, with a third bubble conjoining them.

Who knows...maybe one day.

Peace

Guess what ladies and gentlemen....
People do evil things, it doesn't take a religion to make it happen
Why in the world do people continue to think that religion makes people do evil things?!?!?!?!?!!?
People are twisted, power hungery, jealous, envious, murderous, black hearted, pious, liers, thiefs, and corrupt. OF COURSE THEY EXPLOIT RELIGION FOR THEIR OWN GAIN. what do you expect????
RELIGION IS THE MOST POWERFUL TOOL IN THE WHOLE WORLD.
It is universal, imbedded in our very souls, and everlasting in effect.

I would be more surprised if their wasn't corrput religion. Seriously, it is really tiring to see people moan about how corrupt religion is. No freakin' joke... You mean people in power expliot those under them?? Just ask the freakin' middle managment guy at McDonalds and even he uses his meager power to exploit people. It's called human nature. and...
IT has nothing to do with Religion!!



[edit on 22-3-2010 by trueperspective]

And we know that, even such documents as the Bible may have been changed in some ways, and that maybe there are even some other books which may or may not have been included. We also know that, since it was written both in a different language AND so long ago that almost everything was differewnt in some way from today, that it is all too easy to interpret it in your own way.

While that may have been true in decades past, it's not true today. With the advent of the Internet, and numerous online booksellers, any scholar can get their hands on various versions of the Bible and various Bible commentaries to compare and contrast. The information is readily accessible.

And, if one is concerned with "authenticity", find the oldest original Biblical source you can:

codexsinaiticus.org...

Originally posted by yodagod
reply to post by The time lord

 

You love it when you hear the name is Christ denounced and put down, it is taboo to do so and you thrive on it.

Don't be silly there's nothing taboo about observing the lack of evidence for the existence of the godman jesus.

Only the simple minded observe a taboo in relation to an imaginary being, quit getting all girly on behalf of an invisible man if he doesn't like it he can open up the ground and swallow us loathsome bastards. I ironically jesus was a bastard wasn't he how on earth did he sneak into the temple ?


By the way christ wasn't a name it was a title, reserved for those of royal blood.

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You know it stirs up society to be anti-christian even though now there is not much to stir up since people are no longer in the knowledge of the Bible like they once were. The only evidence of Christ is through events in the Bible and places that have been discovered by archeologists in the last 200 years. Many manuscrips about a man called Jesus 24,000 ancient New Testament manuscripts discovered so far, it is not like he was movie character in their minds.

Many people experience spiritual things in life, be it good or bad and many have confessed that Jesus has helped in their life and experienced things that maybe can not be proven with simple words.

From the Gospel of Thomas..... Quote;

56. Jesus said,

“Whoever has come to understand the World
has found only a corpse,

and whoever has found a corpse
is superior to the World.”

And from John’s Preaching of the Gospel The Acts of John 87-105....Quote;

45. I will that there be prepared Holy SOULS for Me.

Not the Flesh of the human species!

The Flesh wars against the Soul...

The Flesh wants to be LIVING as the Soul Lives...

But the Living Can't Die neither can The Dead Live....

The flesh is merely Bio-Robotics controlled by the Mind…. within strict Boundaries of a Program.

But Consciousness is LIFE.

We can either Follow after the Flesh which is Dead or a Corpse.

Or we can Follow LIFE... Consciousness or Awareness.

LIFE is Eternal and Can't Die as it is LIFE and NOT Death...

The human form, returns to the Ground as it never Lived in the first place.

56. Jesus said,

“Whoever has come to understand the World
has found only a corpse,

and whoever has found a corpse
is superior to the World.”

So you see the human species is Not alive in the first place…

It is the Soul that is LIVING…. and NOT the Flesh!

Wow, as a former seminary student and not to mention being fairly versed in ancient texts...what you have just written is nothing but mere speculation and there is nothing supporting what you have said. What your basing your understanding on is from the minds of revisionists and modern day huministic theologies that have been around for a mere 75 years or so.

There is a lot of speculation in your post but nothing concret to support your views, nothing from secular historical sources or from church records.

Believe what you want but the several thousands of 1st and 2nd century manuscripts that have been discovered in the last 50 years or so tell a different account and amazingly support the King James Translation.

reply to post by CookieMonster09

What about the atheist communists, and the murderous butchering that they have done throughout the past century?

No comparable atrocities have been committed in the "name " of atheism.

People that happen to be Atheists have committed atrocities

People that happen to be Christians have committed atrocities.

Yahweh is downright atrocious and christians have acted upon that.

reply to post by The time lord

Many manuscrips about a man called Jesus 24,000 ancient New Testament manuscripts discovered so far, it is not like he was movie character in their minds.

Jesus was a common name, the inconsistencies of the gospels can allow for several to fit the bill.

Would the real jesus son of joseph please stand up, please stand up !

Originally posted by Rockstrongo37
Wow, as a former seminary student and not to mention being fairly versed in ancient texts...what you have just written is nothing but mere speculation and there is nothing supporting what you have said. What your basing your understanding on is from the minds of revisionists and modern day huministic theologies that have been around for a mere 75 years or so.

First of all, the ancient texts you speak of could have been written with imagination as well, they could have easily been stories past down from generation to generation as a folk tale. There is absolutely no validity in the texts other than they are ancient, nothing more. And for your descerning disrespect for the revisionists and huministic analogies, they have to be respected, whoever started religion had the same thought's and conception's even back in those days. But by some force of influential imagination, religions have embodied every thought process of every culture and crede.

There is a lot of speculation in your post but nothing concret to support your views, nothing from secular historical sources or from church records.

And so goes the "Pot" calling the "Kettle" black. Secular is a good word for explaining religous belief systems, they have been forged by teacher's of teacher's. If the idea of religion's was never expounded on with such "Secular" commitment's, it wouldn't have existed today. There are huge holes in the "God" theory, but the only answer for the reason is always the same, "Because the bible, Quran or Tora says it's so." Doesn't sound like that is very tangible evidence to me, and wouldn't stand up in a court of law.

Believe what you want but the several thousands of 1st and 2nd century manuscripts that have been discovered in the last 50 years or so tell a different account and amazingly support the King James Translation.

"Believe what you want " And that is exactly what religion is, a belief, not a sustunance or an absolute to continue to being called "Human Being's" we are here as act of evolutionary incompassments, believing that there was an omnipotent omnipresence that breathed life on this planet is nothing more than a self satisfying ideology that allows for such individuals to think there is a better place after death for the wrongs they have done when they themselves can't figure out that the mistakes they had made were nothing more than an act of "Bad" judgement on thier part and the only way to actually get rid of the ill effect's of conscience is to either learn from your mistakes or continue in a frivolous act of continually repeating the same mistake expecting a different result.

My brother inlaw is Muslim(Quran from birth as he says), my sister that he is married to is Christian (Which she is a religous theologist) and I am Atheist. these conversation's happen all the time, they are never changing, they are always the same, there is no conclusion's to the scenario conclusion's, and for that leaves me to believe either we have more than one god in our existance or it is all pure Hooie! Using the bible's to argue the "Bible" is absolutely redundant to do. Are they both right? Are they both emersed in belief sytems that don't allow for acception from one to the other? Who knows, all I know is it is an argument that can't be proven from any direction you approach it from, it remains as it exactly started. "Unanswered and fruitless conversation/argument/ideology"
And for my own personal analogy of how a book with some words of a so far fictional tale of oppression and overcoming oppression can cause such upheavals and arguments is nothing more than a nonexistant idea that went and has gone "WAY" to far.
"If God was born with in me, why in the hell isn't he helping pay my rent?"

They say one is born with thier own personal character, I believe we are all enstilled with the karma that come from it.

Originally posted by orwellianunenlightenment
reply to post by yodagod

 

It is interesting that your icon is a man on a one-dimensional bi-cycle. That is no way to con your way out of the circle created by your Y, X marks the spot, your desire to be the authority. The bi-cycle is eternal hell. Same crap, switching roles. An end to core-rupture, corruption is an answer, but you would have to belong to God, so to speak. You would have to be longing for the source, which is dynamic and pulsating, not static, a No-thing.

Wow! what a stunning piece of thinking but sorry to disappoint but it's just a little humour no hidden meaning