Aliens HAVE visited earth - Finally... tangible evidence

reply to post by VneZonyDostupa


Thanks

From what you are saying, it merely appears that Pye is making a big deal out of relatively nothing, which he has been prone to do ever since he got the skull. Well, we'll see if he gets anywhere with this.

reply to post by VneZonyDostupa


G'day VneZonyDostupa

Well.....I was also hoping you would pop in here as well

Here is 1 of the pic's of the fibres:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/b0e4f793493e.jpg[/atsimg]

Microscopy / pathology is far from my strong point, so here are a few thoughts for your pondering.....

Would residual marrow look like that?

Can you have some sort of calcified arteriovenous malformation or something that could remain & have this appearance? (I wouldn't have thought so)

Could it simply be external contamination?

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

[edit on 19-3-2010 by Maybe...maybe not]

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Exactly. Of course, I woudl be more than ecstatic if we did, in fact, find a skull demonstrating a hybridization between human and non-human DNA. Aside from confirmation that there is another intelligent species out there, it would open up all sorts of avenues in medical genetic therapy, genetic research, and epigenetics.

Unfortunately, Pye is nothing by a attention-starved child demanding we pay attention (and apparently give money, as well).

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Wow, wonderful picture! That's certainly not what I was looking at. There are several possibilities, actually. The first thing that popped into my head was exactly what you suggested, some sort of calcified vascular mass. Any sort of bone hyperplasia (which this skull certainly demonstrates, as seen by the thickness) would cause osteoblasts to deposit massive amounts of hydroxyapatite, which theoretically could calcify nearby vasculature. As for the knotted structure, it could just be an anastamoses of several arterioles or venules, by the looks of it. There are many, many small vessels in the skull that branch, meet, and then branch again. Of course, I'm neither a neurologist nor a cardiolost (just an internist for the time being), but it seems entirely likely to me.

Another possibility is that we are looking at a calcified (or otherwise dehydrated or preserved) remnant of the endosteum. It looks like the knot is located inside on of the bone spicule opening common to cancellous bone. All of these openings are lined with a slick sheet of tightly connected cells called the endosteum. It's actually a pretty tough tissue to degrade, so it's entirely possible that under the right conditions, especially if some sort of abnormal calcification has occured, the endosteum might survive in some form. As the tissue shrinks toward a point still adherent to the bone, it could result in a knotted or crumpled form.

Again, these are just what I thought at first glance. Without testing it, or seeing the test results from a reliable lab, I can't say for certain what it is.

In the one below, and again at the bottom, you see the stunning report that in a string of 342 base pairs (another good length), "No significant similarity (is) found."

Aliens HAVE visited earth - Finally... tangible evidence

What a magnificent leap (to conclusion), worthy of Evel Knievel

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To recover a stretch of base pairs as long as that with NO reference in the NIH database is astounding because it means there is no known earthly corollary for what has been analyzed!

Lol According to who? It may mean nothing more than human error or that the dna was damaged/fragmented, afterall its 900 years old.

I'm sorry, but this stinks to high heaven.

I'd love to be a believer, except, so far, I've seen NO tangible evidence of ANYTHING.

There have been some valid points made in this thread, and they need to be answered -

1) Details and research data sheets from the company that performed the DNA analysis please - otherwise it's a hoax and a scam.
2) Lloyd Pye - please publish your accounts, with sensitive data redacted. Otherwise noone will trust you.
3) The reasoning process has been shown to be flawed before - what makes this any different? We have NO sound basis to work from.
4) Has this work been peer reviewed? No? Don't even bother to publish until it has then.
5) Does anyone with a genetic / paediatric background have any comments on the skull composition and morphology?

Until we get answers to questions like these, let's just be quiet eh? No point in filling the thread full of trash. If the truth is to come out, we would at least like to be able to find it.

Parallex.

Originally posted by skeptic_al
reply to post by SquirrelNutz

 

Yeah that's proof all right.
There is no way Mother Nature could create a deformed being like that.

yeah, proof all right, that 80% of the detractors on this thread lack basic reading comprehension skills. It is most definitely NOT a deformity - that us one of the FIRST things they proved 7 years ago.

And, those that still want to focus in on the money issue: Keep in mind, the OP was a private email sent to those of us who requested it, but more importantly, the donation comment is directed at the few interested parties on the distribution that have already committed to funding the project. (Jesus, I shoulda just left that part out)




[edit on 3/19/2010 by SquirrelNutz]

Originally posted by SquirrelNutz

yeah, proof all right, that 80% of the detractors on this thread lack basic reading comprehension skill. It is most definitely NOT a deformity - that us one of the FIRST things they proved 7 years ago.

I've yet to see any source that provides scientific documentation that brachycephaly, progeria, or other bone hyperplasias have been ruled out.

Whoops! Double post for some reason. Sorry!

[edit on 3/19/2010 by VneZonyDostupa]

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G'day VneZonyDostupa

Thanks for your thoughts.....

Do these pic's help to identify the fibrous objects?

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[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/f5a77834272c.jpg[/atsimg]

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/a944f90ecbc7.jpg[/atsimg]

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/0b6bca47451a.jpg[/atsimg]

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa

Originally posted by SquirrelNutz

yeah, proof all right, that 80% of the detractors on this thread lack basic reading comprehension skill. It is most definitely NOT a deformity - that us one of the FIRST things they proved 7 years ago.

I've yet to see any source that provides scientific documentation that brachycephaly, progeria, or other bone hyperplasias have been ruled out.

I too would like to see this 7 year old proof you are claiming, SquirrelNutz, can you please post references/sources for that proof? My understanding is not the same as yours but I'm open to see what you have to back up your assertion.

Thanks.

Those pictures definitely make me lean toward the fibers being remnants of endosteum, certainly. Every instance of the material is either in or touching a cancellous bone spicule, and they seem to be made of continuous sheets of cellular material. If you take a look at the first picture you posted, as well as the bits labelled 'sheared fiber" and "long fibers" in the third photo of your second photo post, the material seems to be made of sheets that have coild up a bit, rather than being a tubular structure natively. This, to me, suggests the material is very well hydrated while living, and has since dehydrated and curled up, like a dry leaf, so to speak.

How interesting to read, and what a variety of reactions.

Although I have read Mr Pye's book, Everything You Know Is Wrong, and spent a lot of time reading through the research explainations - I still have yet to form a definitive opinion. Mr Pye does seem obsessively obsessed with his hypothesis that this skull represents tangible evidence of a human/alien hybrid. I find this to be quite disturbing as a reader, merely because my interpretation of science and research is to observe and collect information and then form a theory based on the overall picture that information presents.

In this instance, Mr Pye seems to have formed his hypothesis first and is attempting to find the supporting evidence last. I would be more intrigued if he presented his findings, and test results and even unanswerable questions first - and then suggested (as one of many possibilities) a half human, and half unknown genetic blend.

To leap to Alien is also irritating. Does Mr Pye have some kind of special information that I do not have? Aside from his assertions in his book to Zecharia Sitchin's interpretation of the ancient Sumerian tablets, as evidence of Aliens -

1. How does Mr Pye know for a solid fact in the existence of Aliens, to be able to make his claim?
2. Does he know what they look like? Where they come from? Why they would want to make a hybrid? Why their DNA is compatible with ours? Or why they would want to splice themselves with our DNA? What makes human beings so special?
3. Why isn't he sharing That information as well?

His requests for funds does not disturb me. It shouldn't disturb anyone else, or make anyone wary. If you have enough spare money lying around to want to donate, I hardly think it's a crime. I'm not even that worried about it being a hoax, as Mr Pye has been around for some time and it is quite apparent that he is on a personal quest to prove the existence of alien DNA. You might be more worried about donating your money on a fruitless quest, and with a man who is only interesting in supporting his theory - and ruling out other theories.

I do wish him luck on his mission. But mainly I wish that he would have garnered much more mainstream support for his endeavours after a decade of campaigning... even if it was merely to prove a point to him, and the rest of the world that his theory is wrong. Perhaps that would be a better mission to spend money on.

Originally posted by reject
reply to post by SquirrelNutz

 

on the fence; I'll give it a couple weeks...

Lol May I join you?

But for everyone else arguing the case in comparrison to monkey/ape skulls and all, I decided to take a Google trip search. So I will share the links (as I still do not quite know how to successfully post images/vids) for you to look at and place within your argument. I am curious how this turns out for real.

Link that compares all skulls
www.talkorigins.org...

Human Skull

Gorilla Skull
www.talkorigins.org...

Chimp Skull (side view)
pandasthumb.org...

Chimp Skull (frontal view)
www.connecticutvalleybiological.com...

Adult Male Chimp Skull (as Wiki says the star child was male)
www.boneclones.com...

[Now this one's interesting] Fetal Chimp Skull
www.boneclones.com...

Interesting because of it's shape. And that is not saying anyone mated with
a chimp, lol.

Finally...the
Star Child Skull 1

SC Skull compared to that of the Human Skull
2012rising.com...

And another (kinda odd)
surferjerry.com...

This is gross. But it mentioned a star child. Prolly not related to the one in question. To me, it more so reflects the possible disease mentioned by some commentors:
www.ceticismoaberto.com...

Brazil Star Child
surferjerry.com...

There ya go. Have fun and play nice

Originally posted by Parallex
I'd love to be a believer, except, so far, I've seen NO tangible evidence of ANYTHING.

Open up your mind, dude! The evidence is everywhere (Google it).

But seriously speaking it's just that beilevers use different definitions for words like: tangible, proof, evidence, undeniable, irrefutable etc.
I once thought that people on ATS are taking this stuff seriously.. I thought rong.

Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa

It's awfully hard to say the father's DNA isn't human when they've only managed to piece together 0.000014% of the genome from the skull. That would be akin to deciding you are the person seen in a photograph by looking at one mole on your pinky and nothing else.

True. I see your point. And I'm not saying otherwise. To me this article is kind of speculating the idea, but trying to make it fact w/o substantial FIG. pics or links to give us more to go on. I still haven't seen any links to this article or the pics that were promised or whatever. But it is kind of hard to read something that points to nothing there...ya know! But oh well. Entertaininment is entertainment I guess.

The Wiki entry is very informative (famous last words !).
First the skull has ben around since 1930 without anybody thinking anything about it.
Secondly the DNA tests proved the adult female was notnot the child's mother.
It is odd that there is no Starchild body - it was just the skull. This was hardly a regular human interment.

Finally, how the **** is it possible for humans and aliens to crossbreed?
From the shape of the skull I guess the inference is that it was some kind of grey type of alien i.e. only having the basic bipedal phenotype in common with us. It just couldn't happen.
Maybe there's an outside chance it was a hybrid of human and some homo erectus type of ancestor. Google Kow Swamp for a fascinating story about this. Maybe a hybrid with one of the cryptid hominids. But a grey?

This skull is only about 900 years old - there ought to be some history, even if only in legendary form, of strange foreigners in fiery craft or some such. There isn't. Even those cultures which did produce such stories haven't yielded up any hybridised remains.
Not just a non-story , but a non-starter of a non-story.

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PACRIM

I will be grateful if you will remove your extremely distasteful comment.

Thank you.

Originally posted by Bigfoot73

Secondly the DNA tests proved the adult female was notnot the child's mother.

This is more in reference to the fact that mitochondrial DNA analysis cannot reliably be used to identify individuals or their relatives in a precise manner. It s typically used to identify members of a population or haplogroup. The most specific you can realistically get with mitochondrial DNA is saying that someone is related to a line of females, rather than a single female, due to the mitochondria's maternally inherited nature.

It is odd that there is no Starchild body - it was just the skull. This was hardly a regular human interment.

How do we know it wasn't a normal interment? There are plenty of documented cultures who retain the skull of a deceased individual, either in a personal or ritualistic setting, and burn the body. I believe the Maya had a ritual like this.