Aliens HAVE visited earth - Finally... tangible evidence

Big News!

The Starchild is an alien! ... ummm.. but... errrrr.... the medical and scientific community aren't interested in funding further research...

Loyd.... you're a charlatan!

Just look at his earlier reasoning. We couldn't find nuclear DNA, ergo the father wasn't human... ergo, he was an alien.

How can anyone trust this guys reasoning powers.

To boil it down. If the starchild goes away because it is human, Loyd disappears into obscurity and earns no money. Therefore he is emotionally and financially invested in the starchild being alien whether it is or not.

Wake up believers!



IRM

If his results were legit, he wouldn't have any problem securing the money to finish his work.

This reaks of BS.

reply to post by SquirrelNutz


Pretty sure Starchild has been shown to have had a biologically human Mother, this alone says that it is human barring wild theories about hybrids.

The skull looks too ape-like to be something alien anyway.

Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
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Pretty sure Starchild has been shown to have had a biologically human Mother, this alone says that it is human barring wild theories about hybrids.

The skull looks too ape-like to be something alien anyway.

Well, I think that's the point, that it's some kind of hybrid.

. . . the national genetic database at the National Institute of Health, NIH. That public-access database is a centralized repository of all genetic information generated by geneticists all over the world, and now covers essentially all living organisms on Earth . . .

That is just a lie. The NIH database has entries for about 6,200 species. That is less than one half of one percent of the 1,500,000+ species which have been identified and described. Additionally, the 1.5m number is admittedly only a fraction of the species which live on earth; the consensus among scientists is that a very large number of number of species have yet to be identified. Why through in this lie if the message is true?

Pye's methods have been called into question since the begining, and when presented with any legitimate science that challenges his conclusions he just says that we don't have the technology to know for sure yet. He has already drawn his conclusion and will warp any evidence to support it.

There does exist a body of real scientific evidence regarding the starchild skull, and it doesn't support anything alien. In fact, it is all consistant with the conventional diseased human explanation. Here he offers us unsubstantiated reports that, what? An alien mated with a human? Are we to believe that ETs are so genetically similar to humans that they can mate with human women and produce offspring? Or is the suggestion that genetic engineering has been employed by ETs? If the latter is the suggestion, what does alien genetic engineering look like? How can you tell that from a genetic disorder? Or errors in the results of your genetic analysis?

Why come to such outrageous conclusions when there is a perfectly good, earthy explanation for all of the data? Why disclose the results of your experiments by newsletter instead of publishing in peer reviewed journals, the way real scientists do? Why hide the source of your "scientific" research? Why not apply for a grant which would easily be given if there was any merit to your work, instead of relying on donations from the readers of your newsletter?

The starchild skull was debunked years ago. If this guy was telling the truth he wouldn't have to lie(for example about the NIH database) in order to make people believe him. He has an agenda, and will only accept one conclusion. Psuedoscience funded by ill informed wishful thinkers, all the way.

Read this: www.theness.com...

Cool news if true!

Originally posted by OnceReturned

. . . the national genetic database at the National Institute of Health, NIH. That public-access database is a centralized repository of all genetic information generated by geneticists all over the world, and now covers essentially all living organisms on Earth . . .

That is just a lie.

I think he meant that most every living creature that COULD have been the father IS covered.

If true this would be a remarkable advancement to explain the disfigured star child features as a hybrid of human and some other unknown DNA.

I wonder if we will ever find another true ancient giant to try this on. That would be the definitive proof.

Thanks for the breaking news update.

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I feel the same way. However, wouldn't it be something if we did know the scientist and lab that conducted the testing? What if it WAS true? It would be amazing!

reply to post by SquirrelNutz


Hello All,

There was a thread that was created on this back in 2007 "Starchild Forensic Reconstruction" which popped back up briefly a week or so ago.

It was made by a guy who did a forensic sculpture of the skull and then a couple of months later he abrubtly states he no longer is to be associated with Lloyd Pye and signs off “one of the duped”.

He then disappeared. I tried to search for any other info but couldn’t find any. It was all very intriguing.

If I have time soon I will edit to link to the thread.

- Hermit

Starchild Forensic Reconstruction

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Right but that wouldn't make any sense. It would mean that the aliens are apes closely related enough to us to procreate with us unless they have advanced genetic technology as to take a human embryo and blend it with alien DNA to make the hybrid but that assumes that aliens even have DNA similar enough to be blended with organisms on Earth. It looks far too human (as deformed as it is) to entertain some tabloid level alien hybrid hypothesis. Skull binding or deformity is a much better explanation.

The mitochondrial DNA turned out human, as far as I'm concerned that means its a human skull. The alien hybrid idea raises more questions than it answers and has no legitimate proof to back it up.

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If the starchild skull brung back the results you say, why do you need money for further study ? If there's some real proof here, you'd have the media surrounding you and literally throwing money at you.


Expectations for this thread are going to be low, what with all of the money grabbing con artists out there.

Darn, I was kind of excited after reading the OP.

Luckily I read the rest of the thread to have the obligatory shattering of hopes and dreams after reading something cool.

I used to Joke and make fun about people on ATS being so naive and willing to believe anything that I was going to start auctioning off peices of the Roswell crash wreckage.

unfortunately that might be somewhat true, ... as this is the second thread this week asking for donations and such to " further the cause".

in any case, .. I really hope I'm wrong about this one.

Look at the skull!



It's either a genetic mutation or an alien-human hybrid, apparently.
I don't believe it to be a fake or a hoax, there seems to be too much evidence to the contrary. People really want to get to the bottom of the mystery though.

We need to re-ask ourselves everyday, "Why is disclosure not imminent?"

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I hear you man, I was also initially excited.

I am glad I get to see other peoples insight, that's why I love ATS.

reply to post by SquirrelNutz


I would love to see the name of the company that did the recovery of the DNA and their consequent catalogued findings.

Does he say when this information will be released?

- Hermit


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Aliens HAVE visited earth - Finally... tangible evidence

i dont get it, where is the tangible evidence..

reply to post by ToHoldaPigeon


It looks ape, it looks human. Nothing about the skull screams alien except to people who want to see an alien. The same way you might say a cloud looks like a giraffe while I claim its more like a zebra.

Mitochondrial DNA has shown the skull's mother to be human, therefore it is a human skull because the only species that can breed with us is us.

To claim it to be an alien hybrid without the genetic evidence to back that up is no different than the curio shops that sell dragon bones or Barnum's Fiji Mermaid. Even if you could recover nuclear DNA it would be difficult to show that DNA to be alien, to do that you'd have to capture an alien and see what its DNA looks like to inter-compare and this is assuming alien physiology involves DNA at all. So you see the leaps in logic taken to assume it alien merely because it is shaped a little differently are absurd.

Don't you think it far more likely the result of birth defects or skull binding?


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Originally posted by Iamrealistic
this is not an alien...it is a human with a disease...tests a decade ago proved that the child had both Y and X chromosomes...X from mom and Y from dad (both human) case closed

Amazing. Case Closed. And that, without even posting a single link! Impressive!

As for the topic at hand, if this was real, and had actual real repercussions, the guy wouldn't be asking for money.

Case Closed.

reply to post by SquirrelNutz


on the fence; I'll give it a couple weeks...