Aliens HAVE visited earth - Finally... tangible evidence

reply to post by Kandinsky

So if Pye comes back in 3 weeks and says as we've heard before that the mother is human but the father is unknown therefore Pye takes that to mean the father must be alien, is the wager a draw?

I like SquirrelNutz's avatar so if you guys bet maybe bet your signatures instead? I'd miss that squirrel if it disappeared, that's one of the nicer animations, as it's not annoying.

Originally posted by Kandinsky
reply to post by SquirrelNutz

 

He's just been waiting for the right opportunity this whole time - it seems his wait is over.

A wager? In his email to you he suggests the results are ready in 2 to 3 weeks. If these new lab results offer convincing evidence that the skull isn't wholly human in origin...I'll change my avatar or carry a signature of your choosing for a month. Naturally, you'll do likewise if you accept

After all these years has his fairytale come to an end? The glass slipper has found its foot....Pye has finally found a guy to agree with him.

So how about it? A wager?

I'd make the lab provide credentials too. I think your standards of " convincing evidence" are higher than Pye's.


Just saying.....

yeap, what Arbitrageur said

[edit on 3/20/2010 by Pauligirl]

reply to post by Arbitrageur

I like SquirrelNutz's avatar so if you guys bet maybe bet your signatures instead? I'd miss that squirrel if it disappeared, that's one of the nicer animations, as it's not annoying

SN would get it back after a month...I've got just the picture in mind for a temporary replacement avatar

reply to post by Pauligirl

I'd make the lab provide credentials too. I think your standards of " convincing evidence" are higher than Pye's.

Absolutely! His 90s claims can't be verified due to the quoted lab only existing in relation to his report...odd huh? If Pye gets a credible report, with no caveats, he'll be posting it verbatim online. I'd wear any avatar at all for the opportunity to see ET life confirmed at last

Somehow, I'm expecting him to throw his toys out and mutter, "Stupid scientists think they know everything n they don't "

Wow, this just reeks of a money grabbing scam.

reply to post by Kandinsky



I like your style gimme a day or 2 to think about the bet.

(I also agree with Arbitrageur - I'd miss the little guy, should I miss by a few days/weeks)

reply to post by SquirrelNutz
No problems. Your avatar is possibly the only GIF that doesn't have me hitting the 'Esc' key....and it's very cool. The one I have in my mind is very uncool...

Take your time

Any avatar and signature you choose, I will use from now on, evermore, if the skull is proven to be alien by an unbiased independant and mainstream science source. Deal?

Still mulling over the terms. About to start weekend activities. In the meantime, have heard back, once again, from the man, himself (a few hours ago):

"Scott,

Yeah, we've heard about Progeria till we're blue in the face. Progeria victims still have all the HUMAN parts of their skulls, but they are somewhat rearranged. The Starchild has NO human parts in the sense that everything is so different. Plus, the Starchild is missing its sinuses and its inion (the bump at the lower rear of everyone's head), its foramen magnum is shifted forward significantly, its brain is significantly expanded, its inner ears are double the size of normal, and its bone is uniformly thinner than normal. Parts of the skull of a Progeria victim's skull can be thinned a bit, but not nearly uniformly, as is the case with the Starchild. It really is comparing apples and oranges. You can post this too....

Also, Amy has suggested we put a page on the Starchild website where all the skeptics can sign up with their real names and let their opinions be out there for the whole world to see, as I am forced to do because of my position. If they're so certain I'm a huckster charlatan and the Starchild is "merely" a deformed human, why don't we post a list somewhere so they can sign up and announce to the world their certainty about the Starchild. How many of them do you think would sign up to a list like that? If you get a good response, we'd be happy to do it. I have a feeling, though, that their anonymity on the boards gives them a great deal of courage and certainty they wouldn't have is they were stripped of that cloak. Another item to post......

Thanks!!!

For many species, humans included, there are already nucleotide sequences covering entire genomes. Therefore, sequences from the Starchild's DNA can be directly compared against this vast database to look for any matches. In one such comparison below, you see the text below the blue line at the bottom (if you can read it, sorry it's so fuzzy) that 265 base pairs (a good length) of recovered Starchild nuclear DNA matches perfectly with a gene on human chromosome 1. This verifies beyond any degree of doubt that some of the nuclear DNA seen in the gel sheet is from a human being.

Really what we needed to hear!!!

Bises,
7jades.

reply to post by SquirrelNutz


I would post, with my real name, in a heartbeat if it meant exposing this fraud. I'm r-mailing him shortly to express just this opinion, along with a few other questions. If I should get a response, I'll post it here.

Originally posted by wayaboveitall
Any avatar and signature you choose, I will use from now on, evermore, if the skull is proven to be alien by an unbiased independant and mainstream science source. Deal?

"an unbiased independant and mainstream science source"?????
When are we supposed to be getting one of those?

If this man's results were valid, he could get funding from countless investors.
He wouldn't need your money.

This is bogus.

Originally posted by expat2368
OK now let me get this clear... The guy "Lordpye" whoever that is, arranges for a genetic testing laboratory to do not one but a whole series of tests on the starchild skull.

The results of those tests which obviously took a long time and according to the article were repeated multiple times confirms that a large portion of the DNA of the starchild skull is NOT human.

Then half a dozen or so knuckledragging yahoos who would not know the inside of a genetic laboratory from their stinking behind proclaim its fake, debunked long ago (regardless of NEW findings), it has an x chromosome so it must be human (I won't even try to make anyone understand that one), move along, nothing to see here...

The stupidity of some of the comments I see just makes me ill. Lurking IS an option you know, that way you don't let your fingers on the keyboard make a fool of you.

Please offer some proof of your initial assertion.

If you cannot, stop telling people to believe it.

If you believe this story without proof, you might like to help finance recovery of a platinum plated anti-gravitational free energy flying device that my pet Pluto, (from Pluto) buried under my house last week.

Originally posted by JayinAR
If this man's results were valid, he could get funding from countless investors.
He wouldn't need your money.
This is bogus.

G'day JayinAR

I agree.....

I work "in the industry".

The money involved is peanuts.....or should I say "squirrel nuts"

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

Originally posted by InfaRedMan
It just looks like you have a case of sour grapes!

You have to admit, there's nothing like a case or two of sour grapes if you want to have a good whine.

Oh how I wish that it could all really be like it was in the movie 'Close Encounters of the Third Kind'.....which I first saw when I was in the first grade with my parents in an Alaskan movie theater for its second "Special Edition" theatrical release.
I remember how much that movie really BLEW my young mind away, and because it had such overwhelmingly scary yet magical effect it had on me as a child.....it remains my all time favorite movie which I hang onto like I hang onto my own inner childhood wonder.
Even the entire musical score by John Williams (all of which I have memorized entirely, note for note) has almost a religious vibe for me.



But what i really wanted to say is that I think there is a lot more to the picture than we have any idea.

My own conclusion is that there are two primary sides we are dealing with. Those who are for us....and those who are waiting for us to fail so they can suck us up (spiritually) kind of like vampires.
I believe the grays are in fact the original vampires, although not quite like the vampires we know from literature and movies are depicted. But basically in essence they are the same. I don't even want to go into the details of why I think this because it disturbs me too much.
But not Strieber or anyone else can convince me otherwise. Yet I'll be will to debate anyone on this, but just realize that you'd be on the losing side of the debate.

Then there are those who are on our side, many of which look radiant and beautiful.

But why is it that all we ever seem to hear about are the fear emanating grays? Why is there so little genuine information that ever comes out about the "blonds" or radiant beings? I'll tell you exactly why.
Its because of where and what the world is focused on. Its the level we are on, the frequency we are tuning ourselves to. Look at the movies, and all the crap on TV. The majority of world has its sights aligned with the grays. And that is nothing to take lightly.

We are focused on such crap, and are so spiritually void.


Here is something that I got recently from a certain source which I will leave a mystery for now.
It goes like this----- There is too much GOODNESS in GOD, to be wasting our time focusing on the nightmares of men.

Yet we really have no clue of that "goodness" do we? And how can we when we are so busy watching all the gossiping crap on the news and feeding our lust, and watching shock movies? We are too busy picking around in the dirt to notice the greater reality above us. Our collective reality is kind of lined up with the grays.
We are so busy finding faults one another, to the point that it comes natural in us. We are focused on the fallen sides of ourselves, in each other....that how can we be connected to the GOD in us? Do I need to go into more details about what that means, unless we change?

By the way....time is very short for us to change and succeed. It does not look good right now, but the good news is is that things can change very fast, especially now.
Its all up to us, within each of us. The battle is inside.

reply to post by jziegler


What are you talking about? It specifically says the DNA from Star-Child subject is found to have DNA of a human mother, the father DNA is an unknown. Am I wrong, isn't that what I read.

[edit on 20-3-2010 by arizonascott]

Oh how I wish that it could all really be like it was in the movie 'Close Encounters of the Third Kind'.....which I first saw when I was in the first grade with my parents in an Alaskan movie theater for its second "Special Edition" theatrical release.
I remember how much that movie really BLEW my young mind away, and because it had such overwhelmingly scary yet magical effect it had on me as a child.....it remains my all time favorite movie which I hang onto like I hang onto my own inner childhood wonder.
Even the entire musical score by John Williams (all of which I have memorized entirely, note for note) has almost a religious vibe for me.

Likewise. Especially the sequences where we are communicating with sound frequencies. Wonderful stuff. If only. My everlasting applause to Mr Speilberg, A man of cinematic Genius Imo.

Pye however, is more akin to a sideshow carny, outside the 'freak' tent!

"Only $50, come on in and see the 11th wonder of the world, A rare two headed rabbit, born with only one head!"

"an unbiased independant and mainstream science source"?????
When are we supposed to be getting one of those?

You mean because scientist are all 'biased' toward observable, measurable, qualifiable reality, to evidence ?

[edit on 20-3-2010 by wayaboveitall]

Originally posted by SquirrelNutz
have heard back, once again, from the man, himself (a few hours ago):

"Scott,

Also, Amy has suggested we put a page on the Starchild website where all the skeptics can sign up with their real names and let their opinions be out there for the whole world to see, as I am forced to do because of my position.

Sign up with real names... ummm... like all his geneticists? Pye I hope you're reading this. Stop using an ATS member as a proxy. Grow a pair! Come into the forum under your real name and debate the members.

SquirrelNutz... given your completely bedazzled by Pye, do you honestly think he's going to confirm to you that he's less than honest? Perhaps it would go a little bit like this....

Scott,

I have a confession to make. Promise not to tell anyone... but... just between you and me, I throw out any evidence that suggests the 'starchild' has a human father because of my predisposition to the belief that it is an alien hybrid. I will only accept data as being valid when it is either ambiguous and I can spin a bit, or it shows irrefutably that the starchild has ET genes... even though my geneticists & I have no f****** idea what an ET chromosome looks like. You know what Scott, if it wasn't for my starchild, I'd be a nobody and I'd probably be sweeping floors at McDonalds so please don't tell anyone of my personal disclosure. We've all gotta earn a living right... and there are people in the world doing worse things than me for a buck so people should give me a break. Please Scott... mum's the word OK!

Yours in Confidence,
The Pye'ster

IRM

[edit on 21/3/10 by InfaRedMan]

Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa
reply to post by SquirrelNutz

 

I would post, with my real name, in a heartbeat if it meant exposing this fraud. I'm r-mailing him shortly to express just this opinion, along with a few other questions. If I should get a response, I'll post it here.

Way to go VneZonyDostupa! Let us know what happens.

I would like to point out that the two options, human or alien, do not seem equally likely as a choice between, say, boy or girl. A claim that the skull is human is consistent with the fact we have evidence humans exist and populate the Earth. The claim that it's alien is certainly not impossible but it's not consistent with any known facts about for example, aliens having visited the Earth. (Yes there's speculation, but no proof). So I think the burden of proof is much greater to claim it's alien than to claim it's human, as my signature says, "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence":

skeptico.blogs.com...

Strictly speaking, all claims require exactly the same amount of evidence, it’s just that most "ordinary" claims are already backed by extraordinary evidence that you don’t think about. When we say “extraordinary claims”, what we actually mean are claims that do not already have evidence supporting them, or sometimes claims that have extraordinary evidence against them. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence because they usually contradict claims that are backed by extraordinary evidence.

Like the extraordinary evidence that humans populate the Earth.

Most people are probably unaware of the amount of extraordinary evidence required for most scientific claims. Not only must the experiments be written up in such a way that others can challenge the assumptions and be able to spot errors, but they must also be independently replicated.

Strictly speaking, alien visitation does not contradict other claims that are known to be true. It is theoretically possible that aliens exist and may hold advanced technology that enables them to travel across the galaxy. But the claim is extraordinary in that there is zero evidence alien visitation has actually occurred, despite at least sixty years of looking.

It seems Pye is apparently posing "alien or human" as equally likely possibilities which I would argue is not the case, one takes more evidence to establish than the other because of all the overwhelming evidence we already have about the existence of humans.