What might really be happening in Washington State?

reply to post by Brandyfro


Maybe it is the change in weather, as it seems that fall has arrived in the Pacific NW, and I am not sure if animals would still be reacting to a quake that happened days ago.

For a few days, I kept feeling kind of strange like something was up, but maybe it is the weather, or something else.

I have a cat, but he is fine right now, there have been other times, especially this year when he goes kind of crazy, this is a new thing. I have been trying to figure out what is happening when he start acting weird, but have not been able to correlate his behavior to anything specific, at least not yet.

Or maybe it is the deep tremors, they still seem to be moving around the NW.

reply to post by PacificBlue


After a wild night and morning today, my cats have now been asleep, since about two o'clock this afternoon. I noticed there was a 2.3 up by Mount Baker, about 35 miles from me, just before noon.

I would love to think the animals are calm now because the little quake is past. I really want to believe they feel and sense changes within the earth. I am going to start keeping a diary of their behaviors, to see if there really are correlations. I have heard and read so much about animal behavior and earth and weather patterns, and I think they have a lot to teach ME!!!

In case you are no longer watching the updates for the ongoing deep tremor, here is what was posted on the 4th. Make me wonder what is really going on as it appears it is big.

I am confused though - this is the last post and it says 2009 in the run of info for 2010- I am thinking they made an error with 2009. Can anyone clear this up?

Sep 4, 2009 - The AofA experiment is over but this ETS continues with lots of very strong tremor on Vancouver Island and a continuing but weaker batch to the south nearing the Washington-Oregon border. While no experts have sent us any specific information even a seismologist can see substatial motions on many of the GPS instruments in and around the Olympics processed at Central Washington University. It seems that even instruments out near the coast are showing significant motion.

[edit on 7-9-2010 by Anmarie96]

Looks like the date has been corrected, must have been a mistake.

Source

The part in the update about the activity near the coast is interesting. If that is a new thing, I wonder if we are going to start seeing deep tremors near the coast now.

reply to post by PacificBlue


They watch us here in case you didn't know . That being said - Thanks for the fix.

And more disturbing is they have posted today this -

Sep 6, 2010 - This ETS seems to still be going on as strong or stronger than most. Strong and lengthy tremor continues to move slowly north on Vancouver Island almost reaching the Port Alberni area. The southern batch keeps moving south, now concentrated under Longview, WA. A report from Tim Melbourne of Central Washington University confirms this seismologist's suspicion that geodetic motions seem bigger than many ETS in the past. He thinks motions are on average 40% larger than seen in previous ETS including detectable uplift to the west of mapped tremor locations. Also his "Long Baseline Tilt meters show a beautiful recording (praise be summer weather), maybe 350nr of total tilt, and interesting time dependence." In another week or so some calculated slip models should be available.

reply to post by Anmarie96


Thank you anmarie96, long time lurker, new poster and still learning about deep tremors and earthquakes.

I am very interested in the subject, because I am living over the area (NW Oregon) where the deep tremors are happening.

reply to post by PacificBlue


Welcome aboard It certainly is interesting times we live in. This Deep Tremors is more fully discussed in This Thread .

[edit on 7-9-2010 by Anmarie96]

Okay, I am just going to cut and paste what I wrote over on the deep tremor thread, after discussing the animals, because I think there is a direct correllation. I am feeling more and more that the animals are reacting to the deep tremors.

My dogs are calmed down a bit more today, but your comment about them needing more affection is true with my dog also. It's almost as if they need to be consoled...not so much scared as confused.

Anyways, here is what I wrote on the other thread. I think this is far from over:


There are two comments that I would like to highlight:

...confirms this seismologist's suspicion that geodetic motions seem bigger than many ETS in the past

and this:

...motions are on average 40% larger than seen in previous ETS including detectable uplift to the west of mapped tremor locations

SOURCE

So am I reading this right? This deep tremor is bigger, longer and more intense than any recorded so far and there is detectable uplift??!! Why the heck isn't this all over the news here? I just don't get it. I mean, if our chances for the 9.0+ 'big one' is increased during these tremors, as January pointed out (thank you for your post, btw. I look forward to more info from you) than the above statements should be making a lot of people stand up and take some serious notice.


I mean, take a look at THIS interactive map of recent quakes!

Mt. Rainier had two quakes today:

10/09/07 00:53:56 46.84N 121.76W 3.2-0.2 AB
10/09/07 01:28:02 46.84N 121.76W 3.0-0.2 AB

Mt. Baker had two yesterday:

10/09/06 14:54:54 48.88N 121.94W 4.1 0.3 DD
10/09/06 18:54:06 48.87N 121.98W 2.0 2.3 BC



I happened to be up at Mt. Rainier this weekend. I have lived here in Washington State for almost my whole life, but I can only remember going there one other time. (I came to a realization as I drove up HWY 12 that this road was the source of my re-curring scary road dreams) Anyways...it was absolutely breath taking. I slept whithin about 20 miles of it one night and yes, it made me a bit nervous. As I drove past the beautiful lake nesteled at it's base the next day, I couldn't help but be reminded of Spirit lake at St. Helens. The potential for Rainier is exceptionally more than Helen's erruption, which is hard to conceive. I was fortunate enough to have a great photo op during my drive and thought I'd share with you all! Enjoy




[edit on 8-9-2010 by westcoast]

[edit on 8-9-2010 by westcoast]

Just to update anyone checking this thread. This round of deep tremors has been officially delcared over, although there are still sporadic groups of tremors...still waiting for there to be more than a 24 streatch without any.

The website says they have pulled the array and are compiling the data. I look forward to what they'll get from it.

Meanwhile, the volcanos in our backyards are still making their presence known. Here are the lists for the past week:

St. Helens:

10/09/08 05:22:29 46.19N 122.18W 0.0-0.9 AA
10/09/08 07:36:36 46.19N 122.18W 2.5-0.8 AA
10/09/08 16:15:24 46.19N 122.18W 5.3-1.1 BC
10/09/11 13:12:09 46.20N 122.18W 0.0-0.1 AB
10/09/12 00:55:16 46.19N 122.17W 3.6 0.3 AA


Rainier:

10/09/07 00:53:56 46.84N 121.76W 3.2-0.2 AB
10/09/07 01:28:02 46.84N 121.76W 3.0-0.2 AB
10/09/08 05:54:25 46.85N 121.74W 3.2 1.2 AA
10/09/10 19:38:10 46.85N 121.75W 4.0 0.5 AA


Mt. Hood:

10/09/11 22:38:00 45.34N 121.73W 7.1 0.1 AC
10/09/11 22:45:58 45.33N 121.74W 7.8 0.2 AC
10/09/14 02:59:19 45.30N 121.65W 7.6 1.4 AA


Mt. Baker:

10/09/06 14:54:54 48.88N 121.94W 4.1 0.3 DD
10/09/06 18:54:06 48.87N 121.98W 2.0 2.3 BC



PNSN LINK


And finally a list of recent quakes for the region:

MAP 1.4 2010/09/14 02:59:19 45.306 -121.654 7.6 24 km ( 15 mi) S of Parkdale, OR
MAP 1.4 2010/09/13 23:07:05 47.691 -121.918 25.2 1 km ( 0 mi) SSW of Lake Marcel-Stillwater, WA
MAP 1.7 2010/09/13 15:51:34 47.690 -122.162 0.0 2 km ( 1 mi) ENE of Kirkland, WA
MAP 1.4 2010/09/13 14:54:56 46.866 -121.922 11.9 14 km ( 9 mi) NNE of Ashford, WA
MAP 1.1 2010/09/13 10:45:32 44.455 -122.725 14.9 6 km ( 4 mi) N of Sweet Home, OR
MAP 1.1 2010/09/13 00:00:11 47.543 -122.378 3.5 5 km ( 3 mi) NNW of White Center, WA
MAP 1.3 2010/09/12 15:22:16 42.329 -122.082 10.2 28 km ( 17 mi) WNW of Klamath Falls, OR
MAP 1.1 2010/09/12 08:28:39 45.729 -122.568 16.7 2 km ( 1 mi) W of Brush Prairie, WA
MAP 1.1 2010/09/11 22:52:42 47.132 -121.796 8.6 13 km ( 8 mi) W of Greenwater, WA
MAP 1.0 2010/09/10 15:37:42 46.259 -124.107 30.8 8 km ( 5 mi) SW of Ilwaco, WA
MAP 1.2 2010/09/10 06:00:18 46.695 -122.152 20.1 8 km ( 5 mi) SSE of Elbe, WA
MAP 1.4 2010/09/09 23:19:52 46.736 -120.865 6.9 9 km ( 6 mi) WNW of Tieton, WA
MAP 1.8 2010/09/09 18:58:07 47.529 -122.394 22.9 4 km ( 3 mi) NW of White Center, WA
MAP 2.0 2010/09/09 16:32:00 47.978 -122.474 27.7 6 km ( 4 mi) SE of Freeland, WA
MAP 1.1 2010/09/09 15:36:51 48.145 -122.775 26.2 3 km ( 2 mi) N of Port Townsend, WA
MAP 1.0 2010/09/09 10:17:09 45.677 -122.831 24.8 9 km ( 6 mi) SSE of Scappoose, OR
MAP 1.8 2010/09/08 14:17:29 48.146 -121.722 11.7 7 km ( 5 mi) NNE of Verlot, WA
MAP 1.1 2010/09/08 12:19:41 48.677 -124.705 34.3 35 km ( 22 mi) N of Neah Bay, WA
MAP 2.2 2010/09/08 08:10:24 48.690 -119.689 1.5 15 km ( 10 mi) NNE of Conconully, WA
MAP 1.7 2010/09/08 07:23:37 48.690 -119.684 1.3 15 km ( 10 mi) NNE of Conconully, WA
MAP 1.8 2010/09/08 07:21:49 48.693 -119.688 0.0 16 km ( 10 mi) NNE of Conconully, WA
MAP 1.2 2010/09/08 05:54:25 46.852 -121.747 3.1 23 km ( 14 mi) ENE of Ashford, WA
MAP 1.1 2010/09/08 03:59:31 47.185 -122.204 5.8 3 km ( 2 mi) W of Bonney Lake, WA
MAP 1.9 2010/09/08 01:52:47 48.117 -122.815 27.7 3 km ( 2 mi) W of Port Townsend, WA



USGS LINK

So did you happen to feel this one Brandyfro? I know it's most likely too small, but if you are are enough east, and it was really that shallow, it's possilbe!!

Magnitude 1.8
Date-Time Thursday, September 16, 2010 at 14:18:32 UTC
Thursday, September 16, 2010 at 07:18:32 AM at epicenter

Location 48.475°N, 121.701°W
Depth 0 km (~0 mile) set by location program
Region WASHINGTON
Distances 8 km (5 miles) SSE (155°) from Concrete, WA
8 km (5 miles) W (261°) from Rockport, WA
21 km (13 miles) WSW (250°) from Marblemount, WA
26 km (16 miles) NNW (344°) from Darrington, WA
78 km (49 miles) SE (146°) from Abbotsford, British Columbia, Canada
105 km (66 miles) NNE (26°) from Seattle, WA

Location Uncertainty horizontal +/- 3.3 km (2.1 miles); depth fixed by location program
Parameters NST= 10, Nph= 10, Dmin=14 km, Rmss=0.33 sec, Gp=104°,
M-type=duration magnitude (Md), Version=0
Source Pacific Northwest Seismograph Network

Event ID uw09161418


LINK

reply to post by westcoast


Westcoast, I didn't feel it, as I was on my way to the Peninsula yesterday morning. Darn it! However, my boyfriend swore he felt one at about 1:30 am. When I checked the website, I had thought he nailed it when I saw the dot, until I saw the time. Nothing on the charts for 1:30 am, although it could have been too small to show up.

There are so many times I get a weird feeling and think I feel a jolt, I would be interested to know what they DON'T plot on the charts.

So the deep tremors, although officially called over, continue down in Southern Oregon. The last time it was updated was yesterday with over 300 epicenters in 18 hrs. I have no idea what this means, but I will continue to follow it. Here is the latest EQ list for our region:

MAP 2.0 2010/09/19 02:46:14 44.082 -122.854 7.9 11 km ( 7 mi) ENE of Springfield, OR
MAP 1.0 2010/09/18 17:53:40 46.460 -122.436 19.1 9 km ( 5 mi) SSE of Mossyrock, WA
MAP 1.1 2010/09/18 11:56:36 48.290 -123.200 51.5 20 km ( 12 mi) SE of Victoria, Canada
MAP 1.5 2010/09/17 18:32:36 48.200 -122.682 26.6 2 km ( 1 mi) S of Coupeville, WA
MAP 1.8 2010/09/17 15:58:43 45.340 -122.758 20.8 4 km ( 2 mi) N of Wilsonville, OR
MAP 1.7 2010/09/17 14:48:39 46.530 -121.390 5.5 52 km ( 32 mi) WSW of Tieton, WA
MAP 1.8 2010/09/17 10:45:56 48.312 -122.087 13.8 5 km ( 3 mi) WSW of Lake Cavanaugh, WA
MAP 1.1 2010/09/17 07:54:25 46.536 -121.411 3.1 52 km ( 33 mi) ESE of Ashford, WA

USGS LINK

St. Helens

10/09/18 11:56:45 46.19N 122.19W 0.9 0.4 AB

That's the only quake recorded for the cascade range in the past few days. Could this mean the pressure is being released south of it?

Oh man...here we go again!!!

Magnitude 4.4
Date-Time Monday, September 20, 2010 at 04:05:07 UTC
Sunday, September 19, 2010 at 07:05:07 PM at epicenter
Time of Earthquake in other Time Zones

Location 44.709°N, 129.938°W
Depth 10 km (6.2 miles) set by location program
Region OFF THE COAST OF OREGON
Distances 465 km (290 miles) W of Newport, Oregon
480 km (300 miles) WNW of Coos Bay, Oregon
505 km (315 miles) WSW of Astoria, Oregon
545 km (340 miles) W of SALEM, Oregon

Location Uncertainty horizontal +/- 15.1 km (9.4 miles); depth fixed by location program
Parameters NST= 33, Nph= 33, Dmin=495.7 km, Rmss=1.48 sec, Gp=198°,
M-type=body wave magnitude (Mb), Version=6
Source USGS NEIC (WDCS-D)


Event ID us2010bkap


USGS link

There just really hasn't been much to say lately, which is a GOOD thing! Until now.....

THIS is an interesting map right now.

Here is the list of quakes from the above link:

MAP 1.5 2010/10/04 18:24:47 43.928 -123.445 10.4 15 km ( 10 mi) SSW of Veneta, OR
MAP 1.3 2010/10/04 17:17:17 43.370 -123.164 1.0 10 km ( 6 mi) NW of Glide, OR
MAP 4.8 2010/10/04 14:51:55 49.334 -129.220 10.0 296 km (184 mi) WSW of Campbell River, Canada
MAP 1.6 2010/10/04 12:26:32 48.284 -124.847 15.9 19 km ( 12 mi) WSW of Neah Bay, WA
MAP 4.5 2010/10/04 05:56:18 49.437 -129.107 10.0 285 km (177 mi) W of Campbell River, Canada
MAP 2.2 2010/10/03 16:55:27 46.849 -121.922 11.6 13 km ( 8 mi) NE of Ashford, WA
MAP 1.0 2010/10/02 14:11:59 46.155 -123.081 23.7 7 km ( 4 mi) WSW of West Longview, WA
MAP 4.4 2010/10/02 07:51:53 44.625 -129.726 10.0 447 km (278 mi) W of Yachats, OR
MAP 1.7 2010/10/02 06:25:42 46.195 -122.189 0.0 1 km ( 1 mi) SW of Mount St. Helens Volcano, WA
MAP 2.4 2010/10/02 03:44:51 46.975 -121.933 14.3 15 km ( 9 mi) SE of Carbonado, WA
MAP 1.4 2010/10/01 16:41:18 44.558 -122.593 3.4 20 km ( 12 mi) ENE of Waterloo, OR
MAP 1.3 2010/10/01 11:21:19 42.742 -123.031 44.8 23 km ( 14 mi) NW of Shady Cove, OR
MAP 1.2 2010/10/01 02:01:50 42.751 -123.205 4.8 18 km ( 11 mi) E of Glendale, OR
MAP 1.3 2010/10/01 01:20:11 42.006 -122.374 13.1 19 km ( 12 mi) NE of Hornbrook, CA
MAP 1.4 2010/09/30 20:49:40 48.207 -124.982 14.0 32 km ( 20 mi) WSW of Neah Bay, WA
MAP 1.3 2010/09/30 19:36:17 47.526 -122.752 21.4 7 km ( 4 mi) WSW of Navy Yard City, WA
MAP 1.5 2010/09/30 12:02:41 47.697 -120.330 5.1 9 km ( 6 mi) WNW of Entiat, WA
MAP 2.1 2010/09/30 07:15:26 45.810 -123.171 51.3 6 km ( 4 mi) SSE of Vernonia, OR
MAP 1.6 2010/09/30 05:11:12 42.611 -122.402 11.9 16 km ( 10 mi) ENE of Butte Falls, OR
MAP 1.6 2010/09/30 05:05:02 42.633 -122.403 11.1 17 km ( 10 mi) NE of Butte Falls, OR
MAP 1.1 2010/09/28 22:34:46 47.781 -121.943 3.2 6 km ( 4 mi) NNE of Duvall, WA
MAP 1.9 2010/09/28 15:12:28 47.769 -121.848 7.8 10 km ( 6 mi) NNE of Lake Marcel-Stillwater, WA
MAP 1.6 2010/09/28 01:58:20 42.331 -121.657 8.5 15 km ( 10 mi) NNE of Altamont, OR
MAP 2.1 2010/09/28 00:00:57 48.989 -122.984 18.3 16 km ( 10 mi) S of Delta, Canada



While they are all obviously not in Washington State, I think it is abvious that they are all possiby related. I find it very fascinating that there were some larger quakes off shore along the fault before the tremors began and now they are apparantly over, here we again have moderate sized quakes in the same area. I am going to have to go back through this thread and find the info from those quakes and compare them.

That is an interesting map. I think I remember seeing something that looked kind of like this in the middle of May of this year, around May 14-18. That is why I noticed it this time, it was also kind of a triangle? shape of three earthquakes around the plate.

Not sure if they were in the same places, but they were also in a triangle shape, however, not sure if this means anything or if that is the usual pattern of earthquakes on the Juan de Fuca plate.

That is fascinating, that this happened before and after the tremors and maybe they are related.

reply to post by PacificBlue


I think that this is a pattern of pressure being released along the fault line...yin and yang. Think of it as a smaller scale ring of fire...same affect.

There was a decent sized quake near Helen's this morning:

Magnitude 2.3
Date-Time Thursday, October 07, 2010 at 10:02:50 UTC
Thursday, October 07, 2010 at 03:02:50 AM at epicenter
Time of Earthquake in other Time Zones

Location 46.201°N, 122.185°W
Depth 3 km (1.9 miles) set by location program
Region MOUNT ST. HELENS AREA, WASHINGTON
Distances 60 km (35 miles) E of Longview, Washington
60 km (35 miles) SW of Packwood, Washington
110 km (65 miles) SSE of OLYMPIA, Washington
155 km (95 miles) S of Seattle, Washington

Location Uncertainty horizontal +/- 0.3 km (0.2 miles); depth fixed by location program
Parameters NST= 13, Nph= 13, Dmin=0 km, Rmss=0.13 sec, Gp=119°,
M-type=duration magnitude (Md), Version=0
Source Pacific Northwest Seismograph Network

Event ID uw10071002


LINK

Not much else going on under it at the moment...but I think anything above a 2.0 mag under an active volcano is worth paying attention to!

Things have been quiet around here for the past couple of weeks........Until now!

Mt. St. Helens seems to be stretching a bit:

USGS

MAP 1.3 2010/10/16 19:52:27 46.196 -122.181 2.7 0 km ( 0 mi) S of Mount St. Helens Volcano, WA
MAP 1.4 2010/10/16 12:50:29 46.198 -122.183 2.4 0 km ( 0 mi) SW of Mount St. Helens Volcano, WA
MAP 1.3 2010/10/16 08:16:26 46.195 -122.186 1.1 1 km ( 0 mi) SW of Mount St. Helens Volcano, WA
MAP 1.5 2010/10/14 08:54:21 46.279 -122.297 10.4 13 km ( 8 mi) NW of Mount St. Helens Volcano, WA
MAP 1.0 2010/10/13 23:56:36 45.331 -121.723 4.3 20 km ( 12 mi) E of Mount Hood Village, OR
MAP 1.2 2010/10/13 13:20:40 45.351 -121.767 6.2 16 km ( 10 mi) E of Mount Hood Village, OR
MAP 1.1 2010/10/13 09:38:14 46.764 -121.906 6.8 9 km ( 5 mi) E of Ashford, WA


These haven't been updated on the PNSN......I guess that won't happen until after the weekend.

Probably just a little burp that won't lead to anything, but I thought it was worth a mention!

Originally posted by westcoast
I was going to write this under the quake watch thread, but decided I wanted to put it out there for as many people to debunk as possible.

There have been many geological and volcanic occurances around the world lately and now, closer to home. I live in the Pacific Northwest and have been an active quake watcher for some years now. Recently, I have been hearing different things in the news and seen changes with the quake patterns and today it all came together for me. I have a theory....please remember it is a theory, not a claim. What I would really like is for those of you with some knowledge to think about what I am posing and find every way possible to debunk it. I will sleep better tonight that way.

Okay, first. There was a new active volcano discovered about 200 miles offshore of washington state in 2008. Here is that article: link

Then, this past year some members of the scientific community published a paper suggesting that there is a very large magma chamber, or caldera under most of Western Washington feeding our very active volcanic range. (St. Helens, Rainier, Baker, Hood) Here are a couple of articles about it:
link

link

And a map of where it is suposed to be:

picture

This past week or so there have been several quakes off the coast of Washington/Oregon, on the fault line and some say close to the newly discovered volcano. Here is a map of those recent quakes: earthquake.usgs.gov...


Now an ATS member on the quake watch thread brought to our attention that some of the seismos located rigt over said caldera are showing what very suspicously looks like possible HT. Here is a link to that seismo:

seismo link


SO, my theory is what IF: The new volcano is being fed by magma from the caldera chamber migrating to the surface? The new quakes off shore are an indicator of some new stirrings whithin the caldera and the possible HT the magma rising now in other areas of this chamber?

Thoughts? For or against? I am thinking out loud here! Thanks in advance.

[edit on 15-3-2010 by westcoast]

Kind of ties in with this thread about a Military Tsunami drill in WA. state.. www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by GammaRayBurst


Thanks for the link....but it looks like the training was in Alaska?? Maybe it missed something...

Anyways, a tsunami is ofcourse a real concern here because of the extreme potential of the shelf were to give. It is common knowledge here that it isn't a matter of 'if', but 'when'.

Also of note, now that you reminded of my original theory. There have been recent studies coming out claiming that Yellowstone is fed by a massive column of magma and plays a large role in the PNW landscape/seismicity.

Would it be such a stretch to say that part of that plume was cut off during the migration of the plates, and now sits as a vast pool under us, feeding the cascade range???? hmmmmmm........

Well, we are having what might turn into a swarm at Mt. St. Helens. Here is the latest list for just today:

MAP 2.1 2010/10/23 05:28:34 46.246 -122.056 11.4 11 km ( 7 mi) ENE of Mount St. Helens Volcano, WA
MAP 2.4 2010/10/23 04:21:01 46.247 -122.059 12.7 11 km ( 7 mi) ENE of Mount St. Helens Volcano, WA
MAP 2.1 2010/10/23 02:25:27 46.249 -122.053 11.8 11 km ( 7 mi) ENE of Mount St. Helens Volcano, WA
MAP 1.8 2010/10/23 02:06:24 46.248 -122.058 13.0 11 km ( 7 mi) ENE of Mount St. Helens Volcano, WA

USGS


The interesting thing about these are their depth. Check out this depth/plot map for the past decade:

PLOT


You'll notice that the majority of the quakes were between 0-5 km, while the recent ones are 11-13. There were also some more recent deep tremors in the area:

Tremors

Not sure yet what this means, but I think it's worth keeping a close eye on. Those are much deeper than normal, so I'm thinking it could indicate some more magma movement, vs. the normal rumbles we are used to seeing. If that is the case then we need to be watching Rainier too.....time will tell!

(I gotta tell ya, I have had a major headache and ringing ears for the past three days)