I guarantee ATS will be banned by Australian Government.

Have I been missing something at ATS ?

Since when has ATS been showing free child porn movies, or encouraging pedophile networking, or encouraging satanism, or euthanasia, or some kind of violent jihad against the government ?

Sure, we discuss all kinds of issues here, but the mods here would instantly wipe anything in truly bad taste, let alone criminal.

So there would be no legitimate basis to ban ATS, based on the banned criteria listing, and I simply cannot ever see it happening.

This is all overblown paranoia and hysteria.
If it ever did happen, there would be massive public outrage and demonstrations.
The political blow back would be devastating.

It is unquestionably a site protesting censorship.

this came directly from the bottom of the home page you linked OP

Not to take away from the importance of the argument but the website is anti-filter campaign

Proceeds from click-through advertising are used to support this site or similar anti-filter campaigns.

nationalfilter.net.au...



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I think we're putting far too much faith in the governments ability to do things. Their own bureaucracy and obsession with paperwork will just turn this into another bloated taxpayers money slush fund that hires people to be flappers.

It'll probably take them 4-8 weeks just to take action against a site.

www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet

GetUp! Sign the online petition

We gotta stop this, pass the word round, I signed the petition a year ago, if anyone hasn't done this, PLEASE DO SO.

And if you've got the money support the censordyne add.

Spread the word.

reply to post by Silver Shadow

Originally posted by Silver Shadow
Have I been missing something at ATS ?

Since when has ATS been showing free child porn movies, or encouraging pedophile networking, or encouraging satanism, or euthanasia, or some kind of violent jihad against the government ?

Sure, we discuss all kinds of issues here, but the mods here would instantly wipe anything in truly bad taste, let alone criminal.

So there would be no legitimate basis to ban ATS, based on the banned criteria listing, and I simply cannot ever see it happening.

This is all overblown paranoia and hysteria.
If it ever did happen, there would be massive public outrage and demonstrations.
The political blow back would be devastating.

Hey Silver Shadow!
I'm glad you dropped by because a lot of the material I found was when I was writing a response to you in another thread!

Your concerns are absolutely valid! And I completely agree, ATS is NOT about encouraging crime, or promoting child porn (That doesn't exclusively mean that content in threads doesn't incite crime (Ahem.. 'lets revolution threads'??')). And I understand that perhaps the mandatory filter could go through and serve only to ban the type of material that really is abhorrent.

The point I've been trying to make, (which I think the case was made better by subsequent posts rather than the OP), is that the filtering criteria is very broad. Source

The mandatory filter does not seem to behave the same way as medias scrutinized by the OFLC, rather complaints can be made on online content complaints

You can check out what content is RC here. (Source

I'm particularly worried that material which offends against reasonable adults is in the legislation. This is why RC is so broad.
I think this is why its not surprising that the leak proved christian sect, satanism, euthanasia sites, etc etc all banned. Oh and wikileaks.
I don't always agree with the standard OFLC system, but the mandatory filter will not be the same as other medias, and we already have our problems with other medias (Banning video games), but the decision is based on the lowest denominator being some paranoid parent who thinks ATS is unsuitable, inciting crime, and conspiracy theories, and submitting it to online content complaints.

Perhaps if you don't have a problem with the filter then what do you think of the legislation? Its not just me highlighting the problem here, perhaps you might hear Iarla Flynn, Representing Google Australia:

“Our view is that the scope of the Refused Content is simply too broad,” he continued. “It covers everything from child sexual abuse material to the very grey realms of social and politically controversial materials."

EDIT: Just to emphasize the point made by Flynn, RC (evidently) applies to 'social and politically controversial materials.', at the very least I would say ATS is socially and politically controversial.


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Yeah thanks for contribution! We already uncovered that part early on!

Heres my response:

Originally posted by countercounterculture reply to post by peggy m

 

Yeah yeah, I know already sorry bout that, check the EDIT in the OP. I'm sincerely sorry for mixing up important material with a parody site. But I hope I haven't obscured said important information with my folly! This is whats great about ATS, sorting the junk from the real deal. So please read the first page and you'll notice that the bulk of the argument does not weigh upon the rage I went into as I was punked! Cheers

Originally posted by Whine Flu
It hurts me to read about this. Mainly because Australia is pretty much best friends with my country. Because of this, I have a suspicion that this could possibly take place in NZ. Well, possibly.

Oh well, hopefully I can have faith in New Zealanders to not allow this sort of crap to happen.

Hate to burst that positive bubble, if i remember correctly, they ARE starting to put this idea forward in New Zealand. There was a news bit about it being looked at here recently and some of the politicians in Wellington are croaking about its virtues, also they had a mention of it last year as well for a short while. Its really making me uneasy.

Its happening slowly, where like frogs in slowly boiling water... we wont (we'll by we I mean the idiots who think the government is all fairies and pixie dust, not us who actually think and question about stuff like this) realise its over until it really is over... and then its to late.

This has nothing to do with pedophilia... thats just the word they use to make the 'we' agree with their course of action.

Edit:-

Hmm found the TVNZ piece that mention about it... and damn it its already being phased in, despite protest, guess the next year will be interesting

TVNZ Internet Filter

Which means where getting our filter before the Ozzies ... which is interesting since I learned last night that Australia's fiber link to America is through New Zealand, which means wouldnt Australian traffic run into our net filter on its way to America?.. perhaps New Zealands filter iwas the precursor to the Ozzie one ... im probably wrong since im ignorant on that sort of thing, and I only learned about the fiber cable nz/aus connection a night ago from a news interview.

...hmm ours is 'voluntary' what ever that really means?


[edit on 15-3-2010 by BigfootNZ]

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Hey thanks for the response

here's the video embedded you were having trouble with


Great vid, Excellent info, kind off a bit off topic?

Originally posted by TheDailyPlanet
Prohibition of porn would be unenforceable. The 'illegal internet material' should be immediately removed; breaking of the law, on the internet, and material found to break the moral code - of a warped or amoral nature, if the data centers do not comply their connections to the internet can be turned off.

Really how about turn the Govt filter off. Who is the Govt. to decide what I can see and not? Who decides the moral code? Moral Codes = BS
It's how a person acts is what describes him not his her opinions or what he see.
After reading your post I am more enforced against any kind of Internet Filters. Try and stop me.

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thanks dude!!!.... i feel it's relevance lies in the fact that this is most likely the company that is pushing the technology, or is somehow actively involved in the process..

so id say it may not be entirely relevant, but there is definately a strong relationship between the two.

As i feel not that many people have an awareness of whats actually happening to this lovely country... NSW alone apparently has the 4th largest police force in the western world....

i'm not a fan of the police in blue jumpsuits (riot squad and public order police) who i see more and more of these days...

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You forgot the best trap on there... Best Viewed in Netscape Navigator.

Lmao

But nonetheless, conroy is an arse... and his plan is full of holes... making it one big.... well I'll leave that to the imagination..

looks like the cats out of the bag for Australia.Someone has printed something sensitive on Ats and there going to make all Australians members of ATS pay for that little mistake by one Australian .Intreasting the way its being done especilly when all these changes originated from top dog in the United States.They used the direct excust of stoppin pedifiles to anishiate a in-direct excust to stop Australians from accessing ATS.I wounder what they are really scared of.I will be intreasted to see what other web sites simlar to ATS will be banned by the Australian goverment.Then there is thoses cleaver people who can get around a simple problem like this.Its amasing what you can get out there.

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Man, we gotta project some positivity about this. It wont happen, if and only if it does, how do we bring it down, or subvert it. These are the things we should be talking about, don't bring it down to "its hopeless" cause its not.

Spread the petition.

Thanks lot for all the info...
Please dont get me wrong, I am all for filtering for child porn and anything else that is of the same nature but...we are being fed lies and rail roaded.
I am posting it all on FB ensuring all my mates are awware of the true nature of a lying beast.
Stars and flags from me and I am ready to fight them on this.

reply to post by ghostsoldier

Originally posted by ghostsoldier
Man, we gotta project some positivity about this. It wont happen, if and only if it does, how do we bring it down, or subvert it. These are the things we should be talking about, don't bring it down to "its hopeless" cause its not.

Spread the petition.

I think the attention that threads like this get on ATS automatically bring hope that it won't happen.

If ATS does come to their attention, be it by complaint or what have you, I would think the ACMA would think twice before blocking a site which has got so much awareness of the issue, and an international community willing to kick up an almighty fuss.

Originally posted by countercounterculture
reply to post by cosmodromia tis parnasida

 

Originally posted by cosmodromia tis parnasida
I rooting for aussie internet users too, if Australia loses free speech the rest of the world will follow, I think its just a pilot for future countries. IMO TPTB will use the aussie data to work out how they will censor the rest of us. They are talking about licences for internet use here in the uk too. sorry im no good at loading links but heres one www.techradar.com/.../internet/exclusive-the-uk-s-internet-licence-leaked-673143

Its funny you say that, the minister guru behind the whole filtering scheme IS British.

Maybe you can take him back??

Ha! You can keep him!

We've got enough problems with the idiots we've got, without taking back the bailouts!

Originally posted by deanorw
Their idea for a cleaner internet sounds good to me, but they are doing it the wrong way.

Instead of placing restrictions on a national level, they should get each ISP to implement them on their own level, then give each customer a portal where they can "opt out" out of each type of filtering they want.

That type of filtering has been around for ages and is fairly easy to implement.

You're almost there, Dean

However, an opt in "clean feed" is a better idea...You dont want your kids to view certain stuff ? Easy...Contact your ISP and they block it...

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
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The governments entire crux of their plan is about stopping bad stuff, ie child porn.
If they turn off sites like this in an instant, they'd have a revolt on their hands.

Im pretty sure this gov' is legit, what we need to be concerned about is the government that comes into power with ill-intentions.

If you believe:-

A) "The governments entire crux of their plan (sic) is about stopping bad stuff"

and

B) "I'm pretty sure this govt is legit..."


Then you probably believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny & the Tooth Fairy....Right ?

Originally posted by ghostsoldier
Man, we gotta project some positivity about this. It wont happen, if and only if it does, how do we bring it down, or subvert it. These are the things we should be talking about, don't bring it down to "its hopeless" cause its not.

Spread the petition.

Indeed...If it does happen, we need to ensure instructions on how to find/use a proxy & how to find/use a VPN provider is put out there as widely as possible on as many mainstream websites, blogs & newspaper comment sections as possible...