I guarantee ATS will be banned by Australian Government.

reply to post by Dogdish


Amen! Thank (insert your favorite deity) for anonymous!

Thanks for the link.
They say they will free us, but I think it lies in open protest against the regime.

Actually when you listen to Conroys warped view I think he sees himself as simply applying what is already the law to the internet medium.



But I still don't see the logic, I mean, cars are dangerous for children, and can be used as weapons by adults. but we don't ban total access to the industry.
I don't see how filtering the internet to protect children or to stop crime makes sense. I mean a criminal or a child can just bounce of a proxy right? So all it does is block content for honest users and enable crime.

reply to post by December_Rain


Thanks for all the links!
Also, one more to help stop internet censorship in Oz:
no clean feed

reply to post by countercounterculture


Exactly Counter, anyone with 1/4 of a brain can use a proxy, even if it is slow as shark #e...

The thing that pisses me most about this whole thing is the lie that it will protect ANYBODY from kiddie porn...

Anyone who knows anything realises that 99.5% of kiddie porn is found & distributed via P2P networks, not over the web...And the tiny minority of stuff that does appear on the web usually doesnt stay there for long...

The fact that Conroy, the Australian Christian Lobby and others have DELIBERATELY lied to the public over this issue makes my blood boil

No offense to anyone from england ,

Stephen Conroy sounds like a pom, and,WTF is a pommy doin in our government !!!!!!!!!!! I dont care where hes born ,he sounds friggan pommy !
I think i am gonna vote yes to a republic before they stuff this country up ,rrggghh

reply to post by StaceyWilson


Yep, Conroy is a pom Stacey...Tho I'm not quite sure what that has to do with the internet censorship thing ?

And he's eligible to stand in Parliament cos he's an Australian citizen...

Not that I like the guy or anything tho, I dont...I despise everything the man stands for, not just internet censorship...

reply to post by ventian

Originally posted by ventian
Man I hope you guys don't get shut down. Though if your gov is like ours in the U.S. you will find plenty of ways around that system. I will be rootin for ya.

I agree, there is always a way around it. To be honest I don't think I would be worked up at all if it were opt in voluntary or even an opt out filtering scheme. But given the track record of Conroy, and the ACMA leaks, I'm worried that a layperson won't be able to find important 'politically sensitive' material. The juicy stuff shouldn't just be available to the IT privy.

reply to post by cosmodromia tis parnasida

Originally posted by cosmodromia tis parnasida
I rooting for aussie internet users too, if Australia loses free speech the rest of the world will follow, I think its just a pilot for future countries. IMO TPTB will use the aussie data to work out how they will censor the rest of us. They are talking about licences for internet use here in the uk too. sorry im no good at loading links but heres one www.techradar.com/.../internet/exclusive-the-uk-s-internet-licence-leaked-673143

Its funny you say that, the minister guru behind the whole filtering scheme IS British.

Maybe you can take him back??

reply to post by countercounterculture


Just a bit of an addendum to the thread...

The government is committed to introducing the legislation for the filter to the House of Reps by the end of this week apparently, so it looks like they want to have this thing thru both houses of parliament by the end of the autumn session...

Question is, who will stand along side the Greens & block the legislation when it reaches the Senate ? It will pass thru the House of Reps as the government has the numbers to pass it without support from any other parties...

reply to post by Retrovertigo


And Google weighs in on the debate:

Now Conroy wants Google to filter YouTube in Australia

Google, however, is having none of it, denying both Conroy’s claims about deep-packet filtering and suggestions it would voluntarily filter RC content. “We don’t believe the comparisons between how China filters the Internet, and how Australia is looking at it, are relevant,” Google Australia head of policy Iarla Flynn told APCmag.com.

“Our view is that the scope of the Refused Content is simply too broad,” he continued. “It covers everything from child sexual abuse material to the very grey realms of social and politically controversial materials. YouTube is not for hate speech or pornography, and there are millions of people looking at our videos who can flag any video [as offensive]. But we cannot give assurances that we would voluntarily filter all refused classification content from YouTube.”

"social and politically controversial materials"

well i guess i can still post in the religion forums when the filter arrives.... maybe.

[edit on 14/3/10 by countercounterculture]

Dear Australian friend, the site you directed me to check out punk'd you.

To begin with Stephen "Control" is not a real name and the picture is not anyone employed by the Australian government. [I did a little more research.] Nor is the poll a "first" internet poll employed by the creators of the website you listed.

In this specific website, reverse psychology appears to be the basis of drawing your attention. I am not really clear as to the purpose of this group's intention but I will have more information when my friends with more sources get back to me.

The poll is make believe... it made you believe, didn't it? I wil not discount your conspiracy theory; unfortunately, the site you used is not valid to support your argument.

"Eekonomy" instead of Economy was my second clue. That is how I would avoid a heavy penalty of trying to impersonate an official in a government office. A simple misspelling often gets overlooked by those who do not look for truth but simply look for those things they seek.

Sorry friend, but do keep looking because our governments are seeking ways to control us; this site is just not our source of proof; too many inconsistencies and not enough validation. However, this test in our abilities to look not at the surface of a claim but the validity of it is far more valuable. For that, I thank you.

reply to post by countercounterculture

Its funny you mention the word guru, here in the uk weve got a "business guru" ( peter mandleson) who is running the country and he wasnt elected by the people. i think the word guru is used as a metaphor for spin doctor. I used to live in Tasmania years ago i think bob hawk was pm at the time, We got deported back to the uk because my mum wrote an article about australian fascism in a local paper.

reply to post by peggy m


Yeah yeah, I know already sorry bout that, check the EDIT in the OP.
I'm sincerely sorry for mixing up important material with a parody site.

But I hope I haven't obscured said important information with my folly!

This is whats great about ATS, sorting the junk from the real deal.
So please read the first page and you'll notice that the bulk of the argument does not weigh upon the rage I went into as I was punked!

Cheers

reply to post by countercounterculture


Sounds like they want to shut down the Free Web:

...the mandatory (FORCED) filter not only blocks out child pornography but:

Regular Pornography
Homosexual material
Politically sensitive material
Other parliamentary parties
Video games
Contraversial issues: ie Euthanasia

But they forgot Christian.

reply to post by soficrow

Originally posted by soficrow
reply to post by countercounterculture

 

But they forgot Christian.

They didn't forget christian!

Originally posted by countercounterculture

Leaked Australian blacklist reveals banned sites

But about half of the sites on the list are not related to child porn and include a slew of online poker sites, YouTube links, regular gay and straight porn sites, Wikipedia entries, euthanasia sites, websites of fringe religions such as satanic sites, fetish sites, Christian sites, the website of a tour operator and even a Queensland dentist.

well actually it appears they only banned some(?) christian, I guess anything that isn't Conroys specific Catholic brand. Surprised that Atheist sites weren't banned.

EDIT: Text in wrong quote.



[edit on 14/3/10 by countercounterculture]

I suggest writing letters to all Australian newspapers about this.

That won't do any good. The "old" media would be glad to see the death of the internet as they're losing money hand over fist because of it.

[email protected]

Thats the pillock's email address. I vote we spam it with hate mail.

reply to post by TokiTheDestroyer


lol NO, dont do that, thats a parody address! please read the EDIT in the first post..

his real email is REMOVED, but I still wouldn't condone spamming. more fuel to the fire, it would inspire him.

He thinks he is doing the right thing, its his job to enforce RC (restricted content) its just that he draws the line way beyond free speech borders.

When he thinks RC he thinks child porn, sex predators, crime corroboration. buuuuuuut also controversial issues, competing parties, religious differences, video games etc etc

EDIT: decided to remove his real email, I don't want to incite irresponsible behavior


[edit on 14/3/10 by countercounterculture]

reply to post by TokiTheDestroyer


I understand the rage against this type of guy, BELIEVE ME, i do.
But spamming or harassing, hate mail, is not going to change his mind. It wouldn't change mine.

This kind of crap has to come to a stop they have NO right to regulate or ban free speech on the internet. This is nothing but the governments protecting the lies and fraud they do, they don't want the truth out since the corporate media is nothing more than propaganda masters that do their bidding. The free internet and radio is about the only real news source left.
This kind of thing they want to do in the USA as well, so if you live in the states don't feel to comfortable because it is coming here we well.

man thats a bummer

[edit on 14-3-2010 by speedmaster]