Australia on internet watchlist with Iran, North Korea

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Hi :-) Maybe...Maybe not

Considing it is Friday night here I was concerned that I would sound like I'd been drinking all night *hick* which I havn't

The next bit is rather off the cuff with no real sources to hand to back myself up, but as overal feelings go, I feel each country (social constraints etc) is being used to test out different bits of public tech..

The UK is the proving ground for cameras, Germany appears to be sorting out the ID side (I hear they are thinking about a new card with RFID chips) Australia the internet, the US seems to have the whole bodyscanner thing tied up neatly etc etc.

I just have a feeling that if you look at each country, the predominant focus on public tech will be different but with the same aim..

Then you have the whole economy of scale thing from the coporate perspective, which will mean Govs will be sold and adopt those systems that are already in action.. For me this is one of the nastier aspects of globalisation..

So what I am really trying to say, is that you can not be hard on yourselves as Australians, as we are all in the same boat, we are all being manipulated in different ways, but towards the same goal...

Which is something that I find quite sickening, and quite scary.

Just food for thought...

Still, hope you have a great weekend

Regards

TFJ

edit to add plurals... seems I keep missing my "s" tonight..

[edit on 12/3/10 by thoughtsfull]

Originally posted by ocker
Thanks for the link to save the net

www.getup.org.au...

Interesting thread Well done

Ocker

G'day ocker

Thanks for "dropping in"

Let's hope Rudd & his scheme will "drop out"

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

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G'day thoughtsfull

That is well expressed & interesting.....thanks mate

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

reply to post by ProfFarq


ProfFarq.....

I think your post is in bad taste.

Regards
Maybe...maybe not

Maybe bad taste, but it's true. Face it.

Originally posted by MemoryShock
When Will We Look At The Corporations And The Coding?

Cheer, Mate.

It's not the governments in my opinion...necessarily...

THanks mate - I'm intending on doing a PHD on the fact that its the corporations - NOT the governments. Government is a tool - like negotiation - it can be misused, corrupted and abused - but ultimately it is the corporations who have assumed control.

Originally posted by Retrovertigo
If any government is stupid enough to introduce compulsory internet filtering, myself & 10's of thousands of other people will ensure the instructions to circumvent said filter will appear on every newspaper comments page & every blog that could possibly be accessed by Australian internet users (children included)

Compulsory internet filtering for all Australians has never been suggested, that is just inconceivable.

I find it fascinating that some of the most vocal hysterics about this internet censorship issue are coming from America.
Australians understand the reality of what is actually being discussed, and what is going on over here far better.

Both the Australian public, and the Australian government wish for an effective way to protect our younger children from the flood of filth, immorality, and depravity that is mainly (but not all) coming from America.

It will be technically very challenging to achieve the outcome we want, but if it can be done at all, we will find a way to do it.

If it can be done effectively without effecting adult access or bandwidth, it will be popular here in oZ, once people understand the reasoning and the philosophy behind it.



[edit on 12/3/2010 by Silver Shadow]

Originally posted by ProfFarq
Maybe bad taste, but it's true. Face it.

G'day ProfFarq

Would you consider erasing your post for me?

It is in bad taste & very jarring with the rest of the rational commentary.

Edit to add: I have asked the mods to remove your post

Thank you
Maybe...maybe not

[edit on 12-3-2010 by Maybe...maybe not]

Originally posted by Maybe...maybe not

Would you consider erasing your post for me?

Yes please remove it.

Originally posted by Silver Shadow
Well, it is like this...............

My guess is, they will tread very carefully, because in this country, the public will totally and without mercy destroy the political career of anyone that irritates them even slightly.

Should be interesting.

[edit on 12/3/2010 by Silver Shadow]

Yeah, your "guess" may be accurate, but only because politicians are trained to always be careful. After all, their long-term careers are reliant on a precise, careful, and methodical way-forward to keep their Seat.

However, the Australian constituancy has been off their game for a good flamin' decade in my view. It would be nice to think of ourselves as such an advanced democracy of constituents that we don't fall for the 'core' and 'non-core promises' rhetoric the politicians spew in lesser democracies, and in our own past voting history - and which are believed.

I have peered into Australia through the prism of the wise blue-collar worker of the early to mid-20th century, where an unspoken pact had developed between largely Australian-born voters into a pattern of voting without allegiance or loyalty to any one brand of party, in my view. Then, Australia was characterized by a 'swing-vote' mentality which consisted of always looking at the "other" hand and what it was holding. Where the political career was really up for grabs as 'spin-doctoring' hadn't pervaded the landscape of politics to any large and formidable extent. Where there was still a naivety that what one politician was promising (holding in his hand) was what would be delivered, and such.

Which is why, now, Rudd's term will be determined on the issue of Health and not the filtration of the internet, or any other item save perhaps - as always - the Economy. Health will be the battleground because the Australian people might finally be awakening from the lullaby told by Howard (a master politician); if the intelligence of authors on this post is anything to go by.

It'll be interesting, no doubt, Silver Shadow. For mine, it'll be interesting if people again realize that we can get what we want when we're voting 'em in and voting 'em out. (Leave partisan voting patterns for the Yanks. They have a long and proud history there.) Let's follow the damn, French Frogs.

...Seems I've been carried away by a somewhat off-topic, topic.

...The filtration of the internet by the Australian Government: If the USofA says its wrong than I believe its wrong and therefore shouldn't happen. A simplistic view, but nevertheless a rising one.

A referendum on the matter? Not worth my time, really. Why? Because there will always be a way 'round measures the government puts in place. Get enough people turning right at a "no right turn" intersection and not only won't those drivers be fined, but the sign will be taken down and the intersection changed to suit the situation which developed.

Australia is an advanced democracy, of that there can be no doubt. We'll see if the constituancy finally rises to the advanced level so present in similar democracies 'round the world.

Back to school, folks!

The teacher?: The Troll-King of Chatsitea.

Ha-ha!

reply to post by Daniel Moszkowicz


Yup, you are right Daniel
Aussies have had it pretty good for a while and are becoming complacent.

But the only thing I can think of held more sacred to an Aussie than full internet access, would be his right to drive his own car.

If Rudd is silly enough to start blocking selected internet sites from everyone, there will be HELL to pay.

Originally posted by Silver Shadow

Originally posted by Maybe...maybe not

Would you consider erasing your post for me?

Yes please remove it.

G'day Silver Shadow

The mods were kind enough to remove that remark for me.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

Originally posted by Silver Shadow
reply to post by Daniel Moszkowicz

 

If Rudd is silly enough to start blocking selected internet sites from everyone, there will be HELL to pay.

Perhaps...

Unlikely though, especially if the smoke-screen of one of the world's fastest internet connections to each home in the country - continues to be rolled-out and used as a sign that this is a grand, superior and worthwhile achievement which was a major (core) election promise, and now achieved.

I personally haven't heard too much from the Libs on this issue. I guess they don't want to alienate themselves with the constituency so early in the debate. Surely whether there will be much "hell to pay" will be determined by the strength of the opposing argument by someone with a voice which can be heard within the political landscape.

With such a large landmass in such a free country, the issue of the car and the driver's right to use it for said purpose will always remain a deeply-held right and freedom; I agree. Thanks for allowing me to make it.

Originally posted by Silver Shadow

Originally posted by Retrovertigo
If any government is stupid enough to introduce compulsory internet filtering, myself & 10's of thousands of other people will ensure the instructions to circumvent said filter will appear on every newspaper comments page & every blog that could possibly be accessed by Australian internet users (children included)

Compulsory internet filtering for all Australians has never been suggested, that is just inconceivable.

I find it fascinating that some of the most vocal hysterics about this internet censorship issue are coming from America.
Australians understand the reality of what is actually being discussed, and what is going on over here far better.

Both the Australian public, and the Australian government wish for an effective way to protect our younger children from the flood of filth, immorality, and depravity that is mainly (but not all) coming from America.

It will be technically very challenging to achieve the outcome we want, but if it can be done at all, we will find a way to do it.

If it can be done effectively without effecting adult access or bandwidth, it will be popular here in oZ, once people understand the reasoning and the philosophy behind it.
[edit on 12/3/2010 by Silver Shadow]

Have you been in a cave for the last 18 mths or so ? Compulsory internet filtering for all Australians is EXACTLY what the government is suggesting.

No, its not inconceivable...In fact technically its very easy to put in place...Several countries throughout the world already have similar measures in place...

I find it fascinating that some people might take the opportunity to bash the US when the post you quoted (mine) came from an Australian...Never heard of Terra Australis, eh ?

It can already be done effectively without *AFFECTING* adult access or bandwidth...There are a myriad of PC based internet filters that are available free from government that achieve this...

It will be popular in Oz, eh ? I'll bet you a gorilla it wont be if it does happen...Care to wager ?

No, thought not...

One of the most ill informed posts I've seen on this subject ANYWHERE on the net in the last 18 mths Which makes you look like a goose...

Edit - punctuation

[edit on 13-3-2010 by Retrovertigo]

Originally posted by Silver Shadow

Compulsory internet filtering for all Australians has never been suggested, that is just inconceivable.

WRONG!

Green light for internet filter plans

The Federal Government will introduce compulsory internet filtering

Leaked Australian blacklist reveals banned sites

But about half of the sites on the list are not related to child porn and include a slew of online poker sites, YouTube links, regular gay and straight porn sites, Wikipedia entries, euthanasia sites, websites of fringe religions such as satanic sites, fetish sites, Christian sites, the website of a tour operator and even a Queensland dentist.

Video Interview of Stephen Conroy

Internet Censorship in Australia (Wiki)



AND finally the Official site:

nationalfilter.net.au...

On this site you can find important information about Australia's exciting new regime of Internet censorship

Almost as exciting as the NAZI regime thanks Conroy!


WANNA STOP IT?
nocleanfeed.com...

Thank u.

reply to post by countercounterculture


G'day countercounterculture

Thanks for posting those links.

This whole Rudd plan is disgusting.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

Yes thanks for the links.

The government has just announced that they do plan to do some compulsory blocking, but not until next year.
This came out less than four weeks ago, and I was unaware of it.
Thanks for bringing me up to speed.

The banned list of 10,000 sites by ACMA only applies to the makers of internet filters that parents and teachers can buy now.

It has nothing to do with anything the government may decide.
The ACMA list is only intended to apply to computers used by children.

That list would hardly be appropriate for general blanket censorship for everyone.

For example, the ACMA list blocks gambling sites.
A great many Australians enjoy a smoke, a beer, and to gamble.
I just cannot imagine gambling sites being blocked for all Australians.

I suppose we will just have to wait and see what happens.
But my guess is, anything they introduce will need to be very well thought out if it not going to cause a massive negative political backlash.

So far, we have had several fairly unpopular ideas rammed down our throats that eventually worked out very well.
Three examples are, seat belts and crash helmets, Medicare, and the Goods and Services Tax.
It is far too early yet to judge what may be being planned for the internet.




[edit on 13/3/2010 by Silver Shadow]

reply to post by Silver Shadow


G'day Silver Shadow

I don't agree there is a valid comparison to be made between the "seat belt" type issue & Rudd's internet filtering plan.

There were no "down sides" to the "seat belt" type issues & there was no credible protest from the government opposition.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

Originally posted by Maybe...maybe not

I don't agree there is a valid comparison to be made between the "seat belt" type issue & Rudd's internet filtering plan.

Maybe you are not old enough to remember the absolute public outrage when the government first brought in these seat belt laws.
What made it worse, was Australia was one of the first countries to introduce compulsory seat belts.
And the controversy went on for many years afterwards.

Let's wait and see exactly what they propose to do before becoming too hysterical about this issue.

[edit on 13/3/2010 by Silver Shadow]