Australia on internet watchlist with Iran, North Korea

Originally posted by Maybe...maybe not
reply to post by Sahrhyce

 

G'day again Sahrhyce

I dunno mate.....

You're in Canberra.....

You might be one of 'em!

I tell ya, your lucky I'm a guest in you're thread because I know people!!...I mean, wait, I didn't say that.... I'm not one of them!



[edit on 12-3-2010 by Sahrhyce]

Originally posted by Maybe...maybe not
The experts also suggest that many of these kids are so computer savvy they will be able to run rings around any attempted remote filtering, if the supervision is lax enough that they have time to do that.

That is precisely the problem.

Introducing an expensive scheme that just does not work, or is completely ineffective, is pointless.
No political cookie doing that !!

Originally posted by Silver Shadow

Originally posted by Maybe...maybe not
The experts also suggest that many of these kids are so computer savvy they will be able to run rings around any attempted remote filtering, if the supervision is lax enough that they have time to do that.

That is precisely the problem.
Introducing an expensive scheme that just does not work, or is completely ineffective, is pointless. No political cookie doing that !!

G'day Silver Shadow

Let's hope that kills it.....

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

When dealing with child pornography what we need to do is find them, arrest them and rehabilitate them.

Rehabilitate? Sadly I dont think your joking.
If found guilty, straight out back the courthouse and a bullet in the head.
Odd how the same folk who would whine about freedoms and democracy over internet filtering, also oppose the death penalty.

I have no issue with filtering of certain content. Im not paranoid enough to automatically assume its the end of free expression, NWO etc etc etc
EVERY effort made to thwart scumbags is a worthwhile one IMO.

[edit on 12-3-2010 by wayaboveitall]

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As much as I'd like to support the sentiment of killing those found guilty of interfering with children (and I would) studies show that a large majority of those who are paedophilic were themselves molested as youngsters. So the argument then becomes either kill everyone who was molested for fear that they'll grow into one or rehabilitate and sort whatever it is that is wrong in their heads.

A tough proposition I know - but when do you stop feeling sorry for a child and start hating them as an adult?

Back onto the subject of internet censorship - surely a set of TV programs showing good practise would be an effective method of training the millions of parents of Australia on how to effectively use their computers without running up too much money.

Now if only Australia had a wealth of TV production studios and animated, yet informed, presenters...

-m0r

tough proposition I know - but when do you stop feeling sorry for a child and start hating them as an adult?

At the point that they become as bad as their childhood attacker.
So rehabilitate molested kids. Adult peadophiles cannot be rehabilitated, and why should my taxes pay to keep them alive? (along with other kinds of scumbags). Death penalty.
One less pedo to molest kids who might grow up to molest other kids.
It has to stop somewhere.
The bleeding hearts have had it their way too long. We need a politician with big enough balls to bring back the death penalty in Australia.

P.S. M, I think we've gone off topic mate.



[edit on 12-3-2010 by wayaboveitall]

Originally posted by wayaboveitall
P.S. M, I think we've gone off topic mate.

Yeah, but it was a fun, if somewhat harrowing, conversation

Might as well post the Save the Net campaign link again to keep us on topic.

-m0r

M, I started a thread for further discussion re death penalty/justice system

www.abovetopsecret.com...

cheers

Originally posted by wayaboveitall

tough proposition I know - but when do you stop feeling sorry for a child and start hating them as an adult?

At the point that they become as bad as their childhood attacker.
So rehabilitate molested kids. Adult peadophiles cannot be rehabilitated, and why should my taxes pay to keep them alive? (along with other kinds of scumbags). Death penalty.
One less pedo to molest kids who might grow up to molest other kids.
It has to stop somewhere.
The bleeding hearts have had it their way too long. We need a politician with big enough balls to bring back the death penalty in Australia.

P.S. M, I think we've gone off topic mate.

[edit on 12-3-2010 by wayaboveitall]

The problem with rehabilitation is that our psychiatry system is flawed. We have thrown away common sense and opted instead for sleazy dirt from Freud. The basis of psychiatry is sleazy dirt.

If any government is stupid enough to introduce compulsory internet filtering, myself & 10's of thousands of other people will ensure the instructions to circumvent said filter will appear on every newspaper comments page & every blog that could possibly be accessed by Australian internet users (children included)

10's of thousands of websites will also be created & heavily publicised to ensure all Australian internet users including children know how to circumvent the filters...

Now...obviously any filter will slow web traffic to one extent or another...

But one thing will be certain, Australians WILL have the ways and means at their disposal to view what they wish on the internet, when they wish...

Make no bones about it...

Originally posted by ghostsoldier
I'm all for the censorship of some things (ie child pornography etc.)

Why support a gateway law?

CP is illegal..it just is. now you also support the supposed censoring of it...the phantom websites that dont really exist because it has a keyword in there.
You know what else is illegal? drugs...do you also support censoring drug use and reference sites? I mean, its illegal after all
What about bomb making info...making a bomb is illegal, lets also censor it
and how about violence? violence and murder is illegal.

if you have CP, your going to go to get some probation if your lucky, more than likely jail..there is no kiddypr0n.com website to censor...thats just an excuse to get censorship accepted so they can piggyback a ton of other censorship. Stand up and say no censorship whatsoever, dont be scared...things that are illegal are illegal and will take care of itself. The moment you let these bastards take one half a inch step in your door is the day the door comes off. The places people are getting cp are not through the censored areas, its through secret places, so censoring does not work anyhow

And when the legislation passes and ATS isn't banned, what will you all start harping on about next??

ATS is available in China, so I think Australia, being a non communist country and all, would obviously not block it.

Do you think they are going to ban youtube aswell?? As it is the best way to express your views on anything.

here is an example of how the internet will never be a safe place to express your "views", with or without a filter:
www.perthnow.com.au...

reply to post by ghostsoldier


although I am strongly against child pornography and find those who show an interest in it disgusting human beings, we cannot have any governmental body censoring things from us. Regardless of the censoring its still going to be there, changes need not be made on the internet by the government when it comes to things like that, changes need to be made in the individuals who seek those kind of things.

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by ghostsoldier
I'm all for the censorship of some things (ie child pornography etc.)

...thats just an excuse to get censorship accepted so they can piggyback a ton of other censorship.
The moment you let these bastards take one half a inch step in your door is the day the door comes off. The places people are getting cp are not through the censored areas, its through secret places, so censoring does not work anyhow

G'day SaturnFX

I think you summed that up well

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

G'day 1xion325alpha

And when the legislation passes and ATS isn't banned, what will you all start harping on about next??

I don't believe it's isn't fair to demean the members' commentary in this thread by accusing them of "harping".....?

The discussion has been quite rational.

ATS is available in China, so I think Australia, being a non communist country and all, would obviously not block it.

Whilst ATS is available in China, the experience of members in China (as reported by those members) is that access is often so slow as to be unworkable. Much of that is believed to have been caused by heavy filtering & surveillance.

Do you think they are going to ban youtube aswell?? As it is the best way to express your views on anything.

YT is already being targeted by various means, so the YT issue is certainly not straightforward, either.

I also disagree that YT is the best way to express one's views on anything. Reasonable discussion can be difficult because of the extremely loose nature of the moderation, if there is any at all. Reasonable discussion simply cannot cut through the YT "noise".

here is an example of how the internet will never be a safe place to express your "views", with or without a filter:
www.perthnow.com.au...

Your link did not work when I tried it.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not]

[edit on 12-3-2010 by Maybe...maybe not]

I see this as the natural way forward,

The natural way forward for the Elite to get the control they want.

In my mind they are testing out lots of new tech, but testing different tech out in different countries..

Each country is getting stuffed by them in different ways while they perfect the tech, iron out the wrinkles so they can then serve it up to the world under the guise that it is for our *cough* protection and *cough* safety..

Originally posted by thoughtsfull

The natural way forward for the Elite to get the control they want.

In my mind they are testing out lots of new tech, but testing different tech out in different countries..

G'day thoughtsfull

I hadn't really thought about the "testing" issue like that.

On the one hand, that could make sense if the various countries were well organised together.

On the other hand, I'm not sure they're that well organised.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

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I was thinking more along the lines of Elite in the coporates...

Each Gov is only a "potential" customer and each population the potential market.. Can't swamp a single market with your testing as it could squew the testing/proving ground to sell your product to all the other customers out there

Look at how they test new drugs, they don't do that all in one country they spread the testing amongst multiple countries.. Just as they are doing here.

Do you think they could, say, add internet monitoring in the UK without a major backlash.. Each market has it's limits, Australia is currently at it's limit, So is the UK. So no new tech for you for a while, and we got the cameras to test I hear the new speech recognition software in some cameras is programed to "listen" for certain key words!!

Sorry if my original post (or this one) is not that clear... Is Friday night in the UK

have a good weekend.

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G'day again thoughtsfull

OK.....I see your point.

I think that is certainly within the realms of "ths possible".

Different regs, tech capabilities & regulations would influence that.

The "pharmaceutical" analogy isn't a bad one

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

Thanks for the link to save the net
www.getup.org.au...

Interesting thread Well done

Ocker