Cutting All 47 Columns Wasn't Necessary

As many of you remember, we have seen many pictures of core columns cut at an angle. There has been controversy over whether those were cut after the fact, by clean up crews in order to dismantle the columns- or whether they are actual evidence of thermite cuts to bring the building down.

Here is one such video, which shows several pictures of these:



My simple point with this thread is that it wouldn't have taken cutting all of the columns to bring the buildings down. All that was necessary was to cut key columns such that the remaining stress load was too great for the rest of the columns, thus causing them to collapse. It may very well explain why we also see just BENT columns, in addition to the "cut" ones.

In this video, Gordon Ross explains exactly this, that column rows 5, 6, 9, and 10 were cut, or rather, as he later goes on to suggest with a picture for evidence, were weakened or severed with explosives.



See about 4:30

He even states at about 4:50 that "The weakest core columns, the ones in rows 7 & 8, they stayed upright..."

Also he critically points out that the strongest columns, which were accessible close to elevator shafts failed, while the weaker columns, that were not accessible to the elevator shafts, survived the initial stages of the collapse.

Obviously "accessible to the elevator shafts" would imply the ability to plant charges of some kind on or near them. But there is more-

The rest of his presentation:





The precise calculations necessary to achieve this were not likely performed by cave-dwelling Afghanis. :shk: No, more likely it would have been someone who had access to very detailed plans along with precise weight and stress load distributions of the towers to be able to accomplish this.

[edit on Wed Mar 10th 2010 by TrueAmerican]

well done TA!
The first video picture is the one that convinced me that the towers were brought down by controlled demolition. My heart stopped the first time I saw that.
The next proof to me was the molten metal pouring from the corner of the WTC tower.
The final nail in the coffin was WTC 7 and it;s perfectly symmetrical collapse.

HOW OBVIOUS CAN IT GET!!!!

S&F

Originally posted by TrueAmerican

Here is one such video, which shows several pictures of these:

THIS one just points to cleanup crew and not from a thermite charge.
Oxy-lance was used for the cuts by the crew.
Sorry.

Originally posted by redgy
THIS one just points to cleanup crew and not from a thermite charge.
Oxy-lance was used for the cuts by the crew.
Sorry.

What a sorry ass cop out way to respond to this thread. You obviously didn't read beyond the first paragraph... :shk:

But, I suppose that's to be expected. Sigh.

Get real.

1. What did the cutting?
2. Were the columns cut before or after the planes hit?
3. If the columns were cut after the planes hit how did the charges survive the impact and fire?
4. The collapse started in the impact area on both towers, how did the people placing the charges know where the planes were going to hit?

This theory has more holes in it than a fishing net.

I just watched a Mythbusters episode where they set off over 1000 lbs of thermite on an old car. When it was done, you could still tell that it was a car. The thermite just flowed off of it before it could cut all the way through.

If you're admitting that there only needed to have a handful of columns to fail in order for the entire building to fail, then you've just disproved these convoluted conspiracy scenario you've been trying to push to begin with.

The partial column faiulure scenario is literally the EXACT SAME THING that NIST says- enough critical columns were damaged that the remaining undamaged columns could no longer hold the extra stress load that was transferred to them, so they collapsed too. The only difference is that you're claiming it was due to "invisible explosives planted by murderous government ninjas", rather than "warpage from irregular thermal expansion caused by the fires". There isn't anything "highly mathematical" nor even complex about it, as "the straw that broke the camel's back" concept has been around for millennia.

FYI yes, the columns with the angle cuts WERE done by the workmen removing the wreckage from ground zero. They were cut in order to fit the wreckage onto the trucks bringing it out of the ground zero site, and there are too many pictures and eyewitnesses of the process out there to debate that fact any more. You've simply been had by those damned fool conspiracy web sites deliberately trying to get people all paranoid over shadows.

reply to post by GoodOlDave


Oh yes, of course!

And I suppose it was just coincidence that the strongest columns, which were accessible close to elevator shafts failed, while the weaker columns, that were not accessible to the elevator shafts, survived the initial stages of the collapse.

Yep. All just conspiracy theory.

I wasn't trying to cop out your post, and did read what you said.

my belief for that vid is for cleanup crew cuts and not thermite charges being as you posted this vid as being speculative for both parties.

I was just putting my view across on this and not the whole of your post.

reply to post by redgy


Well then, did you watch the Gordon Ross videos? Got a comment on those?

Originally posted by TrueAmerican
reply to post by GoodOlDave

 

Oh yes, of course!

And I suppose it was just coincidence that the strongest columns, which were accessible close to elevator shafts failed, while the weaker columns, that were not accessible to the elevator shafts, survived the initial stages of the collapse.

Yep. All just conspiracy theory.

Turner Construction or somebody pretending to be them, was in the core structure for an entire year prior to 9-11, allegedly working on the elevators. Plenty of time to assist the Towers in their top-down explosive demolition. There is evidence of other people with untraceable security passes to the towers.

post by SPreston

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Originally posted by SPreston
Turner Construction or somebody pretending to be them, was in the core structure for an entire year prior to 9-11, allegedly working on the elevators. Plenty of time to assist the Towers in their top-down explosive demolition. There is evidence of other people with untraceable security passes to the towers.

Well, maybe it was this company, ACE Elevators, according to this link:

On Sept. 11, ACE Elevator of Palisades Park, N.J., had 80 elevator mechanics inside the World Trade Center.

Following the Port Authority's emergency plan, after the first jet hit the north tower, elevator mechanics from both towers reported to the fire safety desk in the south tower lobby for instructions from police or firefighters. About 60 mechanics had arrived in the south tower lobby and others were in radio contact when the second jet struck that building.

"We were standing there trying to count heads when the second plane hit (the south tower)," said Peter Niederau, ACE Elevator's supervisor of the modernization project.

www.elevatorbobs-elevator-pics.com...

Nice modernization project that was. eh?

The towers were undergoing renovation, so what? I was up there in July measuring for a perimeter lighting system that was going to be installed in the mall between the two towers. I never had security credentials.

reply to post by TrueAmerican


One of my friends is elevator mechanic - was personal friends with many
of the mechanics at WTC

He knew the ACE supervisor who ran back into the building and was
killed in collapse - maybe like to try your lunatic conspiracy fantasies
on him

By the way he is scheduled to install the elevators in the FREEDOM TOWER
starting this fall.....

Lunatic Conspiracy Fantasies? Just because a story is presented doesn't mean the presenter is a lunatic. Likewise, just because you say you have a friend that was an elevator mechanic, doesn't mean you are telling the truth.

What do you suppose happened? The official story right?

reply to post by jeffiriff


Nah, it's ok jeff. You see, notice that the debunkers can't get to the real meat of this thread, which is Gordon Ross's presentation. It's not about me, although they try to make it so with insults. It's par for the course, but a necessary evil I suppose if one wishes to discuss these things on ATS.

Originally posted by thedman
your lunatic conspiracy fantasies

I want to see what you have to make up or concoct to explain away the smoke coming from the ends of the steel beams:


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These beams are still smoking on the ends from being cut with explosives. Tell me, what would the explanation be in your universe since everything is "lunatic fantasies" to you?

Originally posted by thedman
he is scheduled to install the elevators in the FREEDOM TOWER
starting this fall

Except there is no "Freedom Tower" anymore. It's name was changed to "One World Trade Center".

Where's the "face-in-palm" smiley when you need it.




[edit on 10-3-2010 by _BoneZ_]

i just finished watching jesse venturas 9/11 episode and was pretty shocked at what i saw. What is everyones take on Mike Balone? Also didn't william rodriguez, mr last man out, say that he heard explosions below right before the plane hit?

Originally posted by BeastMaster2012
Also didn't william rodriguez, mr last man out, say that he heard explosions below right before the plane hit?

Rodriguez wasn't the only one that reported an explosion before the first plane hit. Watch the following video to see several others say the exact same thing:





There are dozens of documented witnesses to the explosions in the basement levels, well after both planes had already hit.

Originally posted by BeastMaster2012
Also didn't william rodriguez, mr last man out, say that he heard explosions below right before the plane hit?

No he did not, he changed his story when he started doing speaking tours to hearing explosions.

Originally posted by dereks

Originally posted by BeastMaster2012
Also didn't william rodriguez, mr last man out, say that he heard explosions below right before the plane hit?

No he did not, he changed his story when he started doing speaking tours to hearing explosions.

Beastmaster, don't listen to the few like the above that will try to dissuade you from your search of truth. The faithers like "dereks" have been asked to show how and where Rodriguez changed his story, but they cannot comply.

But, it doesn't really matter if he did change his story or add details later, there are plenty of witnesses in the video that I posted above that also say there was an explosion before the first plane impacted.

People like "dereks" like to attack other people instead of debate the evidence. Since the evidence can't be refuted, they're only left with attacking others.





[edit on 10-3-2010 by _BoneZ_]