Moon Matrix by David Icke

Originally posted by WWu777

Did you know that the moon is the only body in our solar system that does NOT rotate? All other moons in our solar system rotate.

[edit on 24-4-2010 by WWu777]

You are massively ill informed, the moon does rotate, it merely "co-incidently" rotates at near enough the same speed as the earth does. So we only see the one face of the moon, with a small variaton where a small part either side of the face can be seen due to the slight rotational variance.

[edit on 18-5-2010 by Resentedhalo08]

Originally posted by Maybe...maybe not
He thinks shape-shifting reptilians are running the world.

He is therefore a total waste of time.

He's an arresting speaker.....

But he's a waste of time.

I strongly strongly disagree, and am somewhat saddened that there are that many stars on your post. This is the common denominator in attempts to debunk Icke, that and the "son of God" statement... Just because a part of what he says is so obviously off the wall does not mean that the rest of what he says is totally off the wall. I for one enjoy Icke's books, sometimes for the humor of the reptiles (I don't believe that,) and sometimes for a different perspective on world events that lead me to ask my own questions and look for my own answers.

Isn't that what we're all after?

reply to post by Maybe...maybe not


You are one negative dude.

=-\

Cheer up buddy.

holy crap you mean im not the only one whos thought of this too???

Originally posted by Triple_helixxx
reply to post by Maybe...maybe not

 

You are one negative dude.
Cheer up buddy.

Triple_helixxx.....

Well.....I don't mean to sound negative, but if that's "your opinion", then that's "your opinion".

At the risk of being off topic:

The picture that guy posted & a subsequent comment he made (particularly the comment) were REALLY bad.

I wouldn't even begin to consider posting the comment in a thread.

If you really want to know what it was, I'll U2U you & you'll be quite shocked.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not


[edit on 19-5-2010 by Maybe...maybe not]

reply to post by niteboy82


Niteboy82.....

Well, I did say he's an arresting speaker.

And.....I do see some merit in your argument that he stimulates some thought if you can get past the "reptilian" thing.

But in the end.....

.....Icke is just too Icky for me!

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

Originally posted by atlasastro
reply to post by watchZEITGEISTnow

 

Are you on a campaign to spread Icke's rubbish?
www.davidicke.com...


You have quoted it Icke site verbatim that you link?

This is nothing more than an advert for a shill.

Easy tiger, theres enough love to go around this site for all of us. The OP is allowed to have an opinion and that opinion is allowed to be heard and not shot down before it has a chance to take off.

For all you nay sayers - I will turn the tables on you - Please take a good look at this video and prove me wrong



IMHO - David Icke is a clever man, some of his ideas ring true to me some ideas are just to far out there. In regards to the MOON theory its a possibility, however, my gut feeling tells me the SUN has more to do with our mind and body than the moon. However, that said I do believe that another civilisation existed on the moon and indeed some form of life still does to this day.

[edit on 19-5-2010 by franspeakfree]

Originally posted by OnceReturned

My response is this: these claims are self contradictory. If the moon exists as a tool of deception which projects an artifical reality into the mind body system, does it also project the fact that it is a tool of deception as part of its illusory world? Because, if it does, that would be self defeating. If you could project a false reality into the minds of people you were trying to fool, you wouldn't include within that projection the fact that you were trying to fool them(the jigg would certainly by up as soon as anyone stumbled upon this part of the projection). Yet, here we are talking about it, so it must be included within the part of the projection that we are having this conversation in. It doesn't make sense that this should be the case.

If it doesn't include the fact that it is creating a false reality in its false reality projection, how does Icke know about it?

OnceReturned effectively de-bunked Ickes claim of a moon matrix but none of Ickes followers have commented on this. Where is your critical thinking?

David Icke > Skunk Works

reply to post by cripmeister


Icke's idea is undebunkable.

That is how far-out crazy it is.

So nobody debunked it. We'll likely not ever see anyone debunk it in Icke's lifetime. Along with the inherent undebunkability of the idea, Icke also has near-total control over the goalposts - which he can move as far and as often as he likes to prevent and delay the moment when debunkability is finally present.

Icke is allowed to write because he does disclose information that is vital to the search but also sends out a lot of disinfo to hinder the process. Alex Collier in 1994 told us that the moon was sent from Ursa Minor ("the wings of draconis"). He does not specify who or what sent the moon but also says it is older than earth. Apparently it was one of the four moons of the 17th planet in a 21 planet solar system. Search Alex Collier his interview in 1994 mentions this at approx 1 hour into. Whether they are all working together in a nicely constructed war of disinformation to keep us stupid and glued to our laptops while the world is driven into a chaotic spin would be amazing. Amzing because it is working a charm and we have all been taken on a ride in one way or another. This life will be ironic if we find one day that all corners were a sham. Much rather start playing a game and stick to it. So if the moon is artificial like phobos and deimos of mars than we may one day become aware of how immersed we are in the politics of the universe. Damn if this is the case we better be getting smart quick and too bad for us if it is a genetic prison which handicaps our ability to use our mind. Then again maybe we can pretend to be superheroes, or according to Icke and Collier we are and don't even know it. Well dang while we were thinking about all that 20 galactic races fought in the higher stratosphere and all the fallen angels were taken over by a interdimensional corporation which takes planets over for good business. And we thought we could finish breakfast and drink our coffee... damn what a joke! (Sorry for ramblin')

reply to post by Exuberant1

Skunk Works

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The right place for all things Icke imo.

reply to post by franspeakfree

The distance between the Earth and the Sun varies. The distance between the Moon and the Earth varies. As a result, some eclipses look like this:

And some look like this:

Surely "they" could have done a better job of placing it. And oops, the Moon is moving away from the Earth all the time. Sloppy work.

The Moon showing one face to the Earth is no mystery it is the result of tidal locking and is common to all of the significant moons in the solar system.

The "current conditions" are not impossible to achieve by nature. They are the result of the principles of orbital mechanics.

reply to post by franspeakfree


Just because a video is posted on Youtube claiming to represent the truth, doesn't make it so. Common sense and good reasoning determines if it's truthful or not. I watched this video up to the part where it said,"there is nowhere in the universe to find three celestial bodies with this kind of precise coincidence". How could the author possibly know this? Has he explored the entire universe?

Some people on ATS seriously need to use more reasoning & common sense, instead of posting every video off Youtube and claiming it represents the truth.

Originally posted by kindred
reply to post by franspeakfree

 

Just because a video is posted on Youtube claiming to represent the truth, doesn't make it so.

Where did you read that?


...Maybe you shouldn't believe everything you read on the internet.

here, let me help you, based on the first thread, you are all floundering.

the moon is artificial body and there is actually plenty of scientific evidence for this, you just weren't educated or told about it at school. way to go, oh ye great rulers...

have a look at the book from amazon.com 'who built the moon' - Icke is NOT the first person to have noticed there's something 'fishy' about our moon. Quite a few very qualified scientists have noticed something 'amiss' too.

for a start, when nasa did tests and 'dropped' things on it and measured seismic activity, it rang like a hollow bell, for quite some time. tests repeated same thing. er... problem. unless its artifical, it shouldn't be hollow.

then there's the problem with the rocks. they're just not right, apparantly. they make no sense to scientists studying it.

then there's the 'mascons' these strange concentrations on it that affect gravity when orbiting ht emoon. what are they? they are buried under the moons surface in various positions on it. giant ...what??

then there's the thing about its position and affect on earth. its all a bit too, perfect, for scientists to take. its a bit too much of a conincidence. you should read the book for more info.

and where did the moon come from? thats anothe rquestion. not earth, its rocks are older.

funny how some cultures speak of a time BEFORE there was a moon, or before this PRESENT MOON came to be orbiting around earth. well, if it was an artificial spaceship steered into earth's orbit, that would explain things...

but its not exactly an explanation nasa is keen to go public wiht. Icke has though; good on him.

and its the truth people. its most likely the truth; as it fits with the data, and nothing else does. it also fits with folklore.

deal with it.

oh and phobos and diemos (mars's moons) are artificial too, most likely.

As for the reptilian thing; well why not a race of intelligent dinos? Makes perfect sense to me.

shapeshifting? well, again, why not? garage remotes seem like magic to people who don't know science. maybe its possible to wave some advanced techno device and change your dna into that of a mouse.

maybe thats where we get our ideas of witches and wizards turning people into frogs from, with magic wands.

besides MANY cultures have stories of shapeshifting humans. in mexico, there were were-jaguars; gods who turned into jaguars; we have the werewolf myths in europe; or dracula, who turns into a bat or wolf; we have the greek legends of zeus always turning into bulls, swans and eagles and various other creatures inn order to abudct fair maidens and make off with them; we have the american indian myths of humans that shapeshift into wolves; also we have modern day sightings - there is a whole book called 'hunt for the skinwalker' which is quite interesting; also there are reputed sightings of wolf men across america investigated by various authors.

and there are a lot of 'dragon' references around the world; in front of temples; in china; in asia; ... so, why not i say? It sounds nuts to us with our knowledge of the universe and technology; but its by no means, IMPOSSIBLE.

as to whether well known public figures that icke names ARE these shapeshifting reptiles, well, who knows; but i would be very careful to get evidence of this directly before reaching a conclusion.

but maybe there is something to it. there could be.

i personally think there are other alien species on this planet that are very interesting. and there is plenty of evidence for them too in archaeology; art; history and folklore, if you bother to look with an open mind.

Originally posted by kindred
reply to post by franspeakfree

 

Just because a video is posted on Youtube claiming to represent the truth, doesn't make it so. Common sense and good reasoning determines if it's truthful or not. I watched this video up to the part where it said,"there is nowhere in the universe to find three celestial bodies with this kind of precise coincidence". How could the author possibly know this? Has he explored the entire universe?

So what your saying and I quote "I watched this video up to the part where it said,"there is nowhere in the universe to find three celestial bodies with this kind of precise coincidence", are you saying that because of the wording from the author, everything else in the video is not to be trusted? isn't this the fundamental problem we have on this site? I mean if a small portion of the facts are distorted by the viewer, does that mean that the rest of the facts/points are to be tarnished with the same brush?

Please think long and hard before you reply with a flambe

reply to post by Phage


Phage what exactly are you saying old chap? are you saying that there are no coincedences when it comes to the size of the earth,sun,moon? are you saying that the moon was created naturally? can you confirm if you personally believe there are no irregularities in regards to strange coincedences, when it comes to the Earth,Moon and the Sun.

reply to post by rapunzel222


Well....since you were so easily fooled by the book Who Built The Moon, there is probably little sensein attmepting to show you just how WRONG everything you wrote in your post is.

But, a try: The Moon is not 'hollow'. That catchy phrase "rang like a bell" is well over-used, and hackneyed by now. Al that does, to laypeople and the science-challenged, is conjure up a mental image of a typical 'bell'...hence, the "hollow" nonsense took hold in people's minds.

Rubbish!

Put your ear to a large stone, and rap it hard with a heavy object ( the stone, NOT your ear ). You will hear a resounding "ring" from the stone, and you can see for youself it isn't 'hollow'. Try it also with a bar of metal. Sound vibrations can, and DO reverberate through solid matter....

What else did you get wrong...let me see. Oh, yes. The lunar samples being "older"?? More rubbish.

Absent the type of erosive forces that have been continually at work on Earth since its formation (~5 billion+ years ago) the Moon can offer up samples that date back that far, mostly unchanged (except for the exposure to the space environment, over the millenia).

Look into how the Earth's plate tectonics, and the constant subduction and emerging of new material in the crust works to obscure the examples of the "oldest" rocks on Earth. THAT is the misunderstanding evident in that book, and shows the utter lack of comprehension of its author.

Sad that anyone can't see it for the sham that it is.

reply to post by franspeakfree

The Moon is not an artificial construct. The only coincidence regarding the moon it that its apparent diameter from Earth is close to (not "exactly") the apparent diameter of the Sun. But that coincidence is our happy luck. Millions of years ago it was not the case and in more millions of years it will not be the case.

Tidal locking is not a coincidence. It is the inevitable result of the force of gravity.

[edit on 5/20/2010 by Phage]