I have Questions for 9/11 Truthers.

reply to post by Mr Sunchine


incidently, I am not trying to be confrontational with you. I dont want to believe my government is capable of allowing such things to happen no matter what the profit was to be gained afterwards.

I put off learning the truther movement for 8 years...just wrote them off as nuts and ignored everything they said...because it was sort of unnerving to consider.

reply to post by Phlynx


I recommend that the truthers are given at least the amount of money that disappeared on 911. Two or three trillion, total control of the military and fiveof the past Secretaries of Defense to be returned as soon as the investigation is complete.

reply to post by SaturnFX

1) the TV machine showed us something that initially was shocking, but it was the same footage that made people start asking questions (especially building 7).

2)
a) thats the point...they F-ed up a number of things
b) ....To agree to this and be in the know would be a sealed fate...you go down with the ship, you never speak...and if you even consider speaking, you, your family, and everyone is dead
3) I dont even know where to begin there.there was trillions gained, entire nations gained, and absurd amounts of cash "lost" in the defense sector. Even the owner of the towers make a mint verses having to spring for the renovations required beforehand...oh, and finally, building 7 wiped away all those pesky missing dollars records...would show you where the 2.3 trillion missing dollars went, but oh well, building 7 is gone...guess we will never know.
4) your under the impression this was a potential governmental move more than a business move...why?

1. You don't televise a huge fraud for the entire world to video record and analyze that is just stupid. Do you think a smart bank robber records his heist or the CIA records every detail of their assassinations?

2. Really f'ing up something means you f'ed it up to the point it is obvious to the general public, not that if you twist physics to beyond reason you might be able to make a case that you found something.

Do you really believe that out of the hundreds or thousands of people that would have had to be part of an operation this large, none of them would:
a. Brag
b. Feel guilty enough for the deaths of innocent Americans not to come out even at the risk of their own lives or the lives of their families. Plus, there are tons of ways to come out and not end up dead.

3. It shut down nearly the entire ecomomy for an entire week. It caused a recession. Nearly destroyed the airline, tourist and travel industries. Caused massive spending in security and military expenses. Let alone destoyed prime real estate in NY City. You could even go as far to say that a lot of our current financial issues stem back to 911.

4. No business man with a lick of sense tries to bring down his entire nation for short term profits.

reply to post by SaturnFX


The real truth that is overlooked is that Bin Laden's strategy is ingenius and we are suckers. Basically, he uses relatively low cost attacks to get us chasing what amounts to ghosts. He did this to the USSR in Afghanistan and now he is doing it to us. His goal is not to defeat us militarily, but to get us to spend ourselves into oblivion. It is using your enemies strengths, military and financial, and convincing them to use those strenghts to defeat itself. It is how the small can defeat the mighty. It is brilliant, and though I would love to see his head on a platter I do admire his understanding of the art of war. I bet he is one hell of a chess player.

[edit on 6-3-2010 by Mr Sunchine]

Lets not forget there was a great incentive to get rid of those buildings, they were very sick. Maybe Larry did it.

If there were some stash of certified steel to be tested...with no sign of CD
If all the security camera footage were released...Showing clearly flight 93
If 'pull it'' really means something other than what it always has meant,and did that day...And we were wrong to suspect all that money 'lucky' won
The put options were a computer glitch...That's why we never collected,of course
A way to make airplane parts disappear in fact...Including engines,landing gear and wings...
If micro thermste was really paint,molten steel was just red for the fun of it,and etc,This is just a start with all the impossibilities,but just limiting it to these as being all that's necessary,IF all this and all else,for that matter,And I were shown to have been wrong from MOMENT ONE,I'd get back to my other business.

And the disinfo agents would probably STILL be posting nonsense questions and no answers.As well as the other crazy stuff like holograms.Silly.

Originally posted by Phlynx
Say you get your investigation that is not led by the government. What if they come to the same conclusion as the original investigation, and you where wrong all along? Would you conclude that there is a conspiracy there too?

Are the Truthers really that open minded, or is it like Atheism compared to Christianity, two ends of the coin, but both have around the same amount as proof as the other?

What action are you going to take if the investigation proves the government did it?

Why do you think your theory is right, and not the original story?

Say your theory is right. What do you do next? Protest? Do you move on like nothing happened?

If your answer is that you just move on, what is the point of even getting the investigation anyway?


Please answer these questions for me.

There's questions unanswered from the first investigation. Therefore a complete investigation could not possibly come to the same conclusion

reply to post by trueforger


Your reply reminds me of that Chapelle Show skit where they ask him what would it take to convince him that R. Kelly didn't relieve himself on an underage girl. His response was that he would have to see video of it and it would have to contain a cop, some of his friends (with his friend Neil taking notes), the girls holding her id while smiling at the camera, and R. Kelly's grandma confirming that it was indeed R. Kelly.

[edit on 6-3-2010 by Mr Sunchine]

reply to post by Phlynx

What if they come to the same conclusion as the original investigation,

Then truther's will ensure the modified conspiracy includes the new investigators in the cover-up.

Atheism compared to Christianity, two ends of the coin, but both have around the same amount as proof as the other?

Athiesm doesn't conclude with absolute certainty that god doesn't exist, they simply disbelieve in god until it is proven.

The mistake many who subscribe to the OS make, is that they assume we WANT to believe that 9-11 was an inside job.

We are just like you. We are real people. We work in the same offices and go the same schools as you.

Many of us believed the Official Story at first. Just like you.

It was only after learning the mega-story regarding our government and other world governments and the history they don't teach you in school that things began to change.

I had many of the same questions as you.

I WISH OBL did 9-11. I WISH it wasn't an inside job.

But once I KNEW it wasn't. Once I KNEW the many oddities and flat out LIES of the OS I couldn't un-see them. I couldn't buy into it anymore.

Maybe one day you will join our ranks. And when you do, you will realize that there is no ranks. There is no club. We are not all friends. We do not all agree on the same issues. We are just people. People with questions.

reply to post by Mr Sunchine

You are defending MURDERERS and TRAITORS.
So have your fun,little guy.If you make it out of this life with no repercussions,you still will have some 'splainin' to do'

Originally posted by Donny 4 million
reply to post by Phlynx

 

I recommend that the truthers are given at least the amount of money that disappeared on 911. Two or three trillion, total control of the military and fiveof the past Secretaries of Defense to be returned as soon as the investigation is complete.

This just shows so clearly how no investigation could make any difference when people are so wedded to things blatantly and obviously untrue.

You don't need an investigation to find out the true story of the 2.3 trillion dollars, just do some research. Not a dollar of it went missing on 9/11. Why does it keep getting posted ? it is just same old same old.

reply to post by Mr Sunchine

There are four reasons to believe the OS is mostly accurate. 1. We all seen it happen on live TV. 2. The government is not capable of doing such a large operation without: a. F'ing it up. b. Somebody squealing. 3. There was nothing to be gained by the government in destoying those buildings and killing thousands of Americans. The cost in dollars alone to the economy makes it not worth it. 4. The risk/reward ratio is not in favor of the government doing this. Meaning the risk of being caught was too high, the punishment if caught would be too high, and the reward either doesn't exist or you could get the same reward in a way less risky manner.

1. We all seen the buildings more or less fall into their own foot prints. building 7 an obvious implosion and buildings 1 and 2 an uncontrolled demolition. And we all heard the bombs go off throughout the day. Just to name a few.

2. Have you ever heard of false flag operations? And yes they did make some mistakes (building 7 for example announced to have fallen before the fact) that's why we are here. Squealers (we pulled it) ( I heard a countdown over the radio) (molten metal) etc etc etc.

3. Did you know that the Port Authority applied for permits to have the buildings imploded and were turned down due to asbestos? It was going to cost billions to take them down manually. Instead billions were made in profits from the big fat insurance policy. Because of the false flag the public will let another Vietnam go onin the middle east. Get rid of Saddam. Get the heroin flowing from Afghanistan . Did you know you can make money off the market going down and many did? Poor people are easier to control. But of course they had nothing to gain (smirk).

4. It's public record that the FBI knew about the first bombing of the WTC years before and did nothing to stop it. Even told the informant to use real explosives instead of the suggested fake explosives . Nobody seems to care they probably could get away with anything.

reply to post by trueforger

And the disinfo agents would probably STILL be posting nonsense questions and no answers.As well as the other crazy stuff like holograms.Silly.

As crazy as it sounds it is more than possible. With all the star wars like secret technology energy weapons may exist that could disassociate the molecules of those buildings. And those planes could have been holograms or remote controlled.

But you don't want to bring any of that up as their is no real proof so it would be ridiculed. Unlike the thermite like material found in all the dust samples. They make fools out of them selves when they dismiss the thermite.

Man i hate that label "Truther's" LOOK! all you "Debunkers" out there! we are just a bunch of honest people from all over the World not just America! trying to get to the bottom of what we see as the biggest crime in history since pearl harbour! an all you want to do is come on here an slag off every thing of a positive nature that might bring us the people of the World closer to bringing these Murderer's to justice! maybe in the Hague in the not to distance future!

[edit on 7-3-2010 by DCDAVECLARKE]

reply to post by Doctor Smith

We completely agree.I too think the exotic stuff you mention has more plausability than a lot of things in the OFT,but chose to concentrate on verifiable facts.I don't ridicule out of the box thinkers,but just like being a bit too far ahead of one's time/peers ya gotta go slowly.Itsa steep learning curve.And facts have a truther bias.

Originally posted by trueforger
reply to post by Mr Sunchine

 

You are defending MURDERERS and TRAITORS.
So have your fun,little guy.If you make it out of this life with no repercussions,you still will have some 'splainin' to do'

No actually you are defending murderers by not laying the blame where it belongs... on a bunch of crazy Islamic terrorists.

reply to post by Doctor Smith


Well good Doctor it seems like you took the medicine.

1. If you understood how the buildings were built it would make perfect sense why they fell straight down. I also thought that was odd so I looked into how the buiding were built and it became perfectly clear that they should have fallen as they did.

2. You heard bombs going off all day at the scene. Were you there?

3. First I doubt your claim that they filed a permit to tear down the buildings. Second, a few billion is a hell of a lot cheaper than shutting down the nation for a week.

4. I would love to see that public record where the FBI told the guy to use real explosives. Can you point me to that amazing proof, because if you do then I will join your side. Of course, I expect court documents and not just another wild ass guess on some 911 conspiracy site.

[edit on 7-3-2010 by Mr Sunchine]

Originally posted by Mr Sunchine

Originally posted by trueforger
reply to post by Mr Sunchine

 

You are defending MURDERERS and TRAITORS.
So have your fun,little guy.If you make it out of this life with no repercussions,you still will have some 'splainin' to do'

No actually you are defending murderers by not laying the blame where it belongs... on a bunch of crazy Islamic terrorists.

Jesus man have you ever heard of the wise old saying Those who have eyes to see will see, an those who have ears to hear will here? but i guess your set in your ways! im 60te years of age! an idd do my nut if i thought someone belived i was set in my ways.......

reply to post by Mr Sunchine

How now do you say these things?You're new around here?
Ought not be calling it "wild a**''that is clearly against the rules around here.
Not expecting cleverness from an entity from your side,of course,especially in light of your rhetoric(can't even begin at a beginning it's SO wrong)but I suggest saying something like I do,adjusting for your POV of course,like"Don't ASSume anything you hear from your payMASTER is true." Or you might say,"Do you trust your eyES wHOLEy?"Like that.You can still be shrill and hollow and offensive,repetative and ultimately futile in your meagre effort here("F"for effort?)but you can do it with a LITTLE style,no?