An appeal from a cop...

I myself apologize...

For some reason I seem to have mixed up threads somewhere. I am going to go hunt it down.

I do sometimes get interrupted while online and I do have two or three threads up from ATS.

Or I will go outside... Was there some thread on this board by someone claiming to be a federal supervisor or a post.

I wont look sideways at the help. I am going to have to re-post some of those points....

My question Ill ask is weird but a curiosity.

How would you respond to say proof of a claim of remote influence. Would you arrest the person? The real question was what would be the possible charges?

Yes I am up to something but its not your neck of the woods.

Have you ever seen a cops reaction if he catches yea filming him or them doing there job,?

Sting operation on corrupt cops in the drug war:

www.boingboing.net...

the only thing i saw in the OP was an example of the WOD.. witch has turned a full 50% against one of the best natural resources you could ask for...prohibition + LEO = gangs/bloodshed on both sides...remember what the great G.W. said

makes one wonder why that subject is taboo even on ATS...
second line?

Would simply love to see how the OP defends this.


Quotas

We all knew it was happening...

Please JW.

My third request for an opinion here. What happened in Pittsburgh at the G20. Why did we see this behavior from literally hundreds of Law Enforcement officers. How do we the "ordinary citizens" reconcile what took place here.

Are we over reacting to an "isolated incident"?

Originally posted by DCDAVECLARKE



Have you ever seen a cops reaction if he catches yea filming him or them doing there job,?

I have! Cops do not like being filmed, or recorded either. They also do not like to be lectured on the law, but hey, if someone doesn't take time to lecture a Peace Officer, then how will he/she learn the law? Case in point.

I was walking down a city street on my town, in the Republic of Ohio, an open carry State, carrying, in a holster, my cap and ball .44 Remington Revolver. Two cops came rushing up, hands on their guns. Right there I should have drawn and defended myself, right? But, no, I am a good citizen, not a lawbreaker, so I complied. They proceeded to handcuff me, a clear violation of my Constitutional Rights. Then they began to tell me that I was breaking the law.

I gave these two men a one hour lecture on Constitutional Law, and the Oath to same that both had broken right in front of me. I left them with this:
Now, before reading this, I do not advocate violence of any kind. I told them both if either one ever approached me again with a hand on his firearm, I would draw and shoot them as if they were an enemy.

Every officer needs to learn the laws they enforce, and the Constitution they take an oath to defend and protect. They also need to learn that one doesn't approach a citizen with a hand on their gun like a badass. This will get you shot dead in some places. I was taught to defend myself at all times, to preserve what the military had trained by any and all means possible. That means just what it says.

Never mind.....

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Never mind...

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If you don't give your details then you will be arrested!!

Anti-social behavior is illegal!

www.youtube.com...

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I have managed to keep my personal opinions out of this thread for the most part, but you certainly have to realize that you were just placed into check. You shot you mouth off, made a statement claiming to be a fact and were called on it. Your response? "Why should I have to verify my statements? That sounds too much like work.".

Sorry, but how can you possibly make any claim to credibility at this point?

I have been very forthcoming about acknowledging opposing viewpoints. You have spouted viewpoints that are, in your own words, anecdotal and refused or been unable to back them up.

You want to have a reasonable discussion about these issues? Fine. Start learning the rules of this game and play ball like an adult. We all might learn a few things.

never mind.....

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Thank you officer, I see things your way now.

I apologise for the any inconvenience my anecdotal musing may have caused.

I have nothing but respect for the authority of the USA.

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WWJFKD,

I'm not trying to ignore you. I have addressed the G20 in another thread here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I would give you a more thorough answer right here, but I'm stuck with using my BlackBerry for the next few days and it is very frustrating to try and type sufficient responses on this damned thing. I know that sounds weak but it is the truth.

reply to post by JWH44

Originally posted by andy1033
Yada yada yada, here comes the thought police again, stating that a minority is bad in every walk of life. We have heard it all before.

My life is proof what the police are doing in this day and age, vendetta is not the word, just pure evil.

Most police are just evil sadistic hard on wannabee morons. They get thee job so they can kill people for there friends,and run vendettas, explains 90% of police.

My life is absolute proof of the abuse of power these people do, and thats the majority.

Like i always said if you want to murder people and get away with it, join the police.

For every guy like this "andy1033" here, there are 10,000 of us non crazy people who's lives are greatly enhanced by law enforcement.

The only people who have issues with Police are by and large criminals or mentally challanged in one shape or another.

No doubt, there are boys in blue who have issues, just like every profession, there are incidents that defy reason and call for reform to be sure. Individuals who take up the oath and then break it should be treated as any criminal would and that for sure should be addressed.

There are probably even entire departments that have systemic isues...

That said...
andy1033 is like most people who whine about cops. Calls you names, dare you to say "boo". Spits on you and starts a physical confrontation to get you on camera defending yourself or the law. Or is already a convicted criminal or drug offender and has lots of anger issues. For every andy1033, there are 10,000 of us who look at them in disgust and pity.

It's kind of like the online gaming community, just about everyone on Xbox live is a racist 11 year old with a potty mouth that would make Geoge Carlin blush, ranting about pot reform and "murderous pigs".

I have never, in 41 years, had any encounter with an officer that wasn't pleasant.

There are far too many people on ATS with what I call "the numbers problem". They see 100 incidents of police abuse reported online with youtube videos that conveniently start late and end early and correlate that to "every cop is a murderous thug".

For every guy like this "andy" here, there are 10,000 of us who's lives are greatly enhanced by law enforcement.

There are 708,569 officers in the USA, each day they probably interact with 50 people give or take (between stops, questions, inquries, generic interactions) and they work for an average of 280 days.

Thats 9,919,966,000 encounters PER YEAR.

Almost 10 BILLION!

You read about 100 verifiable incidents (count them up someone please) and you get an infintesimal rate of bad behavior. Even if it were 1000 or 10,000 the number would be tiny.

The vast vast, majority of police interactions are professional and pleasant.
JWH44, do not look at ATS as a source for credible news, or a national mood. The same goes for reddit and digg, all you will find there are people with no sense of logic and a serious issue with "the number problem".

Most of us, no... make that almost ALL of us appreciate what you do and would reach for the phone to dial 911.

Even though he won't admit it, so would our friend andy1033.

I listen to the police scanner about every other day and know what the police have to put up with. People call the police for everything. I would never want to be a police officer. You would not believe the crap I have heard on the scanner. They deal with the criminals and the wackos too.
I have a little more respect for them after listening to what they have to deal with daily. I live in a fairly big city too.

No doubt, there are boys in blue who have issues, just like every profession, there are incidents that defy reason and call for reform to be sure. Individuals who take up the oath and then break it should be treated as any criminal would and that for sure should be addressed.

Nicely put gormly! but thats what myself an others have been saying since the thread began!

I got an email today informing me of your passing!! So I decided to read up on some of your posts!! This post stands out to me so I would like to reply. I believe one of the reasons people steriotype and just put all in a basket is because of the frusteration from the lack of ability to do anything about the problems. In some little way I think we the people somewhat expect Law enforcers and what have we, to stand up for justice and what is right and as appose to just accepting that every agency has some couruptions, instead put a stop to it, do something about it so that we can say our country is just, right and not corupt.

One of my personal problems with law enforcement is the vow you take to defend the US constitution with your life. Yet Police violate it every single day. How is an Oath worthy if it means nothing?

Now in one hand I do agree with you that people steriotype and that may be wrong. But others such as my self expect the good law and government employees to get off they butts and do something about it. If you do not than you might as well be just as guilty as those corupt few.

In my eyes if you see a problem, complain abotu the problem but take no personal action to solve this problem than you are part of the problem because you could do something to stop it, You do not do anything to stop it. You might as well be to blame for the existence of that problem. That is just my opinion.

I mean absolutely no disrespect. Keep in mind I am not law enforcement, however I have always been very interested in Law enforcement and may join the police dept someday. But I my self will not be one to complain about something I do not believe in. I will stand up and fight for what I believe or dye trying.. Or I might as well be the guilty party


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