Women banned from flight for refusing scan

reply to post by BritofTexas

P.S. If they can do print outs on these machines I'll have to have a word to get one of my wife because she won't let me take any!

My god. That is such a sad statement. Your wife wont let you take a nude picture of her but you would support policy that forces her to be imaged if she wishes to board a plane. Your wife is very lucky to have such a man.

There is no right to fly on a airplane.

BS. ``The right to fly on an airplane`` is IN FACT, A RIGHT TO MOVE FREELY WHEREVER THE HELL I WANT.

Otherwise, IT'S MARTIAL LAW OR SOVIET RUSSIA where I need a permit to show my papers and THEY DECIDE if they want to let me in or not.

In a FREE COUNTRY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BOW TO THESE LOW LIFES TO HAVE THE GOD GIVEN RIGHT OF FREE MOVEMENT.

Bahhhh, it seems like every post I have made in this thread, is the last one on the page. Oh well, I guess I've made my satirical points.

reply to post by harvib


My apologies, I was not aware that you had no sense of humour.

Actually my wife is not bothered about these scans as she enjoys traveling abroad and airport security is a necessary evil. Nobody is supposed to like it.

It takes less time and puts you in less danger than being stopped for a defective tail light.

This could all be cut short and money saved on silly machines by segregating the sexes and having everyone nude.

Originally posted by Vitchilo

There is no right to fly on a airplane.

BS. ``The right to fly on an airplane`` is IN FACT, A RIGHT TO MOVE FREELY WHEREVER THE HELL I WANT.

Otherwise, IT'S MARTIAL LAW OR SOVIET RUSSIA where I need a permit to show my papers and THEY DECIDE if they want to let me in or not.

In a FREE COUNTRY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BOW TO THESE LOW LIFES TO HAVE THE GOD GIVEN RIGHT OF FREE MOVEMENT.

First off, calm down. Second, flying isn't a right. Like I've said, god never meant for us to be in the sky, but we've conjured up the technology to break those laws. It's not a right, it's a privilege, and damn fine one at that. You do have the right to go anywhere you want, but the privilege and luxury of getting there faster, is by using an airplane. If you want to use those luxuries, then you need to follow the rules.

Is it really that hard to understand?

reply to post by TravisT

Nobody is forcing anybody to do anything they don't want to.

Not true. The airline companies are forced to have intrusions to their business that may effect their profitability. The patrons are forced to submit if they wish to patron the business. The employees of the airlines are forced to be radiated if they wish to stay employed.

It's not your "right" to fly, as you should know that god never gave you wings, it's just a privilege/luxury.

Under a civil Government rights not given to the Government are retained by the people. It such a sad society that believes the Government holds all rights and assigns the rights to the people. That is not the case.

reply to post by BritofTexas

My apologies, I was not aware that you had no sense of humour.

Oh I laughed. It just wasn't with you.

Actually my wife is not bothered about these scans as she enjoys traveling abroad and airport security is a necessary evil. Nobody is supposed to like it.

Well maybe you can tell her that you are taking the pictures for her protection. If she is like some of the posters in this thread she won't ask any question, nor will she ask for any data to prove it's effectiveness.

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here is an airport that refused to have body scanners

Seems like a lot of people think these machines will stop the problem.

I think those with bad intentions will find a way to be bad. It is like a hackers mentality. They seem to work around any defense sooner or later.

I'm not that modest, but these machines are just wrong, and will be abused. Won't be long before there is some website with screen caps of our mommas.

On the flip side, I guess it's a quick sell to those who panic easy. Bet they feel all warm and fuzzy now!

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984


Yeah just like a child that needs the last word. Debate is still done and your logic is still flawed. All you do is deflect and avoid everything and stray toward another topic because you can't handle the one at hand.How many times do I have to hear about lightning, and cameras in peoples homes, and just about every other rediculous rebuttle you brought up before you actually stay on topic. Why don't you? Because as I've said before your devoid of logic and clearly maturity.

Not sure if it has been pointed out in this thread but the PETN explosive the underwear bomber had on him is not detected by these naked body scanners.

I can only wonder what will happen when we have flying cars, will everyone have to have their person and car scanned before it is allowed to fly?

Will the people just decide no one can have a flying car? Further demolishing freedom of movement?

What would stop a terrorist bent on illegally flying a flying car into something? Nothing stopped Joseph Stack.

reply to post by TravisT

Second, flying isn't a right. Like I've said, god never meant for us to be in the sky, but we've conjured up the technology to break those laws.

So Government retains all rights even above God?

It's not a right, it's a privilege, and damn fine one at that.

Where did the Government get the authority to regulate travel. They are the ones that do not have the right. Humanity retains the right to their own intellectual property.

Is it really that hard to understand?

What's hard to understand is how very few ever question the origins of authority or jurisdiction. Have you given a moments thought that the Government does not have this right and therefore you do. Furthermore it is hard to understand how some individual can so vehemently argue that another has rights over a persons own body. We are slaves by consent and because of it.

Originally posted by sphinx551
This scanning system should be removed.
This is beyond absurd.

So a company protecting the lives of its customers && protecting its property (the airplanes) which can cost $millions upon millions is absurd?

sorry but its a business, like someone mentioned before, air travel is not 'public transport' and you have no actual rights to use it, its business simple as that and the companies that run the airlines & airports should be able to protect their business and other customers any way they see necessary,

And for those who object, if you have nothing to hide then why not go through it?
Whats the big deal about being seen 'naked', its not even like pornographic material, its just an outline scan, nothing outrageous. And when you consider what its being used to protect against it is perfectly reasonable for a company to use this technology,

Dont like it? then travel by sea

Can someone explain why they think these pictures qualify as "naked?"

reply to post by AmmonSeth

So a company protecting the lives of its customers && protecting its property (the airplanes) which can cost $millions upon millions is absurd?

It is not the airlines that have installed these scanners or have claimed jurisdiction to the security measures.

the companies that run the airlines & airports should be able to protect their business and other customers any way they see necessary,

Agreed. Me or you or another should not have the right to impeded a private business without consent.

And for those who object, if you have nothing to hide then why not go through it?

Been discussed ad nauseum. Some people are concerned about health effects. Some are more modest then others. Some detest being treated like cattle. You should read the thread.

Dont like it? then travel by sea

If the Government can demand jurisdiction of an airline can they not demand it of boat, or a automobile.

Originally posted by harvib

Not true. The airline companies are forced to have intrusions to their business that may effect their profitability. The patrons are forced to submit if they wish to patron the business. The employees of the airlines are forced to be radiated if they wish to stay employed.

Wow. Ok, the reason why the airlines are "forced" to have these scanners, is for safety preventions. And nobody is putting a bullet to anybody's head, telling them they HAVE to work at a certain place. The reason why I don't work at McDonalds, is because I don't want to, but you keep acting like these people have no choice. So again, you're wrong, cause nobody is enslaving these airline workers, telling them they have no choice. They have every right to leave if they wish, and aren't "forced" into anything they don't want to do.

Under a civil Government rights not given to the Government are retained by the people. It such a sad society that believes the Government holds all rights and assigns the rights to the people. That is not the case.

Again, I never said you can't pack up and leave to where you want to go. But if you want the luxury of getting there quicker, then you have to bow down to the "evil Government plans at world domination", through the use of body scanners at the airport. By all means, travel to anyplace in the world, through another form of transportation, no skin of my back. You don't have to try and twist my very idea around, to try and get your selfish point across.

Originally posted by harvib

So Government retains all rights even above God?

Way to completely miss my point there, bud.

Where did the Government get the authority to regulate travel. They are the ones that do not have the right. Humanity retains the right to their own intellectual property.

Ummmm, the government has always regulated travel. Why do you think there are cops on the road? If you speed, you get regulated for that.

So you're saying, that you have the right to get totally blasted, get in a car, and potentially kill someone on the road, just because you feel it's your "right" to travel? Again, just like planes, cars are a privileges/luxuries. If you don't bide by the laws and regulations, then you get those taken away, easy as that!

What's hard to understand is how very few ever question the origins of authority or jurisdiction. Have you given a moments thought that the Government does not have this right and therefore you do. Furthermore it is hard to understand how some individual can so vehemently argue that another has rights over a persons own body. We are slaves by consent and because of it.

No, what's hard to understand, is that you think everybody works in an orderly fashion, and that there is no wrong in this world, and nobody messes up, or gets out of line. Wake the F' up, buddy! Things need to be regulated, because humans tend to be stupid, and act out of line.

Again, if you don't want to get a body scanned if asked, then be prepared to get stripped of the luxury of flight. Nobody is "forcing" you, like you keep trying to make it sound. If you have a choice, then there really isn't an actual "force", it just so happens, that you just don't like the outcome of those choices. Sorry, I can't help you there.


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reply to post by Aeons

Can someone explain why they think these pictures qualify as "naked?"

Some might state that when you can see the size of man's penis or the size of a woman's labia that it might qualify as "naked".

Originally posted by harvib

Oh I laughed. It just wasn't with you.

Ah an insult. The last bastion of a lost argument.

You seem to believe that flying is a right.

So following your logic we all should be able to fly for free because having to hand over a big chunk of cash is just government control.

"Actually my wife is not bothered about these scans as she enjoys traveling abroad and airport security is a necessary evil. Nobody is supposed to like it."

Oh, well, since your wife doesn't mind it....

Of course, it is not a necessary evil. NO EVILS are necessary!


"Like I've said, god never meant for us to be in the sky, but we've conjured up the technology to break those laws."

Who are you to even think you have any idea of what God intended? Clearly he DID intend for us to be in the sky because, guess what, WE ARE! Just the simple idea that we are in the sky means that God intended it.


"So a company protecting the lives of its customers && protecting its property (the airplanes) which can cost $millions upon millions is absurd?... And for those who object, if you have nothing to hide then why not go through it? Whats the big deal about being seen 'naked', its not even like pornographic material, its just an outline scan, nothing outrageous."

Right, here is a nice shot of radiation for your protection! Oh, and your naked body- strangers are going to monitor it for your own protection. A company is certainly free to protect itself, BUT it has no right to INFRINGE upon the rights of others- including the right to privacy.

You must not have seen the pictures of your innocent 'outline scan' - it shows EVERYTHING. Nipples, your junk- everything. Those of us who object DO have something to hide- the most private thing we own - our naked bodies.