Women banned from flight for refusing scan

reply to post by Death_Kron

Your making a big deal and flapping your wings about nothing, its a simple body scan image thats in place to help prevent acts of terrorism, get over yourself.

Well not only have the paranoid irrationalist flapped their wings but they continue to support more and more ridiculous security measures. It does nothing to prevent acts of terrorism. I really wish people would get over their cowardliness and paranoia before we create a society that spends half their lives waiting in line to be cleared through a check point. You keep mentioning that you have a line. I am curious where your line is to your paranoia?

And it is a big deal if it contributes to cancer which is a significant problem in our society. If it does, these machines would cause more deaths even if they prevented acts of terrorism...

Well not only have the paranoid irrationalist flapped their wings but they continue to support more and more ridiculous security measures. It does nothing to prevent acts of terrorism.

Its a deterrent as much as anything, if it makes even one terrorist have to think of other ways to avoid capture then it has at least partially worked.

Would you honestly want an ethnically-dressed (hijab or whatever) person who refused to undergo security procedures on a plane with your family?

(Or indeed any person who refused a scan)*

[edit on 4-3-2010 by Xadaz]

reply to post by BritofTexas

We all use a lot of things in everyday life that we do not yet know the long time health issues of.

LOL. Wait a minute. You may use a lot of things in your everyday life that you do not know the health hazards of but many of us try to at least be aware of what we are being exposed to. And furthermore it is unethical, immoral, and unlawful for a Government to force individuals who wish to patron a business to be submitted to a potential health hazard.

reply to post by Xadaz

Its a deterrent as much as anything, if it makes even one terrorist have to think of other ways to avoid capture then it has at least partially worked.

You think a "terrorist" can't figure out they have a rectum?

Originally posted by harvib
reply to post by Death_Kron

 

Your making a big deal and flapping your wings about nothing, its a simple body scan image thats in place to help prevent acts of terrorism, get over yourself.

Well not only have the paranoid irrationalist flapped their wings but they continue to support more and more ridiculous security measures. It does nothing to prevent acts of terrorism. I really wish people would get over their cowardliness and paranoia before we create a society that spends half their lives waiting in line to be cleared through a check point. You keep mentioning that you have a line. I am curious where your line is to your paranoia?

And it is a big deal if it contributes to cancer which is a significant problem in our society. If it does, these machines would cause more deaths even if they prevented acts of terrorism...

I understand to a point your fear of the world becoming a communist society but I really cannot fathom why anyone would be against measures, put in place, to prevent acts of terror.

You talk about paranoia but surely if more measures were put in place before 9/11 then the attack could of been prevented, disregarding views that it was a false flag operation.

I believe the US government did have something to do with 9/11 so you could say that makes my argument redundant but either way surely measures implemented to stop terrorist attacks are a good thing?

I cannot fathom why someone would be so objected to a simple body scan if it was productive in preventing a terrorist atrocity.

I cannot fathom why someone would be so objected to a simple body scan if it was productive in preventing a terrorist atrocity.

Evidently the objections come from those who have something to hide.

Why else would they refuse something that takes probably 10seconds?

Health risks? Oh please, what about the health risk to the other passengers of a bomb?

[edit on 4-3-2010 by Xadaz]

Originally posted by Xadaz

I cannot fathom why someone would be so objected to a simple body scan if it was productive in preventing a terrorist atrocity.

Evidently the objections come from those who have something to hide.

Why else would they refuse something that takes probably 10seconds?

Health risks? Oh please, what about the health risk to the other passengers of a bomb?

[edit on 4-3-2010 by Xadaz]

Brilliant post, surmised in three sentences!

Originally posted by harvib

LOL. Wait a minute. You may use a lot of things in your everyday life that you do not know the health hazards of but many of us try to at least be aware of what we are being exposed to. And furthermore it is unethical, immoral, and unlawful for a Government to force individuals who wish to patron a business to be submitted to a potential health hazard.

Use a mobile phone? Nobody knows the long term effects of that yet.

Staring at a computer screen right now? Nobody knows the long term effects of that yet either.

And to reiterate a previous point. If you do not wish to be scanned then do not fly. Governments are not forcing you through these machines.

I would say that you're being paranoid but, non of us would be here if we were not.

reply to post by BritofTexas


Funny isn't it how two opinions can be so divided regarding the health & safety of the general public?

If we were forcing people to be stripped searched and to undergo a colonic irrigation before boarding I could understand but some of the views people have expressed in this thread have been.. well beyond comprehension.

reply to post by BritofTexas


Funny isn't it how two opinions can be so divided regarding the health & safety of the general public?

If we were forcing people to be stripped searched and to undergo a colonic irrigation before boarding I could understand but some of the views people have expressed in this thread have been.. well beyond comprehension.

reply to post by Death_Kron


Yep. Anybody would think we are being told to hand over our firstborn child.

I wonder how many of these actually fly?

reply to post by Death_Kron

I understand to a point your fear of the world becoming a communist society

Communism? Who mentioned anything about communism.

but I really cannot fathom why anyone would be against measures, put in place, to prevent acts of terror.

My friend, have you lost your mind? Let's look at this rationally. Supposedly the "terrorist" want to "terrorize" us because they are jealous of our freedoms. So in order to "protect" our selves from those who wish to take away our freedoms we must give up our freedoms??? Does this make any sense to you?

I do not want to live a life of livestock. Being corralled, poked, prodded, and submitted to measures that I detest.

You talk about paranoia but surely if more measures were put in place before 9/11 then the attack could of been prevented, disregarding views that it was a false flag operation.

9/11 was supposedly done with box cutters. A terrorist couldn't put a non metallic item with similar cutting power up his rectum? Face it, if you want protection. you must demand full cavity searches...

I believe the US government did have something to do with 9/11 so you could say that makes my argument redundant but either way surely measures implemented to stop terrorist attacks are a good thing?

So you believe the US Government to actually be the terrorist? You support the terrorist screening for the terrorist. This does not make any sense.

I cannot fathom why someone would be so objected to a simple body scan if it was productive in preventing a terrorist atrocity.

I cannot fathom why someone who believes a Government to be supportive of terrorism, to support that Governments intrusion into the travel industry, despite unknown health risk and impediments to free travel. Especially when such measures do nothing to prevent anything.

[edit on 4-3-2010 by harvib]

reply to post by Death_Kron


P.S. If they can do print outs on these machines I'll have to have a word to get one of my wife because she won't let me take any!

Originally posted by harvib
reply to post by Death_Kron

 

My friend, have you lost your mind? Let's look at this rationally. Supposedly the "terrorist" want to "terrorize" us because they are jealous of our freedoms. So in order to "protect" our selves from those who wish to take away our freedoms we must give up our freedoms??? Does this make any sense to you?

[edit on 4-3-2010 by harvib]

So lets blow people up to get our own way right?

For our religion yeah?

Originally posted by BritofTexas
reply to post by Death_Kron

 

P.S. If they can do print outs on these machines I'll have to have a word to get one of my wife because she won't let me take any!

If they do print outs then I might be having a quiet word with the machine operators and slip them a tenner or two

[edit on 4/3/10 by Death_Kron]

reply to post by Xadaz

Evidently the objections come from those who have something to hide.

I would like you to submit to my security check points. I will protect those around you to ensure that you are not a terrorist. Surely you will not object, unless you have something to hide.

Health risks? Oh please, what about the health risk to the other passengers of a bomb?

Try to put things in prospective. Turn off your tv for a second and look at the statistics. Look up the cancer rates and compare that to the chances of an everyday flier being killed by a bomb. After doing so, you tell me where our priority should be.

reply to post by BritofTexas

And to reiterate a previous point. If you do not wish to be scanned then do not fly. Governments are not forcing you through these machines.

The Government does not have lawful authority to do what they are doing. Not in the US anyway. It is up to the airlines to provide security measures. If you don't feel safe flying with out your false sense of security it is you that should not fly.

Originally posted by jerico65
What would you rather have? A scan from one of these machines, or a caviety search?

All of the above is someone will hold me afterwards

Nah seriously I can actually see my self going through those scanners butt naked... If it's a condition they hit me up with microwave radiation and gawk it's also a condition I go through in my birthday suit... I'm not ashamed of what God gave me, I believe he gave me freedom to be neked

reply to post by Death_Kron

If we were forcing people to be stripped searched and to undergo a colonic irrigation before boarding I could understand but some of the views people have expressed in this thread have been.. well beyond comprehension.

It's good to see you actually have a limit to what you will tolerate. However I have a feeling with the right media campaign you would quickly change your mind. Almost all of your arguments could be simply applied in support of strip and cavity searches.

Like others have said, it sounds like a ton of paranoia. Most people are making this out, like the only way they can leave their house, is to go through an air-port. Nobody is forcing anybody to do anything they don't want to. If you don't want to go through the scanner, then you are stripped of the luxury of sitting in the sky, going 500+mph. It's not your "right" to fly, as you should know that god never gave you wings, it's just a privilege/luxury.

I have the privilege and luxury of being able to drive, but if I mess up, then chances are I could get that taken away. Hell, if I've been drinking, and come to a random roadblock, where cops are checking drivers, again, I loose my privilege to drive. If I haven't been drinking, then it's just a routine stop. But if I have been drinking, then big foul on my part! I'm only in denial if I blame the cops for a roadblock, when truth of the matter is, I shouldn't have been drinking and driving.

So in other words, if you wanna fly, it would be smart not to bring a bomb or weapons along.





[edit on 4-3-2010 by TravisT]