AFA: Stone to Death Killer Whale Who Killed Trainer

reply to post by captaintyinknots


Nope, sorry. She did not fall in. She was halfway in the water on some kind of "stand" that they use and her ponytail floated in front of the whale's mouth and he grabbed it. And took her under. For why we will never know.

I was wondering if this whale showed any kind of reaction to the accident afterward? Like if it acted depressed or something. I dunno, just rambling here...

peace out from a rainy boring Berkeley

Originally posted by dawnstar
didn't think I was saying it was the whales fault....and supposedly, there is video out, the whale came out of the water and well, pulled her in.
either way, doesn't really matter much. ya see, the whale was just being a whale more than likely....
but, you say let's start by not capturing these animals....like I said, the illegal whaling is decimating the population, they are endangered species....would these whales have a better chance of survival in the wild? ain't gonna get into the morality of seaworld, considering they are going into the water and playing with these huge animals, I am surprised there isn't more deaths!!! They are animals that really demand our respect...and well, deserve it!

but, well, not capturing more, sure, maybe....still say this whale was purchased from a zoo, will see if I can confirm that...
but, what about the ones that we have..
let them lose in the wild.....they will die!!
so, well, there's ours to keep! I'd much rather see them cordone off a part of the ocean and make a reserve somehow, but well, that's a little far fetched....so ya, they are going to live the lives in captivity, it's the most humane thing!
stoning the poor animal to death is about the least humane thing I can think of...but well...if the loonies of the world get their way, can we at least feed some of the hungry and experiment with turning the blubber into fuel....
the poor thing's death should have some sane purpose!

1)I will have to see that video to believe it. ANd even if that were the case, that tends to be what happebns when one keeps a natural predator in captivity.

2)Illegal whaling is disgusting, however, it is hardly 'decemating' the population. The population is in trouble becasue of previous, very legal whaling.

3)These whales would have a better chance in the wild. If you do not think so, do a little research on the amount of area a whale lives in for its lifespan, how they travel, how they care for each other, etc. Did you know the lifespan of an orca in captivity is about 40 years less than those in the wild?

Taking ANYTHING out of its natural habitat is a recipe for damage to that animal.

4)Orcas do not breed well in captivity. You can't just 'purchase one from a zoo'. If you do, chances are you are still purchasing a wild caught orca. If you DO get one that was born in captivity, well, guess what? Its parents were wild caught.

Keeping these animals in captivity is the start, middle and end of this problem.

A whale is not an ox. If they want to keep things literal they should keep all of it literal (and also follow every other "law".)

Originally posted by berkeleygal
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

Nope, sorry. She did not fall in. She was halfway in the water on some kind of "stand" that they use and her ponytail floated in front of the whale's mouth and he grabbed it. And took her under. For why we will never know.

I was wondering if this whale showed any kind of reaction to the accident afterward? Like if it acted depressed or something. I dunno, just rambling here...

peace out from a rainy boring Berkeley

Again, I need proof of that. By most accounts, she slipped, bumped the whale, and THEN he grabbed her.

And again, either way, what do you think is going to happen with a natural predator in captivity?

I certainly hope the whale did not stress after the incident. Life in captivity is extremely stressful on these beautiful animals. They need no more because some idiot thought it was a good idea to get in the water with them.

Has anyone actually verified this story to be true and not just a chance for the liberal Huffington Post to bash a conservative group? I did a google search but don't see it on any serious news sites, just blogs and forums. It sounds too much like the punchline to a bad joke.

Originally posted by Dr Love
Ask yourself why a legitimate news source (term used very loosely) would even run such a ridiculous article? It's all right there in front of you, but you just have to be able to read between the lines to see it, and it has nothing to do with conservative or liberal or Christianity or atheist or whatever.

Bait meet fish.

Peace

Four steps ahead of you Dr. Love...

Originally posted by Dr Love
Ask yourself why a legitimate news source (term used very loosely) would even run such a ridiculous article? It's all right there in front of you, but you just have to be able to read between the lines to see it, and it has nothing to do with conservative or liberal or Christianity or atheist or whatever.

Bait meet fish.

Peace

Instead of being cryptic, would you care to ellaborate?

Yes, stoning him is primitive, vindictive thinking. Typical of immature, violent types.

It is a sad fact that this animal cannot be returned to his former home.
He should not be used in any future shows. He has been proven to be dangerous.
To isolate him would be cruel as these are gregarious animals.

I do think he should be put down. The logical practical thing to do would be to make Shamuburgers out of him to be sold in a fund raiser with the proceeds to go to that that Trainer's family.

I hate to make more laws to restrict our freedoms, but it is also logical and practical that no more of these animals should be bred or captured, for any reason. Let them be a protected species in their own environment.

This religious group is delusional because the scripture they are quoting is the old testament, and that is not at all what Christians are about at all...
The Christian religion today focuses on the new testament, which is the gospel written by the saints. The old testament is purely for historical studies.
I am a Christian so I know what I am talking about. (I could be wrong though), anyways, This group show an example of how people and groups will take something from their religion and use it nefariously to promote their own agenda, not God's agenda.. That's a big no no...
I wish more people understood that Christianity does not do anything bad or advocate anything bad, it is people themselves that do these things.

Originally posted by SuperSlovak
It seems the christians are still stuck in the stone ages. Im glad we live in a more civilized world.

Originally posted by brilab45
Stories like these make me want to come out as complete unabashed anti-christian zealout.

This is the problem with too many posts and threads on ATS; people see a negative story about a certain race, religion or political belief, and they see it as a vehicle to let out all their intolerant, bigoted, vitriolic prejudice against everyone that belongs to that group.

This rather unpleasant sounding story comes from the American Families Association, it is not a joint statement issued by 1.8bn adherents of Christianity !
This is no better than judging all Muslims because of a minority of fanatics, judging all black people because you once had a bad experience walking through the ''ghetto'', or judging all left leaning people because of atrocities committed by communist regimes !
Why bother even coming to this site at all, when these sort of views would be more suitable for the comments section on youtube videos.


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It sounds like the American Family Association is stoned. Well, a killer whale isn't an ox so their scriptural reference is really stupid. On the practical side just HOW would you stone an Orca to death?
The whale should be released back into the wild where it belongs and the American family association should go back to their caves where they belong.
I never knew Huffpost had a sense of humor.

Quote from link contained within the OP:

Says the ancient civil code of Israel, "When an ox gores a man or woman to death, the ox shall be stoned, and its flesh shall not be eaten, but the owner shall not be liable." (Exodus 21:28)

Since when were Christians (derived from 'Christ') practitioners of ' the ancient code of Israel' ?

Followers of the 'ancient code of Israel' applies to jews. Doesn't it ?

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Originally posted by bagari
Has anyone actually verified this story to be true and not just a chance for the liberal Huffington Post to bash a conservative group? I did a google search but don't see it on any serious news sites, just blogs and forums. It sounds too much like the punchline to a bad joke.

It's for real, unfortunately.
www.afa.net...

Originally posted by captaintyinknots
Instead of being cryptic, would you care to ellaborate?

My apologies to Dr Love if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure he's correctly referring to the ''divide and conquer'' tactics of the governments and the MSM.
Print a divisive story about any group of people, with the result of people having petty squabbles about non-issues such as this, when we the people should be putting on a united front.
In this case they've succeeded with us, and I'll await another 15-page anger and hatefest with both sides expending time and energy arguing points that don't need to be argued, and in reality absolutely nothing will have changed since before the thread started.

The gist of the rant from the AFA site:

If the counsel of the Judeo-Christian tradition had been followed, Tillikum would have been put out of everyone's misery back in 1991 and would not have had the opportunity to claim two more human lives.

Says the ancient civil code of Israel, "When an ox gores a man or woman to death, the ox shall be stoned, and its flesh shall not be eaten, but the owner shall not be liable." (Exodus 21:28)

So, your animal kills somebody, your moral responsibility is to put that animal to death. You have no moral culpability in the death, because you didn't know the animal was going to go postal on somebody.

But, the Scripture soberly warns, if one of your animals kills a second time because you didn't kill it after it claimed its first human victim, this time you die right along with your animal. To use the example from Exodus, if your ox kills a second time, "the ox shall be stoned, and its owner also shall be put to death." (Exodus 21:29)

This isn't Christian !

This is jewish -- it's 'the ancient code of Israel', as shown above

Makes you realise how far Christians evolved, once Christ delivered them from the muslim-sounding 'logic' of the Old Testament

There's a similar load of vomitus within The Little Green Book, written by The Father of the Islamic Revolution, Ayotollah Khomeini, who instructs that if a man has sex with a human infant or animal, he must kill the animal immediately but may not sell the flesh to his own village but must instead sell it elsewhere

The OP is incorrect in portraying the AFA's nonsensical drivel as 'Christian'

hope he rectifies the slander asap

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Originally posted by Benji1999

Originally posted by captaintyinknots
Instead of being cryptic, would you care to ellaborate?

My apologies to Dr Love if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure he's correctly referring to the ''divide and conquer'' tactics of the governments and the MSM.
Print a divisive story about any group of people, with the result of people having petty squabbles about non-issues such as this, when we the people should be putting on a united front.
In this case they've succeeded with us, and I'll await another 15-page anger and hatefest with both sides expending time and energy arguing points that don't need to be argued, and in reality absolutely nothing will have changed since before the thread started.

Which is the exact reason why I posted this article in the first place. It was a great exercise in showing everybody the tactics of the MSM and world governments. I think it's still a valid article about why we all need to come to a mutual understanding about each other instead of fighting about words in a 2000+ year old book (I am sorry if you feel deceived, but I feel it was an important lesson).

My stance is that this whale will not make it in the wild on it's own. It has been proven before that other pods of Orcas will not accept a new member and will sometimes kill them. I agree with one member's post about making a large pen or sanctuary where they can still swim free, but still get fed if they need to be.

Should this beautiful creature be destroyed because of human error? Absolutely NOT.

I feel sorry for it, and for the family of the trainer, and that's what we should all be focused on.

If we are to ever survive as a society, these division tactics by the MSM should be ignored.

reply to post by truthseeker1984


I voted he should be released in the wild, he obviously doesn't like being kept a prisoner by primate like creatures. While the accident was a tragedy, I do not believe they have the right to keep whales and dolpins in captivity.

This is utterly ridiculous. The whale was just being a whale!

From what I understand, the trainer stepped into the pool, which she was NOT suppose to do, sat down on a step, then lay down in the water with her long hair floating right in front of the whale. He probably thought it was a fish. You don't kill an animal for doing what comes naturally, esp. if you have kept him in captivity for most his life. This woman was suppose to be one of the best trainers, yet she got in the pool with the whale, rubbed him with her hair, then lay down with hail floating right in front of him. DUH!

I don't think these whales could ever be released and survive. Most of the whales at SeaWorld were born there and don't even have a clue as to what the ocean is.

I do agree with emeraldzeus that the whales should be relocated to expansive, natural "sea" pens where they can properly retire in their natural habitat, but still be looked after and fed if needed. NO MORE BREEDING!!

Originally posted by antideceit
This religious group is delusional because the scripture they are quoting is the old testament, and that is not at all what Christians are about at all...
The Christian religion today focuses on the new testament, which is the gospel written by the saints. The old testament is purely for historical studies.
I am a Christian so I know what I am talking about. (I could be wrong though), anyways, This group show an example of how people and groups will take something from their religion and use it nefariously to promote their own agenda, not God's agenda.. That's a big no no...
I wish more people understood that Christianity does not do anything bad or advocate anything bad, it is people themselves that do these things.

They're not actually delusional. This is NWO. Mr X, does any one remember him and his videos. He warned about a plan in nwo to introduce a kind of christian Sharia law, with people being hung for adultery and homosexuality, having this religous law the law of the land.

I see anything attempting to reset the human race to barbaric primitive circumstances to be the Rothschild's/Rockefellers/DuPonts and House of Windsor up to their nasty works again!!!!!!!

That this article even came out makes me now realize THEY SET THE WHALE UP USING FREQUENCY TO MIND CONTROL KIND OF MKULTRA. The military works with dolpins much the same way, doing tons of dark things.

This cinched it for me.

Originally posted by Benji1999

Originally posted by cjcord
Annnnd this proves the thread regarding religious having lower IQ's...

How so ?
Since when has a presumably tiny group such as the AFA represented 'religious people' as a whole ?
I'd never heard of them before today ( I'm in the UK ), but what they are advocating isn't necessarily unintelligent - just cruel, barbaric, immoral and sadistic.
Intelligence isn't synonymous with morality.



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When the decision has been made before the question was asked.