The Video The US Army Doesn't Want You To See*Warning*

reply to post by Trappedinspace

When you say how would you like all the blood drained out of you that does does not come off as someone who is allowing someone an opinion. Why don't you think about that before you come on here and judge me.

reply to post by rick1


Ok ok i get it, We can only do it to the earth, shame the earth can't speak for it self, someone has to speak for it, no one else will, Not in the mood for your silly games, You are only a noob here still, And judging by most your comments so far, you just came in to start trouble with people, Last thing I have to say to you, is the same thing i tell my children, "Go sook in the corner, and come out when you have thought about what you've done"


Peace

reply to post by Trappedinspace

And you came here to judge people and you are way off about me.

Originally posted by rick1
reply to post by Chevalerous

 

I knew exactly what you were talking about. All those intl. treaties are illegal because they supercede our constitution.

Yes of course! but maybe It's only beautiful words from the government which they are using to fool the masses to believe that you still are living under a 100 % functional US constitution? maybe most of your old beautiful constitution is nothing more than a piece of paper these corrupted days?

All those intl. treaties are illegal because they supercede our constitution

Yes they should be from a constitutional point of view and not from a incorporated shadow government standing under contract Law who signed those International treaties.

They are however openly never constructed to be a threat against someones Sovereignty, if they were, no one would ever sign them - exception would maybe the EU!

But do you really believe that you are now living under the full 100% constitution when you in the reality have A CORPORATED WARTIME GOVERNMENT of the Crown ruled by contract Law?

A wartime Government ruling with Special Executive Orders & Emergency Powers Statutes as well!

I believe that in International legal terms - some multilateral International treaties signed by the US is binding until the US choses to withdraw from the treaties which then can be nullified by a statute passed by the US Congress.

Hence the International legal dilemma concerning the (by the International legal perspective and principles) Illegal Iraq war we have today.

They now only have 2 choices to go as I see it:


1. Honour their part of the International treaties which the US has signed and play ball with the rest of the of the International community.

OR

2. Ignore the International treaties which the US has signed and withdraw from the International community by nullifying these treaties in the US Congress openly infront of the world community.

(Or scrap the whole thing and implement a NewWorldOrder with new legal framework)


And none of this has yet happened, we are still in a legal vacuum concerning the legal outcome of these breached International treaties.

The US are naturally referring their actions as an act of national security - but the world community now knows that the reason to go to war and to invade a sovereign country was a lie and was the result of the PNAC agenda. And they now declare that the Iraq war is/was Illegal.

But as I said before, you are now living under special circumstances and under Special Executive Orders..

And no one can force you to be a part of the world community.

And therefore it's impossible to know how they will solve this legal dilemma with the International community which are equally corrupt, and by doing so in the same time, save their faces infront of all the world's citizens who are now watching them, and are waiting for their move to expose themselves.

And it won't be easy for them not to expose that their Corporated Banking Government is standing under corporated contract Law, and not the US constitution.

(Hence why I believe this is why we are very soon going to see a new Legislative union in the world - or maybe a North American Union with new legal framework, like in the EU)

That would certainly be an easy solution for them to find a way out of this legal & political mess - and they can add a new world economy & currency to that as a bonus.

The US has been in bankruptcy since June 5, 1933, when Franklin Roosevelt and the Congress passed and signed the relevant legislation.

Speaker-Rep. James Traficant, Jr. (Ohio) addressing the House:

"Mr. Speaker, we are here now in chapter 11.. Members of Congress are
official trustees presiding over the greatest reorganization of any Bankrupt
entity in world history, the U.S. Government. We are setting forth
hopefully, a blueprint for our future. There are some who say it is a
coroner's report that will lead to our demise.


It is an established fact that the United States Federal Government has
been dissolved by the Emergency Banking Act, March 9, 1933, 48 Stat. 1,
Public Law 89-719; declared by President Roosevelt, being bankrupt and
insolvent. H.J.R. 192, 73rd Congress m session June 5, 1933 - Joint
Resolution To Suspend The Gold Standard and Abrogate The Gold Clause
dissolved the Sovereign Authority of the United States and the official
capacities of all United States Governmental Offices, Officers, and
Departments and is further evidence that the United States Federal
Government exists today in name only.

www.apfn.net...


Now! I can't verify this but many people here on ATS suspect that US Constitution was Suspended since 1933. The 1933 state of emergency was meant to be temporary, and FDR even promised to end it before leaving office, but since 1976 every new President has to sign and renew these executive orders which would mean that you still have a state of emergency and as well are living under wartime government.

Since March 9, 1933, the United States has supposedly remained in a continuous state of declared National Emergency. Since that time, the American people have lost their rights to government, and these rights have not been restored. The American government rules the people by Statute – not the Constitution – in all cases.

Under an emergency government, all rights to due process of law are suspended.

There is a myriad of this written on the net where we can read about this - but as I said, I can unfortunately not verify it yet! beside what you can read in many books and on the Internet.

America – Under A Permanent State Of National Emergency Since 1933

The fact is, American’s have been living under a permanent state of emergency since 1933 and the Roosevelt administration. Actually, many states of emergencies.

Every President since Roosevelt has used these proclamations for the sole purpose of maintaining and extending their own unconstitutional, Caesar-like powers, and those Executive powers continue to increase. In fact, since 1976, every President has either proclaimed new, or reaffirmed an existing state of national emergency.

5ptsalt.com...

Yes, we are still in a state of emergency.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, GEORGE W. BUSH, President of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, I hereby declare that the national emergency has existed since September 11, 2001 . . . ."

That declared state of emergency has continued in full force and effect from 9/11 [throughout the Bush administration] to the present.

On September 10 2009, President Obama continued the state of emergency:

In 1973, the Senate created a Special Committee on the Termination of the National Emergency (subsequently redesignated the Special Committee on National Emergencies and Delegated Emergency Powers) to investigate the matter and to propose reforms. Ascertaining the continued existence of four presidential declarations of national emergency, the Special Committee (U.S. Senate 1973, p. iii) reported:

"These proclamations give force to 470 provisions of Federal law. . . . taken together, [they] confer enough authority to rule the country without reference to normal constitutional processes. Under the powers delegated by these statutes, the President may: seize property; organize and control the means of production; seize commodities; assign military forces abroad; institute martial law; seize and control all transportation and communications; regulate the operation of private enterprise; restrict travel; and, in a plethora of particular ways, control the lives of all American citizens."

(Most or all of the emergency powers referred to by the above-quoted 1973 Senate report were revoked in the late 1970's by 50 U.S.C. Section 1601. However, presidents have made numerous declarations of emergency since then, and the declarations made by President Bush in September 2001 are still in effect).

It is also clear that the White House has kept substantial information concerning its presidential proclamations and directives hidden from Congress. For example, according to Steven Aftergood of the Federation of American Scientists Project on Government Secrecy:

"Of the 54 National Security Presidential Directives issued by the [George W.] Bush Administration to date, the titles of only about half have been publicly identified. There is descriptive material or actual text in the public domain for only about a third. In other words, there are dozens of undisclosed Presidential directives that define U.S. national security policy and task government agencies, but whose substance is unknown either to the public or, as a rule, to Congress."

www.georgewashington2.blogspot.com...

The United States is formally in an ongoing (and effectively permanent) limited state of emergency declared by several Presidents for several reasons.

en.wikipedia.org...

Google for much more!

But since I am not American you probably know about this a lot better than I do since this is not my area of expertise

(where is ProtoplasmicTraveler when we need him, lol!)

Yeah maybe you should talk with ProtoplasmicTraveler here on ATS - I know for a fact that he is a fountain of knowledge concerning contract & Roman Law - and could maybe shed a light on how this will affect the constitution and the US relationship with International Law and this illegal war dilemma.


[edit on 6-3-2010 by Chevalerous]

reply to post by Chevalerous

Our rights were not given to us by this or any other govt. and therefore cannot be taken away by any govt. The constitution grants the bulk of power to the states and people and is still in effect. The fact that people allow themselves to be duped and not use that power does not negate that fact. I realize sometimes I look at things differently and people seem to think that I'm simply argumentative. That's not it. I want to wake people up like many people here do.
This govt. has not taken any freedoms from me and there is nothing they can do to take my freedom. I am in my fifties and it took until a couple of years ago to really understand what Patrick Henry meant when he said"Give me liberty or give me death". The govt. can round me up shackle me stick me in a voting booth with a gun to my head and say pull the lever for Obama. When I say no I still die a free man.

reply to post by rick1

Our rights were not given to us by this or any other govt. and therefore cannot be taken away by any govt. The constitution grants the bulk of power to the states and people and is still in effect. The fact that people allow themselves to be duped and not use that power does not negate that fact. I realize sometimes I look at things differently and people seem to think that I'm simply argumentative. That's not it. I want to wake people up like many people here do. This govt. has not taken any freedoms from me and there is nothing they can do to take my freedom. I am in my fifties and it took until a couple of years ago to really understand what Patrick Henry meant when he said"Give me liberty or give me death". The govt. can round me up shackle me stick me in a voting booth with a gun to my head and say pull the lever for Obama. When I say no I still die a free man.

GOOD TOO HEAR

PEACE

Originally posted by crmanager
This rabidly insane "Blame America" bashing that happens on ATS and specifically on this post is beyond the pale.

Bad things happened in this war as in EVERY war. The rapists were punished and are serving time (remember the movie 'Redacted?") Puppy guy is in jail. You seemed to have forgetten to mention that.

It amazes me how many people see America as the font of all evil in the world.

Let's throw out an idea you bizzare dog lovers...I am will to bet that ALL of you on this site are pro-abortion. Consider the murder a REALLY late term abortion. That should relax you.

You are allowed to be anti war. The soldiers give you the ability to be anti-war. Anti war activists in China/russia/Iran...are imprisoned.

But what about the never ending occupation that is being performed by these military members, for resources?

this is so messed up. So hard for me to see this stuff. I cant believe I`m growing up in a world that has come to this. How can people not care about whats going on over there. Its inhumane.

one day soon tho there will be peace on earth.

Thanks for the thread although I must tell you I've thrown up a little in my mouth. That I haven't experienced full out vomiting is likely I've been desensitized from the voluminous inhumanity we see daily. We have asked young people to put their sensitivities, civility and morals on hold while supposedly serving a greater good at least since the Korean conflict if not longer. It's not surprising that so many give in to the environment they've been placed in.

I couldn't help but think this morning that many of these same callous criminals will be returning home and many will not leave this military training behind. It's been going on for decades I know. It must be far worse now that this mindset has had more time, psychology and technology behind it. The one speck of hope in this is that there are still people that come home devastated, broken and disgusted with what they've seen and participated in.

How soon will our country be in Yemen?

*READ: i really do love how this is a conspiracy website and everyone that watched this video automatically believes every heart bleeding word. its a story that plays on your emotions, it sucked you in and you didn't give it a second thought. congratulations, you're all sheep to the media. if this was a video about something that you didn't find interesting, or worthy of protest or debate. it didn't have an emotional impact, yet spoke the truth, you wouldn't have given it a chance and thought it was all garbage or another conspiracy. yes, somethings in the video were messed up, and shouldn't have been done by those service members. however, that doesn't reflect the attitude or mentality of all service members. believe me when i say, the men who commit crimes in warzones or other countries, they are thoroughly punished. many spend years in kuwaiti prisons, and other host nation prisons and are punished according to their host nation laws. there are many regulations, and rules of engagment emplaced by U.S. officals that are very strict, and if these rules are broken you reap the consequences, and they're severe. for anyone who has ever been to iraq, afghanistan, or any country in a time of war, they know that no matter how many rules and regulations are emplaced, and no matter how many verbal and physically visible warning signs you give someone, there is always an incident where a horrible decision has to be made. in most instances that decision has to be made in about 1-2 seconds. sometimes its the right one that saved not only american lives, but iraqi and afghani lives. more times than not, its a higher number of iraqis saved, or afghanis saved, not americans. most of the armed forces are in these countries for the right reasons, and only a very few make the bad decisions to harm people without cause, don't let them ruin your opinion of our nations forces. if you want to see real horror, and attrocity, watch some al-qaeda or taliban videos. tell me how much they care about civilian casualties. you won't even get to see the full, un-edited versions of the terrorist videos. you will only see the edited propaganda videos they release to gain support of their genocide, and you can still count numerous civilian casualties due to their suicide car bombs, and suicide explosive vests, and sporadic gunfire. this video tags al-qaeda as heroes of their countries, revolutionaries per say. you watch some of their videos , then you tell me what heroes they are. the taliban and al-qaeda kill more civilians of their own nation than they do U.S. troops (the so-called infidels/occupational forces). we as Americans at least account for the civilian loss of life, and we offer our condolences and remorse, these terrorist shrug their shoulders and move on to kill more for their radical opinions. if the taliban, and al-qaeda tallied the number of civilians they have killed in their attacks, you would fall to the floor in shock, it would make our civilian casaulties look miniscule. they don't have the honor and integrity to do that though. they don't even offer and apology to the families, just more threats to kill them if they cooperate with coalition forces. i couldn't count on my fingers and toes, how many people i met in iraq that had family members killed by al-qaeda, because they helped the coalition forces capture the terrorist in their neighborhood who kept blowing up their friends and family. its sickening that they get away with this mass murder. if you want to call our service members in the U.S. animals, maybe you should investigate a little more into these so-called heroic terrorist organizations. our U.S. government officials may have ulterior motives in these countries, but don't punish the men and women of the armed forces for these officials shallow actions. most of us are here for the sake of humanity, and the survival of the true Statesmen of our country, and to pass on the legacy and ideals passed on to us from our fore fathers.

reply to post by jonatheory


as someone whose been keeping track of these forums (but new to being a member) it seems apparent that everybody is grouping every single human being in the army as animals. I take offense to this because i have many friends who are in the army because they want to make specific areas a better place. I am aware more than few men/women on the force take a different liking to their job but SOME soldiers work to help. I agree with you, keep an open mind to this video, yes its barbaric, but one shouldnt base their opinions on them as a whole because of it.

Originally posted by stephinrazin
Powerful. One of the strongest videos I have seen. The internet is the only hope left for truth, and the justice that necceitates the spreading of truth.

Yes, and remember, they want to 'regulate' the internet...

Most men and women over there don't act like this however to many are put in situations that foster this kind of behaviour. We need to get the troops the hell out of there.

Here is a letter from another angry American that sums up my feelings at times:

WARNING: ADULT LANGUAGE USED

I hate what America has become.

There are so many reasons that frankly, it's hard to pick a place to start:

First of all.....when 28% of you brain dead f'ing morons give a blithering IDIOT like Sarah Palin positive approval ratings and think she ought to run for president in 2012, it really makes me sick to know I am lumbered with that many mouth-breathing Cro-Magnons I unfortunately have to consider as my fellow countrymen...

treebeard31.blogspot.com...

I am simply sick to my stomach!

There should be no doubt that these are the end times - the fight between good and evil. Satan's minions have over-run and infested this planet, destroying anything good. The minds of our youth have been sacrificed and corrupted so that darkness may spread. May God help us all!

I read the first page of responses to this post. I am surprised at how the 'intelligent' ATS community kind of just piled on and seemed to insinuate that all US Armed Forces act like this.

Remember this, the Armed Forces are a microcosm of the whole American population. In other words there are people like this in your neighborhood, school and at your church. You know that guy that is a genuinely good person that seems to enjoy helping people? There are guys like that in the military too.

This is a warning sign that society and humanity is circling the drain. It seems the more I look at the actions of people like this, the more I feel the human race is just a big waste of time. With all this greed, arrogance and cruelty, I am ashamed of being human.

I to had to stop watching... And these people serve your country? I know that probably 90% plus of serving soldiers are decent people, and risking their lives everyday to protect us is amazing. But surely these people that are doing these things should be struck from the army and jailed.

Killing civillians or animals like this is a disgrace to the us army, but i dont think this is limited to the US, every army of each country has these sorts of people. I am not singling out the US.

Faces were shown, why can they be caught and dealt with?

This is by far one of the best videos I have ever seen about what is really going on with our military and its true role in the world.

Every single person that said they turned it off and couldn't watch anymore should toughen up and watch ever last second of this video of what your nation is doing in the name of your freedom. Videos like these are worthless if you people don't watch them in their entirety.

This is what our money is supporting. These atrocities are what our leaders know about when they smile and wave the flag for photo shoots. When they go eat at their $50,000 a plate dinner parties they know about whats going on in the US controlled prisons outside of the States and the secret CIA torture sites in Eastern Europe. When they shake the hands of the people they have fooled and kiss the faces of babies who they will try to fool, they know about the draconian laws being passed to enslave us all, both physically and financially. They know because they created it all. All of these things have been going of for decades.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it."
- Abraham Lincoln

Since the Constitution is no longer relevant I guess amending it is not an option...

Buck up people!






[edit on 9-3-2010 by A NeWorlDisorder]

Originally posted by The time lord


I just randomly found this video when trying to find an example of US torture or bulling in their own recruitments but found this about Pakistan.

It tells me that no army is innocent but maybe some feel they have the religious right without guilt to act in certain ways.



I watched this and i was in disbelieve that anywhere in the world this would be considered ok by any means. I really wish i was able to understand what they were saying i think it would make a lot more sense even though it DOES NOT justify what was done. Thanks for the post this video was new to me. i do not completely understand how to use the "quote" so im sorry for this but the two short lines above is what im quoting and the video is on time lords post. once again sorry.

[edit on 9-3-2010 by Agnostic_Alien]

I posted the same video on Nov 09 and got no flags and 3 replies

Perhaps I need to learn to embed video - it seems people were interested - just too lazy to click.

PS: Did people find this disturbing? I find THAT disturbing in itself. I guess people just don't have any idea of reality - this is very tame. No decapitated bodies, or bodies mashed by vehicles or scattered bits and pieces or bodies - nothing really graphic. The stories also - nothing unusual or strange for a war zone.

People seem to have no idea of just what the US has been visiting on the rest of the world for the last 80 yrs - atomic blasts, fallout, white phosphorous, agent orange, carpet bombing, rendition, assassination, sabotage, torture ..

This video is nothing to the reality - I wish people would think before supporting any war.

Bomb NK they say, attack Iran - out with Chavez .. what horror awaits behind those doors is already known.

Leave the world in peace.

[edit on 9-3-2010 by Amagnon]