Tithing..... And the scum that rob God...

reply to post by Copperflower


A... Freakin .... Men...... GOD provides... You dont have to ask... He just does... And you prove THAT... WOW... That is faith...

If the people of God was to see THAT... Then they would have faith in truth instead of thinking that they would win the lotto.. Money and things are not important, but the relationships that w develop in serving one another is an adventure and proof of God that only those who have done that know... Wow.... Again.. Im soooo praying for you everyday... What a privilege it is that a site like this has people like you...

Maybe they feel they can buy their way into heaven? You know like God is keeping a list of who "tithed" and how much! Its a archaic system but can you really blame religion for taking advantage of the sheeple who still buy into it.

reply to post by Yissachar1


If only I could find a group of people with your mindset in my area. We seem to be infected with the "going to church" instead of "being the church" syndrome.

reply to post by iamsupermanv2


Duped....

So if you see the people being duped like that, then how can you believe God???

The enemy must LOVE the church coz the people who attend are easily duped into anything... Serving each other isnt one of them though...

Praise clubs and light shows IS....

"How far you have fallen oh son of the morning"....

Isaiah said that to someone else... Lucifer if im not mistaken...

reply to post by Bilw85


Dude you can find them!! They are there... And if you need help.. Im here to help you..
But YOU are THERE, not me... Like the watcher on the wall, YOU have to warn.... You can change things... God Gave you and I a spirit of LOVE POWER and SOUND MIND... He dont make mistakes... We were all born for THIS hour.. Our tasks have been given... So has yours... Dont be afraid.. God is with you...

reply to post by sadwolf


Yeah.. But you cant buy your way into heaven... it doesnt come by what you have or even what you did.. Because doing stuff like giving to the poor isnt gonna get you there either.. Its what is in your heart that counts... I can be rich and give to the poor, but it means nothing coz im rich, and my giving is not a real sacrifice.. Also.. If the intent of my heart was wrong in the giving... That I do it to get something in return.. Then that is nothing too...

We do it because we love God and those made in His image... If we dont love those made in His image then how can we love God??

Love, friendship, relationship is the whole thing.... Being Judgmental is not what we were made for , serving one another is....

We are blessed to be a blessing to others... Not to keep it in a vault... But to share...

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Originally posted by Yissachar1
reply to post by Shadowflux

 

I suggest taking a parcel of food as your next tithe.. That is biblical... Food, nappies, all of those things for the needy... The "church" building was only evr meant as a meeting place, and a place where goods for those who need it could be given... The REAL church is the body... The body is the real temple of the Holy Spirit.. You cant leave THAT behind on Sunday!

Offerings however is your own choice...

Good thinking here. Every once in awhile, at my local Kroger store, these Christian kids sit at a table to collect for "poor starving kids in Gambia." Well, my wife has a great online friend who runs an orphanage in Gambia. He tells us that most money sent there gets taken by the warlords in the area, Africa is full of these people. So anyway, I report this to the kids, and one called me a liar! I then asked them why not collect for poor hungry kids right here in America, there are plenty of them here. Black stares was all I got from them. And you are totally right, Shadowflux, this is called "racketeering." Of course this crime is a pittance compared to the real crimes of the Church.

reply to post by autowrench


That post was me and not shadowflux but soo what... There are kids in the very street you live in that are in dire need... Just coz they live in america doesnt mean anything... Its worse actually... Because you ignore those in need that are under your own nose then they grow up to be a problem and then you wonder why crime is soo high and there is no compassion left... Charity has begin at home.. Once you have done that, then you can be a solution to everyone else...



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She kept her child clean.. on Buckingham Green.

Man, I heard all that! I live in a pretty small town in Southern Ohio. The town is some $400,000 in the hole, and is doing the following things to "save."
All local cops have been fired, if we need police or 911, we have a 15 minute wait from a nearby city.
No more chemicals in the water, it is un-drinkable.
Turing off all street lights and traffic lights.
Taking down all street signs and selling them for scrap.

Glad I have a gun and know how to use it. Local crime has gone through the roof since these things happened. I am quite sure there are many town like this in America. We have beggars here!

Good thread, star for you OP. I have noticed this too, and all it seems to do is turn people off to Christ. I believe if you're going to call yourself a Christian, you have to make an effort at the very least to do as he commanded from us.

reply to post by autowrench


That is exactly what tithing was meant for..... Damn...... You give to a sink hole of a government in taxes for no returns... But if you give to your community??... The returns come back in more than one way... Trouble is.. That a lot of Americans have been conditioned to think that that kind if tithing is socialism or communism.. But its not.. Its investing in your community and its people at a local level that in time makes a more caring country that TRULY takes care of its citizens and is a position to help other countries... But if those other countries were good stewards too, then everyone would be in a position to help everyone else... Just as God planned...

Good Post OP.


I discovered Christianity and Tithing had nothing to do with god when I was young.

Me and my family went to a Christian Church since I was 11. One day one of the members was called out in front of the entire congregation. Aparently the Pastor found out that this member had been giving his Tithes to feed starving kids in Africa.

The Pastor told him something along the lines of, ... God's money should go to his house and all of this BS, ..... the member tried to plea his case, .... but the Pastor threw him out anyway.

I realized then, .. that it was all a money racket... the Pastor didn't have a job, he lived on Tithes, .... god's money !! ... and he had confronted this member and threw him out in front of everyone in an effort to scare the rest of the congregation.

Christianity, ... and especialy televanglisim, .... is for suckers.

There are many churches in our area that have food pantries and shelters for the homeless, one pastor doesn't get paid he works as a butcher, there are some following the true path if you know where to find them, which will be in the inner city among the poor.

Consider this though, A church that provides food for the hungry,, and clothing for the poor, and shelter for the homeless, needs to keep the heat and lights on.

Bad thing is that people hear/see these so called "churches" duping people out of money and then think that this is what all Christians do.

Jesus went to the temple courtyard flippin' tables left and right due to this very thing - making the temple a house of merchandise.

And yes, OP, you are absolutely correct in your "Duper List" - Tbn shows some good programs but I won't watch the channel at all during their week long "money begging fest - "Hurry, hurry, RUUUUUUUN to the phone, HURRY, go NOW....."

I feel sorry for these kinds of people deceiving/scamming others in God's name.

i.e. God is gonna be awful busy come Judgement Day.

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Hi ...I hope you don't include all churches in your assertations that tithing is a racket. The church I grew up in and attended for 38 years had a pastor that worked a public job. The money paid to him helped cover his costs of driving across three counties to visit sick and distressed family members, at home and in hospitals.

I agree with most of your ideas, but remember, there are some good churches out there too. Our tithes cover the costs of our church... heat, lights, materials and lesson books... they also cover portions donated to local missions, rescue and emergency relief missions...some of which are at work in Haiti and Chilie as we read this. We support local kitchens, a food pantry, a local charity that provides the needs of families and single parents. We help support a local relief charity which retrofits distressed homes, provides furniture like beds, cribs, stoves, heaters, etc.

Our pastor is retired and serves our church...for a small salary. He is also compensated for gas. He should be paid something... try answering phone calls at 3am because someone is on the verge of dying, and driving 60 miles one way to the main cardiac unit in the nearest city.

Like you, I question the intent of churches that put so much into windows, gyms, paved parking lots. But, there are some good churches out there... please, don't just label an entire religion or faith or effort because of the trash. There is good and bad in any group, even churches... the Bible addresses this.

Remember, Jesus said in Matthew 7: I will not answer to everyone that calls my name...depart from me, for I never knew you.

Consider this though, A church that provides food for the hungry,, and clothing for the poor, and shelter for the homeless, needs to keep the heat and lights on.

reply to post by Stormdancer777


That is what what offerings are for... but if people kept it simple, and concentrated on their community, then cooking a meals at home and serving them outside or in a tent will do too.. It takes a community to take care of a community as much as it takes a village to raise a kid... You dont need a flashy stage, power point and huge stage productions to do it.. Just, love and a willing heart...

reply to post by groingrinder



They will take canned goods.

Originally posted by Yissachar1

Consider this though, A church that provides food for the hungry,, and clothing for the poor, and shelter for the homeless, needs to keep the heat and lights on.

reply to post by Stormdancer777

 

That is what what offerings are for... but if people kept it simple, and concentrated on their community, then cooking a meals at home and serving them outside or in a tent will do too.. It takes a community to take care of a community as much as it takes a village to raise a kid... You dont need a flashy stage, power point and huge stage productions to do it.. Just, love and a willing heart...

I agree. 100%.

Christ message was a simple one, feed the hungry, cloth the naked, love one another.

The simple act of love would illuminate all the sins of the world.