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Originally posted by seethelight
reply to post by bsbray11

 

WTC7 DIDN'T FREE FALL.

So there you go.

Hmmmm, can you please post your definition of what a proper freefall is?
Because, according to 1000's of scientists and physicists, they state otherwise...

So, I'm just wondering how they're flat out wrong? All of them?
From what I've seen, conspiracy aside, I can't imagine any of the three buildings falling faster. In fact, I think if they fell any faster, they'd be defying the laws of physics.... But hey, jet fuel which has been over and over again proven to not have the capability to melt the WTC structures took both of them down, not to mention the WTC7.

Which also begs the question: What would it look like if planes never hit the towers, but went down according to a 'planned' demolition? I'm almost positive it would look JUST like the events of 9/11......
Maybe that's just an intuitional thingy.

Seeing an article like this in mainstream media is pretty impressive.

If there is a fear that a hidden truth could be revealed imagine what stunt they will have to pull off to move interest away from this? I shudder just thinking about it.

Originally posted by john124

If you actually passed that class, you could demonstrate it here.

Actually I have explained it before on other threads. The reponse I got was "lalalalalalalalalaaaa... I cannnn't hear you".

Oh, ok. So you can only demonstrate it once, and then from then on, even if you haven't talked with me about it at all, you're just going to whine and bitch about already explaining it somewhere else instead of just explaining yourself again. Gotcha. Real professional.

Hmmm, actually it is an ad-hominem attack, because you are making personal attacks.

Whether or not someone has had physics 101 is not a personal attack. If it hurts someone's pride to admit to themselves that they haven't had the education, or don't remember it, and they take it personally, that's their own ego and fault. You may interpret it as a personal attack if you want but the education of physics is still relevant.

Why do you guys still debate the details?

The truth is so painfully obvious...

Anomalies...
Contradictions...
Coincidences…
Multiple first time ever events…

How can you possibly rationalize this all away?

A logical person can’t.

The use of Ad Hominum, as in personal attack is improper use.

Originally posted by seethelight
going full speed.

Boeing 767:
Max. Cruise speed Mach 0.86 (493 knots, 568 mph, 913 km/h at 35,000 ft cruise altitude)
from en.wikipedia.org...

"The MIT analysis determined the first plane was traveling 429 mph, and the second 537 mph..."
from www.aerospaceweb.org...

SO as you can see neither plane was traveling at full speed
I wonder what else you say is bunk

This thread is rife with disinformation - to the point of pointlessness. I can' t help but wonder if a few of you aren't just 'agents' (laughing their asses off) posting back and forth to each other at adjoining desks.

The personal attacks are weaker than half the arguments. And the laughing emoticon face should be removed outright from this entire site - it doesn't do anything other than make the person using it look smug. I've never met a smug person that actually ended up being right.

Stick to the facts kids. Stop wasting each others time.

As for sticking to the topic - Science is based facts and not open to general interpretation. Physics on the level we are dealing with here is pretty much cut-and-dry. Three buildings collapsing in the same manner after only two strikes at (assumably) fairly random entry points on only two of the buildings should not produce the replication of results we observed across all three buildings. If there is a statistician among us, come forward and let us know the chance of three buildings chaotically collapsing into their footprint, especially buildings of the magnitude of the Trade Center buildings in question.

Regarding the planting of the CD explosives/devices - What COULDN'T an organization with pratically unlimited connections and resources accomplish?

[edit on 24-2-2010 by Apocryphague]

Originally posted by redgy
reply to post by daddio

 

have you even the right answer for your question,

here's something that all should read to find out these answers.
wtc.nist.gov...

Actually I have studied physics and have a 2 year degree in mechanical engineering. The point I was making was that for the buildings to "freefall" the core would have to be dropped first. Otherwise the mass of the building would not be able to compress as it did. Why don't people take a moment and use that thing called imagination. Imagine HOW much material there is in the building, ALL the floors that would need to be compressed, the elevator shafts, the structural make-up of the building itself and so on.

It is crazy to think that these buildings fell at all. And there is no way that it could have happened without assitance from some other source, i.e. planted explosives. The perps had the time and the ingenuity to accomplish this task. 1993 comes to mind, "Lets test the substructure to see exactly what we need to do here." Again, use your imagination and it is not hard to see how it was/could be pulled off.

We have seen and heard the testimony of the firefighters and first responders. We have seen many documentaries presented by intelligent people looking for answers, we see what TPTB have done since then and what they have tried to pass as "law". We have seen other buildings burn to a crisp and NOT FALL. So how can people still be so ignorant and come up with these lame arguements?

Oh and for the record, I WILL NEVER READ OR BELIEVE ANYTHING that TPTB or any "government" website claims. That is all BS for sure.

I could go on about the plane that crashed in the Rockaway section of Queens, where most of the firefighters, WHO TALKED, lived. Why would a plane, Costa Rican airliner if I remember correctly, crash on NOVEMBER 11 of the SAME YEAR, 2001? Huh, 2 months after the alleged terrorist attack. Could it have been to silence the firefighters and anyone else who may have inside info? Just a guess.

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Great comments, Star for you.

I agree with the agents thing to, they are either kids who know nothing and are looking for some fun or agents for TPTB trying to Red Herring us.

a good read too, for those interested...

whatreallyhappened.com...

[edit on 24-2-2010 by daddio]

Originally posted by ancient_wisdom

Originally posted by JIMC5499
Ok. So the impact of the planes and the resulting fires didn't cause the collapse. The previously planted bombs did. So answer me one question. The collapse started at the impact points. How did they know where the planes were going to hit in order to place their charges on those floors?

Israeli Mossad agents posing as art students had clearance in the towers

www.infowars.com...

As you can see, there were boxes set up which could have been explosives, the planes were radio controlled and so they were then directed at the exact location. www.youtube.com...

[edit on 24-2-2010 by ancient_wisdom]

I quoted the above comments in order to point something out. What you see above is a very common "truther" mistake.

"Truthers" you do not need to explain what MAY have happened. That is what makes "truthers" sound foolish. People can sit all day and speculate, let your imagination run wild, but that does not make it fact and 9 times out of 10 your current "theory" is flawed and sounds unreal. "Truthers" do not need to speculate and prove what may have happened. All you have to do is point out the easily disprovable version of the OS and continue to raise more questions. The "Truthers" goal is to get a new independent investigation. So the more questions that are raised, the more it proves a need for a new investigation.

For the believers of the OS.... I must say every time you ask a question of a "truther" you basically prove the "truthers" whole point.... the OS is incomplete and there are more questions that need to be answered.

So many people are caught up in what they think a "truther" believes, but the fact is it does not matter. The only thing the "truthers" are asking for is a new independent investigation because they feel that the OS does not address other questions. So you see, once a supporter of the OS ask a single question... you lose. You lose because if all the reports from NIST and the rest of the government were complete, you would already have an answer to your question.

Now myself... I am a "truther" what I believe happened on 9/11 makes no difference at all, because I can not prove it. I can show you what I feel is evidence, but that does not prove me right. However there are experts who can, and in my America I believe their voices should be heard. As Americans they have a right to be heard. Our Government is supposed to have a responsibility to it's citizens, and if our Government did, we would have a complete independent investigation in to the events of 9/11 and we would spare no expense to do it.

More money went towards the investigation of the Bill Clinton- Lewinski scandal, than was spent on investigating 9/11. That easily, undeniable point should stand out to anyone regardless of what they believe happened. As a public we were bombarded with more details of the Clinton-Lewinski love affair than what we know about 9-11. That's just not right and should be an indicator that a real investigation is warranted.

well if you read the report you would find that the inside sections were part of the cause.

An initial local failure at the lower floors (below floor 13) of the building due to fire and/or debris induced structural damage of a critical column (the initiating event), which supported a large span floor bay with an area of about 2,000 ft2;

Vertical progression of the initial local failure up to the east penthouse, as large floor bays were unable to redistribute the loads, bringing down the interior structure below the east penthouse; and

Horizontal progression of the failure across the lower floors (in the region of floors 5 and 7, that were much thicker than the rest of the floors), triggered by damage due to the vertical failure, resulting in disproportionate collapse of the entire structure.

Originally posted by ancient_wisdom

Originally posted by dereks

Originally posted by TrueAmerican
considering the gravity of all the evidence for CD

Just what evidence would that be exactly? Truthers keep claiming that there is evidence for CD, but so far have not showed any evidence for Cd at all.

yet came down in "pure free-fall acceleration.

overall, it did not -- that is just a lie truthers push.

"mid-air pulverization of 90,000 tons of concrete & metal decking."

except again there is zero evidence 90,000 tons of concrete and metal decking being pulverised...


[edit on 24/2/10 by dereks]

actually dereks, it is a lie the deniers are claiming that the building did not fall at free fall speed. It did. Why don't you check out the NIST report on building 7. After trying to prove it did not fall at free fall speed, they were left with no choice but to admit that IT DID. Which is why before the truthers said the building fell at "near" free fall speed, and the deniers called this a lie, but it was not a lie, so now they rightly word it as PURE free fall speed. And as for evidence of controlled demolition, I'm guessing you did not read the scientific paper on nano thermite because it was in some journal you never heard before, however, that does not make it any less SCIENTIFIC.

[edit on 24-2-2010 by ancient_wisdom]

Okay, so lets look at it this way. You shoot a pea at the speed of sound, and it hits an object, no matter what the size of the object, the pea would utterly obliterate and topple (note: topple, not free fall or collapse vertically)this object. Being this plane even accelerated before hitting the tower, hitting something at that speed should've taken the building down immediately, or at least a majority of the top. So point in case: Why did the building not only spew smoke from the bottom, but collapse similar to a classic demolition collapse?

I fail to understand why on earth we are still having these 12 to 20 page threads covering the same old, same old.

Do I support the OS?...no!. Do I need threads like this to convince me one way or another as to what happened that day? No!

Why? because I am a logical self thinking being. people need to get up of their butts and do something about the murders that took place on 9/11, not waste their time debating with almost certain infiltrators who derail and support the murderers.

One last bit of evidence, that for me sums up all that was that dreaded day and its this.

The BBC telling me that wtc7 had collapsed while it was still standing.
Thats a fact, you cant derail it and it sums up all that was 9/11.


Respects

Originally posted by TheReaver
Okay, so lets look at it this way. You shoot a pea at the speed of sound, and it hits an object, no matter what the size of the object, the pea would utterly obliterate and topple (note: topple, not free fall or collapse vertically)this object.

(bolding by me)

This is not quite true and a common misconception that has a lot of OS supporters confused.

When two objects collide the force on each object is EQUAL, regardless of velocity. Velocity changes the force acting on BOTH objects, not just the object being hit.

This is Newtons 3rd law of motion...

...when one object applies a force on a second object, the second object applies a force on the first that has an equal magnitude but opposite direction. In other words, when you kick the wall, the wall kicks you back with equal force. As a result you will get hurt. These forces are called action-reaction forces...

library.thinkquest.org...

So your pea can go any speed it wants but if it hits an object with more mass then your pea will still be the object receiving the MOST damage, e.g. If the pea hit a steel wall, the pea will not effect the steel wall no matter how fast it is moving, the pea will always lose.

Imagine a fly hitting your cars windshield, do you think you could ever make a fly break the glass? Or will the fly always just go splat, no matter how fast you are driving?

End of community service transmission

Why does every single post on 911 always end up being the same debate over and over again? It's a waist of energy!

There are those that believe and those that don't, that may never change. The coming trial for Khalid Shaikh Mohammed might just end the debate. The defense is going to use all the evidence of the truther movement to prove his innocence. This is going to be quite a show! If they can cast enough doubt on the so called congressional investigation, they will have no choice but to open up another investigation. There is much more scientific evidence that has come to the surface since the initial investigation and it is going to be presented at the trial. Sit back folks and enjoy the show!

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Here's a new video about NIST's report on building 7 etc




911 is only the tip of the mountain though, when 911 falls apart, the public/media will look into the anthrax attacks, JFK, MLK, Gulf of Tonkin etc etc

[edit on 24-2-2010 by conar]

reply to post by ANOK


The problem with your analogy is it is treating a building as singularity. It isn't a monolith. It is a collection of interdependent objects all with their own mass and with associated masses. The building does not act as a unit.

Shoot a bullet at my house and the bullet still penetrates and does various levels of damage that's because the building doesn't care that our language defines it as a single thing, "a house". Newton says the bullet only cares about the thing it is making contact with directly, not how we view that thing's place in a collection of other things.

reply to post by captiva


I Agree, but proving the conspiracy theories true is the only way this man won't die! He was most likely involved no doubt, but to what degree? It's going to be interesting to see what comes out.

Originally posted by Jezus
Why do you guys still debate the details?

The truth is so painfully obvious...

Anomalies...
Contradictions...
Coincidences…
Multiple first time ever events…

How can you possibly rationalize this all away?

A logical person can’t.

Hi Jz,
What you say is all very true, yet no betting man has come forward to reckon the odds of all that happened within 9/11 actually happening. What I fail to understand is the dogmatic stance taken by people who believe the OS version ie, 9/11 commission and NIST, both having been somewhat tainted by, irregularities in the case of the commission, and by forced corrections in the case of the NIST. The same is true when pictures of steel columns cut at an angle are paraded as being evidence of Thermite. There were columns still standing and obviously they would have to be cut down, so no joy there. There are videos of the collapses however, and these should be mulled over ad infinitum. This link is to a David Chandler piece, (he's the high school teacher who forced the NIST to rearrange their cartoon of WT7) it's a video of the South Tower collapse and maybe you have seen it before, but it has to be contemplated by all.

www.youtube.com...

[edit on 24-2-2010 by smurfy]

Originally posted by Guzzeppi
Why does every single post on 911 always end up being the same debate over and over again? It's a waist of energy!

There are those that believe and those that don't, that may never change. The coming trial for Khalid Shaikh Mohammed might just end the debate. The defense is going to use all the evidence of the truther movement to prove his innocence. This is going to be quite a show! If they can cast enough doubt on the so called congressional investigation, they will have no choice but to open up another investigation. There is much more scientific evidence that has come to the surface since the initial investigation and it is going to be presented at the trial. Sit back folks and enjoy the show!

[edit on 24-2-2010 by Guzzeppi]


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Oh, but only if that were true! I would love it! But its not going to happen. But just out of curiosity, if you were consulting the defense - where would you tell him to begin?

I would think the first order of business would be to take all the hijackers out of the picture - that's what connects KSM to 9/11 directly. How do you go about doing that?