Man Jailed For Cartoons Of Children

reply to post by hotbakedtater


Sure I can. First off I sid nothing of 'my child' and since that information is of zero relevance here we wont even reference ones possesion of offspring...alright? Well actually your assumption that I have a child is a mistake I may be able to use. If I did have a child and I found out that my grandmother liked looking at artist renditions of underage sex wether it be in comics or anywhere else, I would never want her to look at any child again.
What I cant prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, I can do nothing about.(this is referring to your ridiculous grocery store analogy)
Yet when its in black and white and someone has an admitted 'hobby' that contains sexually charged material involving children. Just my opinion...those people dont deseve to house anything in thier occular sockets any longer.

reply to post by psyko45


If you knew a person whom loved watching senseless violence in movies and played violent video games, would you be comfortable around him/her handling a gun?

Explain your answer in haiku

reply to post by SaturnFX


Brilliant flashes of light
moisture in the air
The wettness of the saber
Dried upon re-entry to the scabbard
The young ones eyes meet the old ones
In gratitude and comfort
Maybe the next time
I can help daddy.

Maybe not haiku. Even so your gun question is pretty open ended..I suppose if the watcher of said material had no other knowledge or training with firearms besides video games and tv I wouldnt be comfortable until I passed on proper training and was satisfied with thier competency.

[edit on 14-2-2010 by psyko45]

Originally posted by psyko45
reply to post by silo13

 

I wish could have put it as well as you. As I am in total agreement, If I may add an answer to the mystery as to wether or not this person should be in jail...I say yes and while were at it we find the artist and lock them up as well. I personally dont like the idea of any child being used as a sexual muse. At the very least we should blind these people. Now that they have exposed thier perversion they should not be able to lay thier eyes upon another child.

I guess you should also be in jail for looking at yourself in the mirror right?
like i said all these art forms are nothing more then human self expression of the nude body, besides there was no victim in the manga.

child being used as a sexual muse.

oh really what about books? there are thoughts aswell, i mean who cant forget waterworld film eh?


So what your saying all people, even if there teens or adults looking at loli or yaoi or whatever you call it, you want to be locked up? you sir have no respect for our freedom of rights.


Its art, if you dont like dont look at, speaking of which may i post something?

3.bp.blogspot.com...:frog+statue.jpg

I guess stautes of nude childern with animals is also a crime, isnt that what your saying?


I respect all forms of art doesn't matter what they are.
Sorry but most our members dont share you opinon since what your saying we all should be in jail, isn't that right?


The reply was meant to be for psyko45



[edit on 14-2-2010 by Agent_USA_Supporter]

[edit on 14-2-2010 by Agent_USA_Supporter]

reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter


Your fervor for freedom and rights are shared by me.
I dont believe it a crime to have these images cross ones path. Yet to continue to view for pleasure is wrong. As well as it is your responsibility to protect the children. From both seen and unseen adversary. Are your eyes the only sense you have? Whatever the language we as humans all have the same general knowledge, some have tactically sacrificed more than others and are at different stages of life. With every loss comes a scar and further disillusionment as well as a tolerance for the putrid.

Originally posted by psyko45
reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter

 

Your fervor for freedom and rights are shared by me.
I dont believe it a crime to have these images cross ones path. Yet to continue to view for pleasure is wrong. As well as it is your responsibility to protect the children. From both seen and unseen adversary. Are your eyes the only sense you have? Whatever the language we as humans all have the same general knowledge, some have tactically sacrificed more than others and are at different stages of life. With every loss comes a scar and further disillusionment as well as a tolerance for the putrid.

May i counter by saying this, sorry, but i your views aren't shared by many members if some view it for pleasure why not? thats freedom as well, in which i may add people will start a revolution over this, not just this but other things,

listen the world we live right now, is not the world you believe we want to live, we are our world are going through a crisis which might take years to heal.

it is your responsibility to protect the children.

Since when? sorry but its the job of the parent, not us if i have kids i would protect until there teens, and also you remind me of the

(THINK OF THE CHILDREN Group)

Yet to continue to view for pleasure is wrong

same with the statues been made to show of our human bodies nude?
or what about playboy Magazine? shouldn't we stop viewing for pleasure aswell?

[edit on 14-2-2010 by Agent_USA_Supporter]

Originally posted by silo13
reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984

 

This isn't a question of rape or murder, please don't ask me to mix apples and oranges.

Allowing children to be used for sexual gratification in any form, or condoning it in any way is the one greatest offense mankind can perpetuate against it's own species.

The fact that it's the very innocence of children that feeds the perversion, CHILDREN, and you even have to ask?

Some basics in life you just shouldn't have to explain, they should be a given.

This is one of them.

Peace

[edit on 14-2-2010 by silo13]

I understand your sentiment. I have a child myself, an amazing little boy. If i found out anyone had ever sexually violated him, male or female, i would probably torture them. I would go to jail for my revenge too. Flat out nothing is more sacred to me than the life and safety of a child.

That said i have a deep understanding of sexual fetishes. Growing up the way i did i developed a slew of fetishes (most of which i will not mention because well, they are pretty nasty) so i can understand why these sick people are not able to be attracted to things besides children. They are either mentally sick or so stuck in their habits that nothing else gets them off.

With that understanding in mind, I would rather some guy gets off to drawings of cartoon children then actually viewing real live child-porn that harms actual children.

What is all this love with pedophilia and its paraphernalia?
Why should it be such a big issue that deserves a whole thread about it.

In fact labeling the portray of children nudity when it's used as a means to convey sexually explicit messages to the viewer as illegal could contribute to the fight against children abuse in many different ways.
I don't know what Japan is doing, and I don't care. They got a different culture and different measures to compensate for this, they can deal with it without of it getting of hand, the rest of the people and especially populace of developing countries simply can't.

If such content as the content labeled above is being considered illegal then this can serve as a means for the law authorities to trace the volumes of this kind of traffic respectively and identify possible future trends of real pedophilia before they emerge anywhere in the Globe.

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Artists here in Australia are too scared now to feature children in anything they do after the Bill Henson affair.

I guess this guy could have tried to prove they had one of these things “serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.”

Not the type of thing I find artistic but at the end of the day I'd prefer him looking at cartoons than real pics. Doesn't make it right off course.

Incidently Lolicon (as its known) is straight out illegal In Australia and many other countries as well and after this precedent you can add the USA to a growing list.

simple points here

there is no victim

morality and taste should not be legislated

keep the government out of your/my/our minds

reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter


I suppose the only thing I feel right now is pity. Pity that your failure to realize and enbrace common sense will probably lead to some sort of victim weather it be a child or an adult. A s you are no doubt human. I dont imagine I have access to the type of AI that it would take to entertain this whole process. So Im guessing you ARE human.
I have continued to respond thus far out of curteousy.
I believe that my origional response was to an individual poster and not an invitation to the perverbeal peanut gallery.

reply to post by SaturnFX


We can't keep governments out of this.
We don't like to be responsible for policing our own society because we don't care so we appointed them to do it for us.
Some freedoms might fall victims but if it's for the general balance of the system and prevents greater evils, we shouldn't be having problems unless we like to push certain agendas, generally malicious ones.
We can't have everything, we simply can't.
Morality or the lack of usually SHOULD be legislated if our education quality sucks. Another good incentive for us to strive for quality of education. We can be more free to express ourselves as an alternative. Just give people a reason to do or not to do something.

You can't expect people to self legislate everything by themselves. People usually are just a senseless mob. Though giving them enough reasons, would make them work towards betterment.

Don't give people enough rope to hang themselves, give them reasons not to.

[edit on 14-2-2010 by spacebot]

I can see members hiding behind the freedom of speech....and other freedoms to explain why it is okay to view children...whether it be cartoon or real in a sexual manner. To those of you who pretend to not to see why it is wrong..(I sincerely believe that at some point in your lives you have viewed a child as a sexual object)...how can you in any way justify viewing sexually graphic cartoons of children as ok. You say that no child has been harmed...but can you honestly say that no child ever has not been harmed due to these sick fantasies...which sound like they would start out in cartoons and then progress. People who view xxx cartoons also view real xxx...so it goes to say that these people who view cartoon child porn also view the real thing....but I am guessing all those saying it is ok would know more about that than me.

For those saying that movies and games that are violent should also be banned...are idiots. Fantasies of children as sex objects is not in any way ok...you want to protect the pedophiles rights...then have fun...I think you may be trying to protect you own kind.

It is a sad time when members of ATS...would stand up for the rights of pedophiles.....know wonder I rarely post on here.

[edit on 14-2-2010 by kerazeesicko]

Originally posted by psyko45
reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter

 

I suppose the only thing I feel right now is pity. Pity that your failure to realize and enbrace common sense will probably lead to some sort of victim weather it be a child or an adult. A s you are no doubt human. I dont imagine I have access to the type of AI that it would take to entertain this whole process. So Im guessing you ARE human.
I have continued to respond thus far out of curteousy.
I believe that my origional response was to an individual poster and not an invitation to the perverbeal peanut gallery.

You do know what is fiction right?
You do you know what is fiction art?


i said respect freedom in everyform, which include pleasure,

i agree that if there was a real child in it i would be outraged, but since its art i dont mind it, in fact i find it funny, if you got a problem with that?

dont look at the art then.

I think it's wrong even if it is a cartoon.

But if this guy goes to jail because of it, so should the executives of Disney. They do far worse.

Just a quick point.

Family guy had a joke about priests molesting children.

Should Family Guy be banned?

Then right after that, Venture Brothers had a thing about a crazy super hero molesting children.

Should that show be banned as well?

Where do you draw the line?

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter

Originally posted by psyko45
reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter

 

I suppose the only thing I feel right now is pity. Pity that your failure to realize and enbrace common sense will probably lead to some sort of victim weather it be a child or an adult. A s you are no doubt human. I dont imagine I have access to the type of AI that it would take to entertain this whole process. So Im guessing you ARE human.
I have continued to respond thus far out of curteousy.
I believe that my origional response was to an individual poster and not an invitation to the perverbeal peanut gallery.

You do know what is fiction right?
You do you know what is fiction art?


i said respect freedom in everyform, which include pleasure,

i agree that if there was a real child in it i would be outraged, but since its art i dont mind it, in fact i find it funny, if you got a problem with that?

dont look at the art then.

Hmmm protect the right to fantasize about children as sex objects...ummm hell no! As for looking at something like that and calling it art...well let's just say it says a lot about you. In the end it doesn't matter...hopefully the guards of the jail won't be forced to protect him and he will get what he deserves. Say what you want about criminals...but at least they know how to deal with this issue. Interesting that the scum of society have better morals than you protecters of the pedophiles freedoms.

Originally posted by thatguy1
Just a quick point.

Family guy had a joke about priests molesting children.

Should Family Guy be banned?

Then right after that, Venture Brothers had a thing about a crazy super hero molesting children.

Should that show be banned as well?

Where do you draw the line?

Family guy and South park should be banned. They both treat this subject like it is a joke. Plus....those types of shows are for the idiots of society.

Originally posted by kerazeesicko

Originally posted by thatguy1
Just a quick point.

Family guy had a joke about priests molesting children.

Should Family Guy be banned?

Then right after that, Venture Brothers had a thing about a crazy super hero molesting children.

Should that show be banned as well?

Where do you draw the line?

Family guy and South park should be banned. They both treat this subject like it is a joke. Plus....those types of shows are for the idiots of society.

So you support the thought police hmm? Whoever doesn't agree with your world view should be silenced? Very open minded of you.

Lol- he had a ton of lolicon. It's illegal in the U.S.

While it doesn't 'hurt' real children directly, and regardless if anyone agrees/disagrees with it- this guy violated, in a big way, U.S. laws.

Sorry, what was your point OP?