Man Jailed For Cartoons Of Children

I guess kerazeesicko supports the new thought police, well any in case, can a mod lock this thread? its going no where.

reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter


Answer to the first question.
Fiction is the opposite of truth.
Second question
Fiction art would be like me writing a story about a guy who becomes lost in a sea of desperation due to the overwhelming amount of walking vomit he encountered on a daily basis.

But I will take your advice as to not looking at yOUR art.

reply to post by thatguy1


No, in fact Family Guy should be commended.
If Church can't help priests keeping their wands in their pants especially where children are concerned I don't know what can. It's not Family Guy's fault for condemning this.
Church can always decide to not tolerate pedophiles in their ranks

if i have to be either hot or cold on this issue;

ill start with hot first; sharia type laws that persecute the sexuality of women and men should be standard. as expressions of sexuality degrades culture leading to artistic representation of sex within genres deemed taboo.

if i have to be cold about it; the people who are persecuting this person is just upset he can still have functioning sexual energies without the need for a "victim" thus his crime is the crime being pressed on him.

hentai is better than some porn; and porn should not be the bar that sexuality is measured upon.

Originally posted by thatguy1


So you support the thought police hmm? Whoever doesn't agree with your world view should be silenced? Very open minded of you.

There some things in this world that should in know way be made fun of. As for family guy and south park.....I just find those show to idiotic...ban them for idiocy..never happen...but I can dream.but those episodes should have been banned as well as any episodes that of any show that treat this subject lightly. It's not only about poor taste..it's about common sense. There are idiots out there that will find out someone is being molested but since thier idiots and most likely watch family guy and south park...will think it's not that bad..since thier favourite shows treat it like a joke. I know it is stupid to say that...but nothing about people would surprise me.

Originally posted by Ausar


if i have to be cold about it; the people who are persecuting this person is just upset he can still have functioning sexual energies without the need for a "victim" thus his crime is the crime being pressed on him.

hentai is better than some porn; and porn should not be the bar that sexuality is measured upon.

I doubt this guy never had a victim..logic says that if he fantasizes about it then he either acted on it or would in the future.

"the people who are persecuting this person is just upset he can still have functioning sexual energies without the need for a "victim" thus his crime is the crime being pressed on him.

This is funny..yep you got us..that is why we are angry

Regular hentai...is okay...as for the hentai porn..never saw it...if I am gonna view porn the real thing would be better...but even better is actual sex with a real person

Originally posted by kerazeesicko

Originally posted by thatguy1


So you support the thought police hmm? Whoever doesn't agree with your world view should be silenced? Very open minded of you.

There some things in this world that should in know way be made fun of. As for family guy and south park.....I just find those show to idiotic...ban them for idiocy..never happen...but I can dream.but those episodes should have been banned as well as any episodes that of any show that treat this subject lightly. It's not only about poor taste..it's about common sense. There are idiots out there that will find out someone is being molested but since thier idiots and most likely watch family guy and south park...will think it's not that bad..since thier favourite shows treat it like a joke. I know it is stupid to say that...but nothing about people would surprise me.

Are you serious? First of all you're saying the shows are idiotic, because they bring a serious issue to the attention of the masses, without making people cry about it? I was just using them as an example.

There are hundreds of forms of entertainment that in some way, shape, or form bring issues such as this to the forefront. Should Law and order SVU be banned from TV because it talks about child rape/molestation?

Once again I ask you, where do you draw the line? No one in this thread has supported child rape/molestation in any form. Where do you justify you saying that these things should be banned.

Like someone else said, show me the victim and I will call it a crime.

Originally posted by kerazeesicko

Originally posted by Ausar


if i have to be cold about it; the people who are persecuting this person is just upset he can still have functioning sexual energies without the need for a "victim" thus his crime is the crime being pressed on him.

hentai is better than some porn; and porn should not be the bar that sexuality is measured upon.

I doubt this guy never had a victim..logic says that if he fantasizes about it then he either acted on it or would in the future.

"the people who are persecuting this person is just upset he can still have functioning sexual energies without the need for a "victim" thus his crime is the crime being pressed on him.

This is funny

..yep you got us..that is why we are angry

Regular hentai...is okay...as for the hentai porn..never saw it...if I am gonna view porn the real thing would be better...but even better is actual sex with a real person

Wow, your logic is riddled with so many holes it's not even funny.

"I doubt this guy never had a victim..logic says that if he fantasizes about it then he either acted on it or would in the future." Where is your evidence of this? I have played countless games involving cold blooded murder, war, assassinations, fantasies, swordfighting, martial arts, puzzle games. By your logic there is a high chance I have done most of these things at some point in time simply because I have at one point or another enjoyed a form of entertainment portraying it.

Give me a break.

"Regular hentai...is okay...as for the hentai porn..never saw it"

Hentai IS porn, hentai is basically animated sexual activities, from japanese artists.

reply to post by Ausar


If I may ask a question concerning your cold response.
Is one to understand that a person in the courts may be corrupt? Possibly even engaged or is engaging, in these acts in a non-fantasy fashion and this is a way to further hide thier actions. Definitely possible and unfortunately probable. As only time and human decay will cure these things.

Yet this theory suggests that you condone or fantazise yourself over these images.

i am an adult. i admit enjoying things of an adult nature. Thats one of the pleasureable things about being an adult. And I would also admit that adult oriented pleasure makes it hard for me to stay mentally manogomous.
So that would go to say that if i enjoyed looking at or participating in sexual fantasy with children as the subject that I would truly have a desire for that and the possibility for me to victimize a child would be greater than a solely adult fantasy.

Your responses were intriguing and thought provoking

if my quote is taken in someones elses context it can be construed in any manner a person wants; thats called illegal: but the news media calls it spin.
since you feel fine with your position i am to assume you want all the little girls for yourself and he is a patsy; that is a spin on your quote: im sure it is related to your quote but by me admission it is most likely out of context, WItH YOUR HUMOR.

i stand by my prior post.

if i am to be cold on the issue; he did not enter what you have defined as a person into victimhood.

Originally posted by spacebot
What is all this love with pedophilia and its paraphernalia?
Why should it be such a big issue that deserves a whole thread about it.

I don't think anyone here is loving peadophilia or peadophiles (at least i hope not). Many are simply saying that because there was no victim then the guy did no harm and therefore should not be imprisoned. A guy being imprisoned for commiting a victimless crime deserves a thread, whether it's about peadophilia or any other victimless crime.

Originally posted by kerazeesicko
I can see members hiding behind the freedom of speech....and other freedoms to explain why it is okay to view children...whether it be cartoon or real in a sexual manner. To those of you who pretend to not to see why it is wrong..(I sincerely believe that at some point in your lives you have viewed a child as a sexual object)...how can you in any way justify viewing sexually graphic cartoons of children as ok. You say that no child has been harmed...but can you honestly say that no child ever has not been harmed due to these sick fantasies...which sound like they would start out in cartoons and then progress. People who view xxx cartoons also view real xxx...so it goes to say that these people who view cartoon child porn also view the real thing....but I am guessing all those saying it is ok would know more about that than me.

For those saying that movies and games that are violent should also be banned...are idiots. Fantasies of children as sex objects is not in any way ok...you want to protect the pedophiles rights...then have fun...I think you may be trying to protect you own kind.

It is a sad time when members of ATS...would stand up for the rights of pedophiles.....know wonder I rarely post on here.

Wow you just called everyone who defended this under the guise of fre speech a peadophile..............that is surely against the T&C. No one here is defending paedophiles.

I expect nothing less though from people who have no logical argument to advance, just insults and insinuations. So lets cover it again shall we. This stuff is disgusting, the guy is a creep and i wouldn't allow him near children. However i also understand that he has not hurt anyone by having these images and therefore should not be prosecuted. Now if they had found images of real children i would have supported a life sentence, meaning life, die in prison.

I will stand up for the right of anyone who has not hurt someone else. The guy hasn't hurt anyone don't you get that? It's like the simple fact that many people have deeply violent thoughts in their heads, in fact most people at some point in their life will have violent flashes when a boss screams at them for example but they control themselves. Now should they also be done for thought crime?

Try and put your emotions aside because they don't really allow you to be objective.

[edit on 15-2-2010 by ImaginaryReality1984]

reply to post by thatguy1


I take those shows as a way to raise awareness. I know that may sound wierd. But those cartoons arent in any way trying to provoke sexual desire for children. Those shows are ingenious because they have come up with a politically correct way to call out these scumbags in front of a large audience.

Great point

Originally posted by psyko45
reply to post by thatguy1

 

I take those shows as a way to raise awareness. I know that may sound wierd. But those cartoons arent in any way trying to provoke sexual desire for children. Those shows are ingenious because they have come up with a politically correct way to call out these scumbags in front of a large audience.

Great point

Thank you, that was my point.

Originally posted by thatguy1


Wow, your logic is riddled with so many holes it's not even funny.

"I doubt this guy never had a victim..logic says that if he fantasizes about it then he either acted on it or would in the future." Where is your evidence of this? I have played countless games involving cold blooded murder, war, assassinations, fantasies, swordfighting, martial arts, puzzle games. By your logic there is a high chance I have done most of these things at some point in time simply because I have at one point or another enjoyed a form of entertainment portraying it.

Give me a break.

"Regular hentai...is okay...as for the hentai porn..never saw it"

Hentai IS porn, hentai is basically animated sexual activities, from japanese artists.

Sorry not a big cartoon watcher as I am normal adult and have left those things behind me.....so if I am not up to date on the new cartoon terms...oops...guess I shoud just say japanese cartoons...saw glimpses of them and they seemed ok.

As for the violent games...do you regularly fantasize about killing another person? I am guessing not..it is just a form of entertainment for you...albeit a neanderthal one but still you seem to know what would be right or wrong...basically a normal adult. An individual who would view this kind of garbage (cartoon porn involving children) not normal so would fantasize about abusing children and would most definitley act out on it. Maybe those of you talk about those idiotic shows..and comparing them to other shows like law and order....should know better...one makes fun of a very serious subject...the other deals with the ramifications of the subject both for the guilty and victim.

As for my proof of him doing this or planning on doing this...well I have none. It is just common sense that he would act out on his sick fantasies...normal people can shoot the little made up man on the screen ..ie video games..and know it is fake...messed up people play the same game...and act it out in real life because they live in a fantasy world. Should they (violent games/movies)be banned...maybe but I would hate to see them be ..as I like a good action movie. We would have two types of people viewing violent games/movies...now where would the normal half of people be in the cartoon version of child molestation; could you honestly state that there are normal people who would view that material?

[edit on 15-2-2010 by kerazeesicko]

So if you girlfriend dressed up as say a Catholic school girl or you watched porn where the girl was dressed that way doesn't that fall into some posters logic about this being damaging to children? This seems silly to me.

Originally posted by kerazeesicko
An individual who would view this kind of garbage (cartoon porn involving children) not normal so would fantasize about abusing children and would most definitley act out on it.

You have zero evidence of this and the police have investigated him and found nothing. Experts also seem to agree that there may very well be a great deal of paedophiles out there who do not act upon their thoughts. Maybe this man was one of those people and used the cartoons to stop him hurting real children or using real child pornography.

As i said earlier if someone uses this instead of the real stuff then surely it should be allowed for that raeson alone! It coudl save real children.

Originally posted by kerazeesicko
As for my proof of him doing this or planning on doing this...well I have none. It is just common sense that he would act out on his sick fantasies...

Oh so we're convicting people on common sense now?

I swear some members of ATs just abandon all thoughts of free speech and freedom of expression when it's something they find disgusting.

Originally posted by kerazeesicko

Sorry not a big cartoon watcher as I am normal adult and have left those things behind me.....so if I am not up to date on the new cartoon terms...oops...guess I shoud just say japanese cartoons...saw glimpses of them and they seemed ok.

As for the violent games...do you regularly fantasize about killing another person? I am guessing not..it is just a form of entertainment for you...albeit a neanderthal one but still you seem to know what would be right or wrong...basically a normal adult. An individual who would view this kind of garbage (cartoon porn involving children) not normal so would fantasize about abusing children and would most definitley act out on it. Maybe those of you talk about those idiotic shows..and comparing them to other shows like law and order....should know better...one makes fun of a very serious subject...the other deals with the ramifications of the subject both for the guilty and victim.

As for my proof of him doing this or planning on doing this...well I have none. It is just common sense that he would act out on his sick fantasies...normal people can shoot the little made up man on the screen ..ie video games..and know it is fake...messed up people play the same game...and act it out in real life because they live in a fantasy world. Should they be banned...maybe but I would hate to see them be ..as I like a good action movie. We would have two types of people viewing violent games/movies...now where would the normal half of people be in the cartoon version of child molestation; could you honestly state that there are normal people who would view that material?

Personal attacks will not lend to your credibility much. As stupid as it sounds, most hentai manga in general have complex storylines. I know a dozen or so females that most people would consider "normal" and are straight that read "yaoi" (which is japanese manga, with man on man sexual acts), because they think the storylines are so "sweet".

The point I'm trying to make, is you can make whatever assumption you want about this guys sanity, but the fact remains that he has harmed NO ONE. He has committed no real crime.

You have stated directly and indirectly several times that you think that thought crimes are legitimate. We disagree on several levels.

Originally posted by drock905
So if you girlfriend dressed up as say a Catholic school girl or you watched porn where the girl was dressed that way doesn't that fall into some posters logic about this being damaging to children? This seems silly to me.

Umm that would most likely have two consenting adults participating. The cartoon version of children having sex or whatever it is they are doing...is most likely a fantasy of the act of molesting a child. I think most adults would have a problem if thier mate told them to dress like a school girl and then pretend they are molesting them.

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984


I don't think anyone here is loving peadophilia or peadophiles (at least i hope not). Many are simply saying that because there was no victim then the guy did no harm and therefore should not be imprisoned. A guy being imprisoned for commiting a victimless crime deserves a thread, whether it's about peadophilia or any other victimless crime.

What he is being charged with is a thought crime, not a crime of action where there are actors. It's chilling that there are those that are ok with this person being charged with a thought crime. There are things that I personally think should bring extended jail time, but what I personally believe is of no importance to the greater whole populace at large. There are three ways to handle things.... your way, my way, and the right way. This is not the right way.

Originally posted by kerazeesicko

Originally posted by drock905
So if you girlfriend dressed up as say a Catholic school girl or you watched porn where the girl was dressed that way doesn't that fall into some posters logic about this being damaging to children? This seems silly to me.

Umm that would most likely have two consenting adults participating. The cartoon version of children having sex or whatever it is they are doing...is most likely a fantasy of the act of molesting a child. I think most adults would have a problem if thier mate told them to dress like a school girl and then pretend they are molesting them.

Seriously? But the thought molesting a child is so disgusting isn't it? The intention behind the act is clearly so horrendous that people who have acted out this fantasy would surely do the same to children, right?

Changing your logic isn't lending much to your argument either.