Man Jailed For Cartoons Of Children

reply to post by Xagathorn
what's your point?

Originally posted by Stewie
Bad laws can be far worse than bad people.
I can be jailed for what I draw.
I can be JAILED for what I draw.
I can be jailed for what I DRAW!!!

I can be jailed for what I DRAW!

You have really put this into perspective. Anyone drawing such matter may be disturbed but it is just a drawing. As personal as a thought because it is a thought.

No matter how repugnant a thought cannot be a crime if we are to have any chance to be free men and women.

If we do not draw the line (pun sort of intended) the system will not stop until we are all without personal rights to privacy including our own thoughts.

We need a better system.

Originally posted by wylekat
Ok, if this guy can be jailed for having this stuff- what about the song icons that sell sex and drugs in the form of music and music videos to kids? What about people who wear offensive tshirts that blatantly advertise sex and other decorations on their person, car, ect, where a kid sees it and learns stuff no kid should. How about that? Is THAT ok? How about people who wear bathing suits that leave absolutely NOTHING to the imagination? And dont give me 'the parents are responsible' Parents canNOT protect their kids from this stuff leaking out of everywhere 24/7.


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You see, I agree that the parents can not protect their kids from that stuff, however the parents can teach their kids right from wrong. They can teach their kids not to repeat every word or action they hear or see on the street. They can teach their kids to stay away from strangers. There are a lot of things that many parents don't want to own up to, instead they'd rather make everyone else change just because they don't know how to teach their kid.

Man Jailed For Cartoons Of Children

This is strange, to punish another for being who 'they' are at the moment though 'not' acting on the impulse whereby 'harming' a child. I can understand the reasoning behind publishing it; in order to possibly avoid the actual act itself though for some, having it so freely available on the internet, might actually encourage it or 'prompt' something in another they have attempted to ignore? The Act of filming a child negatively affects the development of the child and therefor violates human natural law which Is and always has been.

I'm glad I don't find children 'attractive' in a sexual sense. It's just sick to want to 'take' something from one too young to have a voice or 'reason' in the matter. Kids are often encouraged to trust adults at a young age. They take advice from their parent/guardian, as they rely on them as a source for truth in a world where it is rarely found, or practiced.

The Golden Rule makes sense because it is. Harm another, you ultimately harm yourself and society. You are all Of the same world, same pot though not the one you ____ In! One has a choice to listen and act on one's conscience. It's there for a Reason. It 'should' be acknowledged, then used.

Since the 'Act' of filming children in compromising positions 'harms' the development of the child, as more than 95% of the public, I'm sure would agree, it is a rare example of what the 'people' by popular vote should all agree to Censor.....as much as I despise the word.

On the other hand, I don't believe one should be arrested for accidentally landing on one site or another whether by deception or on purpose. Some go to all kinds of sites to 'learn' the ways of others, for various reasons. The human being Is a curious being. There is no denying that, though we are responsible for our Actions. There is a big difference.

Unfortunately, I believe that this topic will be 'used' as a means to censor the internet all together. A legal precedent is often used as a ladder for another precedent, and then another, unto the purpose of a law is diluted via statute as it is today. The founders would not believe their eyes if they were to witness today, what they forewarned 'could' happen. They would hold their heads low, out of respect for those who gave their lives defending principles they held in their heart and minds to be true. Man's 'potential' for enlightenment itself from a 'higher' authority, regardless of what name one chooses to ascribe to the entity.

Many child predators, from what I've read here and there, never knew one personally, were victims themselves and are unfortunately more apt to repeat that which they suffered themselves. These people should be encouraged to seek counseling. Family and freinds, when given the opportunity to help the other, should, when given a chance. If not, carelessness often has an unintended consequence. A thought once acted on, can never be retrieved. Only understood and corrected.

It really does take a village to raise a child. Everyone has 'something' positive to offer a child on their way. Today, the family has unit has been divided and conquered for command and control purposes. I often find this amazing that Billions of human beings could be influenced to deny and ignore the conscience.

Never take from another that which the other is not freewilled to give. I 'know' this to be true and find it amazing others don't follow their conscience on this basic truth.


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Originally posted by Xagathorn
It doesnt matter if children were really hurt or anything at all.. the view is viewed by sick people and the idea still goes into the head. its the same idea of watching a cartoon where they curse every other word.. if you have small kids would you let them watch southpark? same idea it effects people in a negative way and simpler put.. its friggen WRONG!!!

By those comments you sound like a friggen christian no offence but have you seen the bad things on TV?


I mean all these TV series and so called new movies, boy they sure are showing people on how to kill or commit crimes beyond then just thought, they are what i view them as simulation of (I want to do it) thoughts


the only TV series i enjoy with my family are those from 1950s since they have some truths in them

.. its friggen WRONG

WRONG? Says who you?

Its freedom of self expression of the human body in those manga art cartoons that you view that are so bad like the nude beach (oh noss maybe they should shut down all the nude beaches because kids are there to aswell

Buddie listen sooner or later people will fight for such freedoms, because right now we have no freedom at all.


Our freedoms slowly are been taken away by these power monsters
people will fight, for every rights, not just in america but everywhere.


One last thing what was this idiotic law again?
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When I was a kid, I used to draw stick figure army men on paper (we were too poor to afford the green army men back then...whatever, life sucks at times)...anyhow, would have these fictional battles, would draw em blowing up, etc etc etc.


I guess by the standards of this, I engaged in virtual murder.

Originally posted by expat2368

The problem is the authorities are not willing to expend the investigative effort to track down the real offenders so instead go after the easy targets and as a result justice is not properly applied.

That's exactly it.

The public needs constant reassuring that the police and courts are doing something. By extending the laws to cover situations like these the police/courts regularly get to have their sound byte on the news and the masses feel secure that 'something is being done'.

The disgusting question is how many cases were turned away because there wasn't enough evidence, or worse, the accused was 'important' to the community somehow?

As far as this guy pleading guilty, he was probably threatened with full mobilization under child protection laws...'plead guilty or we plaster your face and name in your momma's church' type pressure.

Would I want this material in my home? No. Like many have posted, I have friends who like Hentai and that is their business. If they put it on while I'm there I quickly have a reason to leave. Even though it is fake I'm not comfortable with what is being insinuated, but that's the point...I'm not comfortable.

I won't deny that it does raise questions in my mind, but at the end of the day it isn't real.

As posted by the OP, the problem is that people can't seperate what is obviously fake from what the real crime entails. I posted much the same on the previous thread on this topic as well: If this stuff keeps a real child from being abused then let them have it...fifty cents worth of ink is ALOT easier to deal with than the lifelong mental scars that the real crime creates.

If they cross the line into the real crime, get rid of them.



EDIT: form and spelling

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reply to post by ZombieOctopus


This is going to be a short response.

But yes I HAVE walked into stores in my city and purchased mangas for my kids.

OOOOH Im a criminal.

Originally posted by hotbakedtater
reply to post by ZombieOctopus

 

This is going to be a short response.

But yes I HAVE walked into stores in my city and purchased mangas for my kids.

OOOOH Im a criminal.

Seriously?

How terrible it must be that children may be exposed to the idea that their bodies are natural!

*GASP*

My head may explode...

Originally posted by Xagathorn
It doesnt matter if children were really hurt or anything at all.. the view is viewed by sick people and the idea still goes into the head. its the same idea of watching a cartoon where they curse every other word.. if you have small kids would you let them watch southpark? same idea it effects people in a negative way and simpler put.. its friggen WRONG!!!

I agree...what you read and view = what you are...therefore we need to ban all depictions of crimes straight across the board. rape, murder, theft, speeding, negative media, etc.
because its friggen WRONG!!! doesnt matter if its real or not, doesnt matter...just doesnt matter. We must purify the American race, we shall imprison those whom speak oagainst values, or government, We shall destroy materials of corruption, decay, gree....woah...

woah...

I was channeling some really crappy 3rd world nation dictator just there...eww, I need a shower now

Originally posted by hotbakedtater
reply to post by ZombieOctopus

 

This is going to be a short response.

But yes I HAVE walked into stores in my city and purchased mangas for my kids.

OOOOH Im a criminal.

Get her boys...the cartoonie porn ring queen has shown her face.

reply to post by Xagathorn

It doesnt matter if children were really hurt or anything at all.. the view is viewed by sick people and the idea still goes into the head. its the same idea of watching a cartoon where they curse every other word.. if you have small kids would you let them watch southpark? same idea it effects people in a negative way and simpler put.. its friggen WRONG!!!

Am I understanding your post correctly? Are you stating that people who watch South Park should be jailed?

I have to agree that this is a freedom of thought, expression and speech issue. Japanime always depicts girls as being young. They could easily say the girls are 12 or 30 and the only thing letting you know how old they are is the type. For being a supposedly free country, we sure don't seem all that free. This then is also a Constitutional issue, because we are supposed to be free in our effects and such. So did these "officials" have a warrant to search this mans property?

My Government makes me ashamed.

Originally posted by avatar01
Who is the victim when the crime is cartoon nudity? Is the cartoon character a victim? The exploitation takes place in the artist's imagination. The crime takes place in the reader's mind. This is a good example of being punished for "thought crimes". There is no victim.

The so-called "justice system" is a joke.

I'm not going to touch the freedom of expression issue at the moment. The way this hurts children everywhere is that it helps to breed a culture in which grown adults are walking around thinking of children in a way that is unnatural and unhealthy for the children. There is a line somewhere that needs to be drawn to protect our most valuable resource and our future. Where that line is or how it should be drawn, I'm not sure but it's the kind of thing that is worth working towards.

reply to post by silo13


I wish could have put it as well as you. As I am in total agreement, If I may add an answer to the mystery as to wether or not this person should be in jail...I say yes and while were at it we find the artist and lock them up as well. I personally dont like the idea of any child being used as a sexual muse. At the very least we should blind these people. Now that they have exposed thier perversion they should not be able to lay thier eyes upon another child.

Originally posted by Mumbotron
it helps to breed a culture in which grown adults are walking around thinking of children in a way that is unnatural and unhealthy for the children. There is a line somewhere that needs to be drawn to protect our most valuable resource and our future. Where that line is or how it should be drawn, I'm not sure but it's the kind of thing that is worth working towards.

What we know is that the Colombine kids watched and loved movies like Natural Born Killers...we dont even know if they seen a porn in their life.

These teens/young adults murdered many students, murdered teachers, then killed themselves. They played violent video games and watched violent movies.

A argument of banning all forms of violence in games and television almost makes sense if you consider the actual effects...if your stating that people that watch stuff become what they watch, then by default you would also see the logic and reason to ban all crime forms because of how it programs the mind.

Please give a response back that doesnt make you sound like a hypocrite.

reply to post by psyko45


I am confused.

How is your child someone's sexual muse? The man went to jail for possessing MANGA/HENTAI, not artists renditions of your child engaged in perverse acts.

If you think perverts need nude children to muse on about, think again.

Every time you parade your kids with you to the store or mall, guess what? Perverts are there watching and musing.

I have read of perverts getting off on Sears catalogues, the kids undies or PJ sections!!

A grown adult indulging a hobby of COMIC COLLECTING is legal and does not harm children, least of all yours.

Can you clarify what you meant in your post?

and just for kicks

Story:
John was 15, Kate was 22. one day, they did the nasty. The End

omg, you just read child pr0n...your all going to jail!

thread over, format your computer then toss it into a volcano before the knock on the door comes...you perv!

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
One last thing what was this idiotic law again?

The jist of it:

the 2003 Protect Act, which outlaws cartoons, drawings, sculptures or paintings depicting minors engaging in sexually explicit conduct, and which lack “serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.”

one thing I did notice just now however is that stories are excluded from this...only say that because I seen some in this thread saying that was part of it also...
guess my story is still legal (above post), so dont toss the computer into the volcano just yet

Wow ok i went to sleep and 5 more pages popped up lol. So lets deal with some stuff

Firstly i must admit i'm shocked (in a good way) to find the majority sticking up for free speech. When i posted a previous thread on something similar it was torn apart and so many accusatoins got thrown around. Of course a few have been thrown here but not many, although to those saying "if you support the existence of this stuff then you're as bad as a paedophile" you should really check what you say.

The other interesting thing to see is how quickly people abandon their freedoms when they disagree with something. There is no victim here but you happily let the government punish someone. Well then the government knows how to take your rights from now on, say it's all about the kids and they can do whatever they like.

Originally posted by Muckster
wow ImaginaryReality1984!!! You’ve really gone and stirred up the wasp nest this time

Real children were not hurt by the act of drawing these images (at least that’s what we assume)

Lol yeah, first a wasp nest then i think i kicked over the hornets as well. It is not an assumption that real children were not harmed, it is a fact. Drawing a cartoon image in no way harms a child.I understand your response, i am very much the same when it comes to child molesters, but we must try and put our feelings aside and apply logic.

It may very well be that using these images has prevented the man from hurting children or using real child pornography (which by proxy hurts a real child).