The Ultimate act of Evil.

reply to post by Ghost in the Machine


My idea of the worst evil is ultimate selfishness - like the elite few that feel it's ok to enslave and lie to everyone else. Although I think they don't recognize themselves as evil - only as successful... pathetic.

reply to post by Ghost in the Machine


There is nothing much to question. There are many ultimate acts of evil and Hitler committed them all.

Hitler sucks big time! Period.

There is no excuse for what he has done.

Last Hitler evil thingy.

The second world war would likely never have taken place, when the allied
nations did not demanded Germany to pay for the damage they caused.

Leaving German citizens with a Bankrupt nation and dept so high they were merely slaves not being able to Germany's recovery after the war.
Taking away German soil and forbid German to be there.

And the group paying living in poverty, misery and eventually miss treated.
Were not even the people starting the war in the first place.
Those people were already taking place in the luxury what comes being in power.

These consequences of the treaty of Versailles created the perfect circumstances and the only reason Germany reacted and as they did. So many getting fooled into another war.

And if you say negligence is evil. Then apply them on Britain and France. First creating the circumstances for war. Second for their negligence.
When they learned Germany was rebuilding it's army.
Germany self respect sky rocketing up seizing to pay the Versailles dept they were supposed to.
Negligence when Germany took back what used to be theirs .
Negligence when they expanded for the first time there Lebensraum.

Only finally grow a pare of balls, finding out it was to late. And their negligence as a cause for devastating war causing around 70 million death.

And you people blame it all on the bad guy.
Well he lost so.

As for the allies. they to bombed civilians, disregarding life committing mass murder.

All taking in consideration people don't start wars their governments do.

Pff. This is bugging me for a while know.
Evil is getting people to do what you want them to do causing harm to them an others they hurt for you.

As destroying faith in one is seem to be wrong, I would have to say that forcing one's faith on a child is even a greater evil.

Also, I believe that an African genocide had killed more people per day than the holocaust.

Originally posted by Ghost in the Machine
Greetings.

While recently in a discussion with colleagues about Hitler someone bought up that he commited the most evil act, genocide. While another pointed out that while he did kill 17 million people, He would not consider that the ultimate act of evil, Since it was a war and what he did, on the most part, was legel.

The story above is relevant to what I want to discuss on the forums. Peoples' views on Hitler vary when it comes to WWII, As it does when we think about 'evil'. Each and everyone of us have a different perception of evil. So the question stands.

What would you consider the ultimate act of evil?

Personally I think the ultimate act of evil is to attempt to destroy anothers' faith. It seems to take quite alot of hatred to try something like that. But thats just my opinion.

The problem with pinning down the ultimate act of evil, is that we humans seem to always come up with new ways to BE evil. eveyone's perception of evil is different, and all of them are wrong. why? because none of us has all the information. there are things being done in the world, and in other worlds/dimensions/planes of existence that would make what we would consider "ultimate" a walk in the park. There is no ultimate. it's all relative.

Project 4.1 is by far the worst

Project 4.1 was the designation for a medical study conducted by the United States of those residents of the Marshall Islands exposed to radioactive fallout from the March 1, 1954 Castle Bravo nuclear test at Bikini Atoll, which had an unexpectedly large yield. For the first decade after the test, the effects were ambiguous and statistically difficult to correlate to radiation exposure,

miscarriages and stillbirths among exposed Rongelap women doubled in the first five years after the accident, but then returned to normal; some difficulties and impaired growth appeared in children, but in no clear-cut pattern. In the decades that followed, though, the effects were undeniable. Children began to suffer disproportionately from thyroid cancer (due to exposure to radioiodines), and almost a third of those exposed developed by 1974.

Personally I think the ultimate act of evil is to not acknowledge when evil is done, to not take action against that evil, and to pretend that it didn't occur. Turning a blind eye, that's the ultimate evil.

reply to post by SuperSlovak


Dude,

If you are gonna quote wikipedia. At least have the courtesy to mention them at the end of "your" post...

the effects were ambiguous and statistically difficult to correlate to radiation exposure: miscarriages and stillbirths among exposed Rongelap women doubled in the first five years after the accident, but then returned to normal; some developmental difficulties and impaired growth appeared in children, but in no clear-cut pattern. In the decades that followed, though, the effects were undeniable. Children began to suffer disproportionately from thyroid cancer (due to exposure to radioiodines), and almost a third of those exposed developed neoplasms by 1974.[9]

Wikipedia

Just saying...

Peace

[edit on 14-2-2010 by operation mindcrime]

Originally posted by Ghost in the Machine
reply to post by seethelight

 

First off, Everything that Hitler did was legal, On the most part because it was make legal during his reign. Martin Luther King even said the famous quote “Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal.”

Secondly, I am not part of any religious organization. I dont believe in religion at all. I do on the other hand believe that destroying ones faith can have a severe mental effect on someone which can leave them in a state of depression or worse.

Please do not make assumptions about me.

If you believe in the importance of faith you're something.

That something is your faith.

You're trying to put your faith onto me.

All faiths do that to each other.

Faith is like everything else, a big competition.

You think your beliefs should be supreme, etc.

As for saying something is legal, because Nazis codified it, well that's silly.

Murderers believe what they are doing is right (often) but that belief doesn't make it right.

The rest of the world wasn't going, yeah, the holocaust is totally legal.

And by the way, evil, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.

It's not a tangible thing.

Calling something most evil is a non-starter.

reply to post by PunksNotDead


quote: "In my opinion greatest act of evil is taking someone freedom (especially projects like MK Ultra) and subliminal messages."

Thanks for that. I'll add that those who crucify those who attempt to liberate them from this now universal threat (tinfoil hats etc) are as bad as the trigger pullers. They are enablers, and I should like to see them in hell.

Making your bread from telling media lies is probably the foremost evil, imo.

[edit on 14-2-2010 by davidmann]

It seems like all shades of gray. People's threshold for suffering depends on the person as well. As well I think we can be infinitely creative of how far we can take perceived evil. Imagination is the limit, those with a morbid sense of humor may know what i'm talking about.

That being said, do any of us really have a clear picture? Is there any of us who is not ignorant in one way or another? Is there any of us who is without the slightest fear or insecurity? What am i getting at... if we were going by these labels of good or evil, i'd say my personal view of myself is that i'm probably reflected as really damn nice guy. ... BUT.. there were times where I have committed acts we deem as "bad", out of my own fear.. my own lazyness, my own ignorance.

It brings me to an example my friend was telling me about: These two girls were on tv, on like a talk show and they had stolen money from an orphanage or something like that. They were being questioned like "Why the hell did you do that, why did you think that was a good idea?".. etc.. and they basically responded as like "You don't understand.. we needed money and the money was there, what don't you understand?". The two girls acted totally selfishly without any regard for the harm they had done but the point is they just really couldn't wrap their heads around why it was a big deal.

To take it a step further, we as people like to externalize our problems, to blame, to justify our anger, our judgement and biased assumptions. Granted.. if you get burned 100 times by the same source, the 101st time I have no doubt you would be a little hesitant. Me personally, I walk right into those traps because I knowingly am able to accept the consequences of betrayed trust. I'm getting a little off topic but I mean to imply taking personal responsibility for your actions, and not letting fear or biases rule you. We distance ourselves, create borders, manipulate each other because we don't have the BALLS, we don't have the motivation, we don't have that understanding of the consequences of our actions and we don't have enough compassion to care, when really it comes naturally the more you are able to identify your situation with another's. You remind yourself of the most idiotic thing you've done, or the time where your head was the most clouded and see how easy it is to screw up. You remember a time where you manipulated, lied or stole because you just couldn't bring yourself to put in the effort required of you, and you even may have felt a little guilt, because you were conscious of the damage you were doing.

I could go on really. I've spent the last 4 years in serious introspection to remove any kind of fear, insecurity, and accumulate as much wisdom as I can, to find the reason for my anger/hatred, fear, judgement, and to sort it all and if not fully understand it then at least find a way to deal with it so I could live with an increasing sense of PEACE.

We are all unstable little human beings but it comes with having a personality. We aren't always going to agree, and out of fear, lazyness, a lack of awareness of the implications of our actions, thus a lack of compassion, we are capable of the most monstrous things, but likewise, the more we evolve ourselves, the more capable we are of amazing/creative/beautiful things.

So to me the question of the greatest evil comes down to just how imbalanced, fearful, ignorant, self-loathing etc a human being or force can get. Is there a limit?

I liked this quote, i'll end with it "Don't hate the stick that beats you". The stick being the person, just being controlled by their ignorance, their imbalances. You can try and control anger to a certain point but it passes a threshold where you no longer know what the hell you are doing thats for sure.

Ultimate good, ultimate evil, just a perception. If I had to think of an ultimate GOOD, it would be peace, comes with compassion and all that "good" stuff.. FUNCTIONAL..sustaining..productive stuff. But there is an underlying NEUTRAL to me and it seems to be FREEDOM... it depends on the person, and their personal awareness, or else they start taking away the freedom of others. Ultimate evil.. war..torture... how creative can you get?


*POINT MADE + extra rant:*
I wanted to add, FREEDOM, as a neutral but to me also seems like the ultimate good, just balance, and allowance.. whereas peace/acceptance is the cohesion that holds things together, freedom is what we all desire is it not? See I get confusing myself with trying to put things in terms or categories so I don't anymore. Peace/function/stability/awareness/compassion/personal responsibility/wisdom, all factors that can stabilize this human/universal?..desired FREEDOM. But we are struggling with ourself and others, we don't want to put in the effort in the right place. In this physical world, everyone needs to put in some effort to sustain ourselves. If you were alone, you'd still have to hunt/gather, or could choose the option of doing nothing and well..die.. but there are people who have worked around this, manipulated. We may not have material freedom where we don't have the money, but we ALWAYS ALWAYS have FREEDOM.. freedom to be what we want, act how we want, do what we want.. it just takes a lot of drive, a lot of courage. You have to be willing to accept the consequences, or to YIELD to the manipulative will. Ok i'm done rambling.

[edit on 14-2-2010 by CavemanDD]

The Ultimate acts of Evil?

War and Slavery.

reply to post by Ghost in the Machine


The ultimate evil is child abuse in any form.Even simply disregarding a child is evil.Any thing other than acts of kindnesstoward chidlen breeds evil.They are what we become.Look at ourselves.We are an arrogant race of people who allow others to dictate our lives because we can not accept personnel responsibilty.The problems we face from being governed and dictated to are how Hitler was able to order the extermination of 17 million people.To state that He did it is iresponsible.The fact that we have any sense of superiority or moral values over any person in history is ignorant of the facts.Any evil deed commited by one,is commited by all.The most evil crime commited is the evil we fuel by allowing it to continue under any circumstance.The second form of evil is the fact that we all,every single human being, debate and reason our problems to the point that we forgo fixing the problem. It,s simple,there are no problems,only solutions.But bitching is so much easier than repairing.

reply to post by Ghost in the Machine


The ultimate evil is child abuse in any form.Even simply disregarding a child is evil.Any thing other than acts of kindnesstoward chidlen breeds evil.They are what we become.Look at ourselves.We are an arrogant race of people who allow others to dictate our lives because we can not accept personnel responsibilty.The problems we face from being governed and dictated to are how Hitler was able to order the extermination of 17 million people.To state that He did it is iresponsible.The fact that we have any sense of superiority or moral values over any person in history is ignorant of the facts.Any evil deed commited by one,is commited by all.The most evil crime commited is the evil we fuel by allowing it to continue under any circumstance.The second form of evil is the fact that we all,every single human being, debate and reason our problems to the point that we forgo fixing the problem. It,s simple,there are no problems,only solutions.But bitching is so much easier than repairing.

reply to post by Ghost in the Machine


The ultimate evil is child abuse in any form.Even simply disregarding a child is evil.Any thing other than acts of kindnesstoward chidlen breeds evil.They are what we become.Look at ourselves.We are an arrogant race of people who allow others to dictate our lives because we can not accept personnel responsibilty.The problems we face from being governed and dictated to are how Hitler was able to order the extermination of 17 million people.To state that He did it is iresponsible.The fact that we have any sense of superiority or moral values over any person in history is ignorant of the facts.Any evil deed commited by one,is commited by all.The most evil crime commited is the evil we fuel by allowing it to continue under any circumstance.The second form of evil is the fact that we all,every single human being, debate and reason our problems to the point that we forgo fixing the problem. It,s simple,there are no problems,only solutions.But bitching is so much easier than repairing.

DECEIVING LOST SOULS!

reply to post by hotbakedtater


You're getting warm!

Yes war is evil, but to get to war you need slavery and control.

Slavery is evil, becuase it destroys the human spirit. There has been plenty of talk about faith - depreivation and forcing another faith etc, but that is not the evil bit. Because you can fight that.

Once your freedom is gone - as in slavery - the next thing that must go is your spirit. You must lose your will to explore, seek the truth and especially seek freedom. If this goes on long enough you actualy forget that you are a slave.

The slave keepers must keep you in control, using fear, and today, money.

As long as they make you *think* that you are free to a large degree, the slave keepers can even get you to house and feed yourself, unlike traditional slavery where they were responsible for that.

Please keep that in mind as you go about your daily life. And maybe, just maybe, take a deeper look into some world events, like 9/11, and seek the real truth, not the one that the slave keepers have told you.

Genocide of innocent civilians, including woman and children.

We have seen this done through history. What is staggering is the volume of deaths that occur during these periods.

Related to this but also at another level and another topic, is the genocide of the unwanted unborn. I personally view this as a great evil that most will not acknowledge.

[edit on 14-2-2010 by Blue_Jay33]

Ever have someone come on to you, go out of their way to 'gain trust', and then blithely state "ah...you have 10 rears to rive..."?

Yeah, that's right up there too.