High School:1955 vs. 2010

Originally posted by ker2010
reply to post by VneZonyDostupa

 

You just said spanking is bad therefore if a parent does it they = bad

just simple logic you need not say a word.



[edit on 13-2-2010 by ker2010]

Nope, I said abuse is bad, and there is no clear delineation between spanking and abuse.

Please read my entire posts without pre-determined conclusions.

Originally posted by SaturnFX


Joe and Sarah are dating
1955: Joe tries to score...with occasional success
2010: Joe tries to score...with occasional success

Things might be better now.

1955: Joes tries to score...with occasional success...and there is no birth control involved. Sarah is likely to get pregant.

2010: Joes tries to score...with occasional sucess....Joe and Sarah might use condoms. Sarah might be on the pill. Joe and Sarah are less likely to let their hormones ruin their lives.

Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa

Originally posted by ker2010
reply to post by VneZonyDostupa

 

[edit on 13-2-2010 by ker2010]

Nope, I said abuse is bad, and there is no clear delineation between spanking and abuse.

Please read my entire posts without pre-determined conclusions.

To hurt or injure by maltreatment; ill-use.

If the spanking does not cause injury it is not abuse

Originally posted by ker2010

To hurt or injure by maltreatment; ill-use.

If the spanking does not cause injury it is not abuse

The point of spanking is to instill pain to teach a lesson. Instilling pain is medically considered committing "injury or insult" to the body.

I went to a small school in upstate New York back in the sixties. We had kids that would bring switch blade knives and brass knuckles into the classrooms. fights were common. I personally saw two teachers assaulted. One of them was knocked out cold. Hard drugs and marijuana weren't available yet but we had a stash of beer to hit at every school dance. The local cops were frequent guests at the school.

I agree that the over-drugging of children at modern schools is a tragedy and an outrage but most of the piece is a complete exaggeration of what the "good old days" were like as well as the schools of today.

reply to post by On the Edge


Ok, some are good and some are just non sense.

Scenario 2: If it is a fist fight on school grounds (note: No leg use in fist fights) then the worst is expulsion

Scenario 4: "Total Non sense" Parents are legally able to give their children a belt whipping.

Scenario 5: You can most definitely bring aspirin to school, on the grounds that you let the nurse hold it for you as with all other medications you take.

Scenario 6: People fail High School English every all the time and no one hears about it.

Scenario 7 & 8: Total Non Sense!!!!!

The world hasn't changed, it's just as dangerous as it ever was, not more so or less so. People haven't changed, they're just as rotten. What's different is we're now living in a police state instead of a free country.

www.nytimes.com...

The United States has less than 5 percent of the world’s population. But it has almost a quarter of the world’s prisoners.

Bin Laden didn't write American law. Al-Qaeda didn't pass legislation that violates the Constitution (i.e. searches without probable cause via the Patriot Act.) Domestic fascists did that all by themselves.

[edit on 13-2-2010 by Crito]

reply to post by Crito


You hit the nail on the head there! The topic of this thread makes that abundantly clear.

Seems as though people have decided that's where the authority lies now,and not so much with themselves or the ability to handle things logically on their own.

Maybe they can't,or won't, or maybe they aren't allowed,but for whatever reason, there's no "going back". It's just going to get worse.

Greetings all,

First Post here.

Had to join in and add to this discussion.
I have also noticed the big changes our society has gone through, some good and some bad.

One glaringly obvious change to me toward the bed is the disrespect children have for thier elders, thier peers and themselves as well as thier bodies.

Just a quick google search on school shootings brings up a lot of return items.

Also, I had come across an article on the rise of teacher abuse:

abuse.suite101.com...

Teacher Abuse is on the Increase
Classrooms Worldwide are Becoming Verbal and Physical Battlegrounds

There is a trend of violence toward teachers that is rapidly getting out of control in schools around the globe. Teachers are becoming fearful of a job they once loved.

The days of teachers getting an apple have been replaced with verbal abuse, racial and sexist slurs, repeated intimidation, threats of physical violence, vandalism of personal belongings and persistent classroom disruption. There is an increase of students who demonstrate disrespectful behavior to teachers, youth workers and other school staff in schools worldwide.

When I was in second grade, I spoke out of turn in class while the teacher was talking, and as a consequence, got a good paddling out of it. I told my dad about it and he said I was lucky he wasn't there or he would have given me a whooping.

Nevertheless, I kept my mouth shut and listened!

In todays world, a teacher or parent spanking thier kids would be accused of child abuse, a case which the lawyers would greedily lap up. In short, there are too many laws where a person can't act on thier own morals or volition to what they think is the right thing to do, least the state come down on thier head.

I was talking to a cooworker of mine about this very subject, and he said the 6 year old neighbor kid was walking past him one day while he was running the snow blower, the kid blurted out, you need to shut that machine down, your making too much noise!!! (kid pointing his finger at him)


Just 3 weeks ago, I was in a convenience store getting a soda pop and was waiting in line. There was not much room between me and one of the shelves. This kid comes up behind me that I did not see and pushes into me to get through. I pushed back so he could not get through and just looked at him, and asked him, what do you say? Instead of excuse me, he said, I need to get through.

Originally posted by mrno1
reply to post by On the Edge

 

Scenario 6: People fail High School English every all the time and no one hears about it.

Actually, people do not fail English or any other subject "all the time." I do not think that anybody is going to argue that there are large numbers of students who are deficient in English, math, and other subjects. These students, who can barely read are allowed to get high school diplomas. Back in the day these students would have flunked their courses, rather than get pushed through the babysitting conveyor belts that many of our public schools have become.

In continuing with the above post,


There was a story awhile back about a girl beat up at a bus station in seattle with 3 guards looking on which I think relates to this topic.
We have basically relinqueshed control of our kids in society to government control via laws and lawyers and the media.

Theres an old saying, it takes a village to raise a child.

With laws deciding our every move, and the media programming our kids, were at a lost cause.


There is a post about this video by a Seattle police Officer that nails it:

www.breitbart.tv...

I’m a retired Oakland Police Officer and I’m a little dismayed at the racism and backlash against the security officers that is occurring on this site. While I agree it would have been prudent for the officers to try and put themselves between the attacker and the victim to prevent any injury, it would have been foolish (and probably suicidal) for them to try and confront the gang directly.

As for their inaction clause in their contract it’s a sad reality of life in America today due to the unethical and predatory nature of trial lawyers and the inevitable fallout their vile practices force on corporations and governments. But this has been going on for a very long time and isn’t a new thing to those of us on the front lines in urban America.

Back in the 80’s and 90s when I was on the streets in Oakland, I had several (4 or 5 come to mind) incidents similar to this that occurred involving the Oakland Fire department, and a similar non-action clause in their contract with the city. The most extreme example would be when I was trying to make an arrest on one man and his mother called an ambulance and tried to fake a heart attack to try and get me to somehow not make the arrest.

When the man’s brother saw that wasn’t going to work, he jumped me and both he and his brother viciously attacked me in the street. At one point I was being choked and they slammed me into the grill of the fire engine that had responded, yet all 5 men from the engine stood and watched without taking any action to assist me as these two thugs tried to kill me.

I was forced to use some serious force and sent the brother to the hospital in the end and ended up arresting both men, but I was utterly flabbergasted that not one fireman lifted a finger to help. After I finished the paperwork and put the two men in jail, I went straight to the firehouse and had a heart to heart with the men from the engine.

Needless to say, I was livid, but after discussing it with them, I realized that they had been broken by the corrupt Oakland government and the constant droning they received from those in authority positions that they better not get involved EVER in a physical confrontation or they would be fired on the spot. I guess you could say they were apathetic.

Sure they’d run into a burning building crumbling around them, so they weren’t cowards, it was just the blasted city lawyers had actually put them in fear of their livelihood, so they had made the decision long before that day to resist the urge to ever get involved in any kind of violent confrontation.

It was so bad that a fire engine even stood by once as a victim ran around their engine several times as a man chased him down and murdered him. Again not a finger was lifted to help. It’s weird I know, and hard to explain, they weren’t cowards, they had just been indoctrinated to the notion of not doing anything long beforehand, so they didn’t do anything when things inevitably occurred later.

So what happened in the video here is nothing new, it’s just a symptom of the corrupt trial lawyers and how they’ve destroyed “justice” in America. Until they are run out of town, this kind of travesty will never stop happening in America.

Parents and thier kids are not an island onto themselves as long as they are also a part of the village we call state controled media induced society.


The big difference between today and the 50's is the number of laws on the books telling you what you can and can't do or say without some lawsuit coming down on top of your head.

Which means, in the end, we can only look out for ourselves, and you if you want to see where the selfish entitlement type attitude is coming from, there is it, from big goverment.

reply to post by hotpinkurinalmint


Thanks for pointing that out.

I can't take credit for writing the article as it is from an outside source,an article I was reading about the law coming down on home-schoolers.

It is written as an exaggeration,of sorts,but has alot of truth mixed in. I didn't attempt to correct it or alter it.

I myself don't care for blanket statements such as "always" or "never". There are absolutely exceptions and many shades in between!

Just a little anecdote of my own,I remember being in a department store and seeing an overweight,unkempt woman with a young son of maybe five or six. As they rounded a corner,she knocked over part of a display and could have taken two minutes to pick up what was now on the floor,and even her son seemed to act as though she might do something about it. Instead,she grabbed him by the hand and roughly led him on down the aisle. She saw that I had witnessed the entire event and all she could do was give me a smouldering glance over her shoulder and storm off!

My thought just then was,"She is teaching that kid to take no responsibility for his actions!"

Then,being the orderly person that I am,I went over and put the item back on the shelf myself.

When I see people misbehave in public like that,I can only shudder to think what things might be like at home when they are in private.



[edit on 13-2-2010 by On the Edge]

reply to post by jacobe001


Thank you Jacobe,,, finally someone with logical reasoning!!!

[edit on 13-2-2010 by ker2010]

Respect is something that must be earned. Our "elders" (older but not wiser) are the ones responsible for the USA having a higher incarceration rate than Russia and even communist China. You treat children like dogs, expecting unquestioning obedience regardless of how unjust the rules may be, then act surprised when they revolt. It's your own fault. You can't blame Bin laden and you can't blame juveniles. You haven't earned their respect and you don't deserve to wield any authority over them. You're the problem.

[edit on 13-2-2010 by Crito]

Man I wish this thread wasn't posted. 8 pages of useless prattle by 40+ year olds who think kids nowadays are getting it any different than they did when they were young. Like I said on page 2, I'm a high school senior, and kids today enjoy the same things kids did in the 50s, and aren't being limited to enjoy what they want by any realistic police threat.

Unfortunately however, this post will be ignored, and more and more senile and reminiscing middle aged people will continue to complain about nonexistent restraints kids today face.

Originally posted by free_form
Man I wish this thread wasn't posted. 8 pages of useless prattle by 40+ year olds who think kids nowadays are getting it any different than they did when they were young. Like I said on page 2, I'm a high school senior, and kids today enjoy the same things kids did in the 50s, and aren't being limited to enjoy what they want by any realistic police threat.

Unfortunately however, this post will be ignored, and more and more senile and reminiscing middle aged people will continue to complain about nonexistent restraints kids today face.

Spoken by a typical high-school student who thinks they know it all!

Wait until you're forty-something and see the changes you will have observed. You'll think differently,I guarantee it!

I read an article a few days ago about kids who are truant of having to wear GPS units! How about that for a change from the way things used to be?

man, this thread is still going on?

we are going to start talking about how times were better at the beginning of this thread than now...

incidently...we all know the best time in America was 1491 and before...after 1492, it sort of went downhill what with all the idiots with guns showing up

Originally posted by On the Edge

Originally posted by free_form
Man I wish this thread wasn't posted. 8 pages of useless prattle by 40+ year olds who think kids nowadays are getting it any different than they did when they were young. Like I said on page 2, I'm a high school senior, and kids today enjoy the same things kids did in the 50s, and aren't being limited to enjoy what they want by any realistic police threat.

Unfortunately however, this post will be ignored, and more and more senile and reminiscing middle aged people will continue to complain about nonexistent restraints kids today face.

Spoken by a typical high-school student who thinks they know it all!

Wait until you're forty-something and see the changes you will have observed. You'll think differently,I guarantee it!

I read an article a few days ago about kids who are truant of having to wear GPS units! How about that for a change from the way things used to be?

Yes, and he will be prattling on in some thread 25 years from now about how 2010 was the perfect and innocent time in America and how kids now (future) have no respect, blah blah blah.

time honored tradition.