High School:1955 vs. 2010

Originally posted by ker2010

I still stand by the fact their were no school shootings and most people fist fought and left it at that.
[edit on 13-2-2010 by ker2010]

[edit on 13-2-2010 by ker2010]

Reality seems to disagree:
en.wikipedia.org...

en.wikipedia.org...

Nostalgia just isn't what it used to be...

reply to post by debunky


Thanks i didnt see no school shootings listed in the 1950's you backed my claim up

en.wikipedia.org...

During the 1980s and early 1990s, homicide rates surged in cities across the United States (see graphs at right).[20] Handgun homicides accounted for nearly all of the overall increase in the homicide rate, from 1985 to 1993, while homicide rates involving other weapons declined during that time frame.[21] The rising trend in homicide rates during the 1980s and early 1990s was most pronounced among youths and Hispanic and African American males in the United States, with the injury and death rates tripling for black males aged 13 through 17 and doubling for black males aged 18 through 24.[11][17] The rise in crack coc aine use in cities across the United States is often cited as a factor for increased gun violence among youths during this time period.[22][23][24]

Homicide rates among 18- to 24-year-olds have declined since 1993, but remain higher than they were prior to the 1980s

remain higher than they were prior to the 1980s

remain higher than they were prior to the 1980s


Checkmate..... now move along


[edit on 14-2-2010 by ker2010]

Originally posted by C0bzz
We also had this about 50 years ago:

I love that! lol...snipped and sent to friends. cheers

reply to post by ker2010


You might want to reread that wiki there mate

Your arguement: 1955 was a wonderful year to grow up
Wiki: 10 years later, universities started getting shot up by those kids of the 50s

so, wouldn't the theory be then that 1930s-40s would be the "best time" in American history considering their product and raising resulted in the adults of the 50s?
Sounds to me by these stats that the 50s resulted in the kids of the day going flipping insane as they got away from their parents wing (in the "we are only using extreme examples as the norm" thread)

Sad, just sad. There are people here that just have to villify everything just to make their own life look o.k. Life was better back then and no matter how screwed up things are now, they can justify by suggesting how truely terrible things back then were. Fail.

Originally posted by adifferentbreed
Sad, just sad. There are people here that just have to villify everything just to make their own life look o.k. Life was better back then and no matter how screwed up things are now, they can justify by suggesting how truely terrible things back then were. Fail.

and to keep things balanced:

Sad, just sad. There are people here that just have to villify everything just to make their own life look o.k. Life is better now and no matter how screwed up things were back then, they can justify by suggesting how truely terrible things are now. Fail

ahh opinions and perspectives...arent they grand.

reply to post by SaturnFX


Yes they are, opinions and perspective are all we have. Unfortunately on here all too may times I see people justify being an ass or supporting really screwed up things based upon false principles such as freedom of speech etc. Every decade has had it's problems some worse, some better........but it seems when one can only select a relatively few things from the past vs. just about everything now a days and still say how much better things are today, things are screwy. Of course this is all my opinon and my perspective varies greatly from alot of people on here.............glad they do as well.

Flag from me!

I wasn't born until 1989, so never got to experience the good ol' days. All i've ever experienced were the 2010 scenarios, which are basically the same as the 90s and early 00s. I believe the 90s were much more lenient than today is.

Still sucks though. Only in the USA...

1955*

Mrs Rosa Parks is arrested by police in Alabama after refusing to give up her seat on the bus to a white person.


The Zeitgeist shifts .

reply to post by UmbraSumus


No offense,but after getting equal rights,which I'm all in favor for,then the blacks wanted special rights,such as the affirmative action and all that. Now they can have all the NAACP-type organizations they want,but if a group wants to serve the needs of only White people,THEY are racists!

And some still insist they should be given reapartions from years back.

Seems to have gotten a little far-fetched to me. Just like everything else this thread addressed.

See what I mean?

Honestly, when my parents were in school they both got the crap beaten out of them by their teachers at certain points, and this was back in the 50's/ 60's.

I remember a story where my mom told me a story about a boy who looked at a globe and said to the nun, "look at south america and africa, they look like they can fit into each other, maybe they were connected together at one time!?" the nun's reply was,
"what a stupid thing to say, only morons would think they were connected together."

If my mother couldn't recite something or didn't do her homework correctly, she'd get her ass handed to her by her nuns. Lashings with a ruler, hair pulling, smackings, name calling, etc.

My father got framed for cheating on an exam once and his teacher calmly asked him after class, "okay, either I expel you or beat the crap out of you. Which is it?" My father opted for getting expelled instead.

Oh and molestings, rapes and murders did in fact occur back then too. Not to forget racial tension, and god forbid you walked into the "wrong neighborhood," if you were in the wrong place, you'd get stared at, physically assaulted, hoses sprayed on you.

Only difference between then and now is that these incidents weren't publicized. No one wanted to air their dirty laundry, they were more likely to force themselves to stay in bad marriages. It was taboo to discuss premartial sex, homosexuality, incest, rape.

The only positive thing I can imagine is that salaries were better back then, there was a solid middle class, and as sexist as I might sound-- women were able to stay at home and manage their families and home. Now, we're all out working (or trying to these days, ha ha) to pull off a middle class lifestyle. Kids may get stuck with other family, or day care. They aren't developing concrete bonds with their mothers they way they're supposed to. Compounding this problem is fatherless families. And at the end of the day we realize that we do all of this for precious plastic. While feminism has liberated so many women it has also brought us down too.

Yes, the old days seemed more innocent now, sure. Keep in mind the same corporate and political monsters came from that generation circa 50/60's. They never got quite over themselves so they figured they'd rob from everyone around them, including future generations to come (this isn't aimed at Obama, that is a separate discussion).

HIV/AIDS, debt, the cost of education, the way the goverment is run is all a product of the people from that period. You can't expect much of the generations that spawn after that.

[edit on 14-2-2010 by helster83]

“I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on the frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond words. When I was a boy, we were taught to be discrete and respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise and impatient of restraint.” -Hesiod 8th century BC.

Interesting you bring up a quote from an ancient civilization.
Wonder why they collapsed? It would tend to be that history repeats itself.

I don't believe that mankind is evolving in any real way, emotionally or spiritually but repeating the same mistakes as in the past.

In my opinion, its fair to assume that this modern day civilization will one day soon collapse as well. History is replete with examples in this regard. Were not any more special than those in the past.

I remember reading the Little House series books as well as other ancient literature where kids in the mid to late 1800's were to be seen and not heard. Fast forward to the 50's and that certainly all changed. And more so today.

Again, also in the past as you pointed out.

Its a cycle that is part of the rise and fall of civilizations where they tend to break down internally. Ours is no different.


Lets take a look at what was written in the "Echo of Greece"

books.google.com... sig=Ffz-1i3zNHy20Mr7NEpEmbr7ZR4&hl=en&ei=63Z4S_ixFISKnQeuzszMCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAcQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=&f=false

What the people wanted was a government which would provide a comfortable life for them, and with this as the foremost object ideas of freedom and self-reliance and service to the community were obscured to the point of disappearing. Athens was more and more looked on as a co-operative business possessed of great wealth in which all citizens had a right to share. The larger and larger funds demanded made heavier taxation necessary, but that troubled only the well-to-do, always a minority, and no one gave a thought to the possibility that the source might be taxed out of existence. Politics was now closely connected with money, quite as much as with voting. Indeed, the one meant the other. Votes were for sale as well as officials.

“The whole process was clear to Plato. Athens had reached the point of rejecting independence, and the freedom she now wanted was freedom from responsibility. There could be only one result. ‘The excess of liberty in states or individuals,’ he said, ‘seems to pass into excess of slavery.’ If men insisted on being free from the burden of a life that was self-dependent and also responsible for the common good, they would cease to be free at all. Responsibility was the price every man must pay for freedom. It was to be had on no other terms.”

Were at that same stage where its everyone for themselves and not the common good of the people, or thier children for that matter. Screw you I got mine, and what can the government do for me kind of mentality.

So, like one of my earlier posts, when we sit around and say its not my job, or responsibility, then the state will surely make up new laws happily to fill the void. Which edges our civilization closer to its expiration date.

I've always wondered if the earth is just a continuous 2nd grade level education that we as souls visit to advance ourselves in, until its time to move on to the next level elsewhere?

With the same mistakes being made in the past, in the future and the constant cycles of civilizations rising and falling, it seems on the physical level were making progress, but stagnant on a emotional and spiritual level.

This may be a little too "religious" for some to even want to consider,but it certaily raised alot of questions for me.

In 1963,the Catholic church performd a little ceremony called,"The Enthronement of the Fallen Archangel Lucifer",which can be backed up as indeed taking place.

You've got to wonder if the extreme turn of events brought about during the 60's had anything to do with that!(At least if you believe in the Bible,that is,and the coming anti-christ world government.)

Just something to think about!

The OP is right, and it is sadly comical, even as I grew up over my 32yrs I was amazed at the loss of common sense on a nationwide scale, and now its just plain depressing. And though I'm not gonna search...I'm almost positive there's a news report covering EVERY example he's mentioned.....

reply to post by Grayelf2009


i went to a school about that size my graduating class 36, and yes we had random locker searches by both the police and by the principal it was agravating to say the least. I also had a teacher send me to see the school councelar for writing song lyrics on the front of my note book. also on a little more recent note... my family has been going down to this creek bed to shoot for well my whole life im 25 now and we have had no problems at all the last time i went down to shoot i had both the sheriff and state troopers called on me, i was just in shock, i had personally shot there by myself for 7 years at that point and all of a sudden cops WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!

people have lost all common sense its very apparent to me now i found this image online a while back and it just rang so true to me i guess im not the only one who sees it....

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reply to post by crimsongod21


That's a priceless cartoon depiction!

I love it!

Scenario 9: Johnny sees a black man drinking from the fountain he uses daily.
1955: Johnny calls the cops who beat the black man viciously.
2010: Johnny patiently waits his turn.

Scenario 10: Johnny gets Polio.
1955: Johnny dies.
2010: Johnny thrives.

Scenario 11: Johnny develops a crush on his football teammate, Phil.
1955: Johnny realizes that his sexual proclivities will bar him from any semblance of a normal life so he buries his urges and joins the clergy. We all know what happens next.
2010: Johnny realizes that Phil is not gay, so he goes home, masturbates to a picture of Phil, and goes on to meet a wonderful man to share his life with.

Scenario 12: Johnny purchases a book written by Vladimir Lenin.
1955: Johnny is labeled a communist and blacklisted.
2010: Johnny impresses his professor by being well read.

It wasn't all apples and pink bunnies back then.

reply to post by Ragu23


you are correct there were many things of that era that were less than good some on that were down right dispicable its a fact, the problem i see is that were going full circle so to say anyways but now days instead of the African AMERICANS we are going after the Mexican AMERICANS and illegals and the Middle Eastern AMERICANS and even to an extent the Gay AMERICANS. its a shame really we like to think that we are so "evolved" now that hate is just a word but in reality it is still alive and thriving on a whole new level. there is no golden age in this world, this world was built and thrives off of hate you look at any generation or time and you will find that there was a populace that was being discriminated against. but i digress from my rants I like to think what the OP was getting at was there was a little more common sense about how some things where looked at, not every thing but some common things as were illistrated in his post. but then again maybe im wrong and he wants to go back to segrigation i dont know ha ha ha but i really hope not that would suck.


thank you for listining to my rant sorry about any spelling or grammer errors

good day night depending on your location in this universe

reply to post by crimsongod21


Of course I don't embrace segregation or any equal rights violations.

Common decency says we're all entitled to the pursuit of life,liberty,and happiness.

We shouldn't need the police and the courts involvement in our lives to the degree it has become. Lives have been ruined of those caught up in the system. You can talk to any number of fathers who have been absolutely destroyed by the child support system,for instance.

Now that's a whole other subject. If families stuck it out like they used to,there wouldn't be any need for intervention.

It's a flawed system in general,this police-state we're in,one that has gotten too powerful to contain. It devours all who get in it's way.

There are surely some positive stories out there,but they are probably the exception. In any case,it shouldn't be this way. People should be encouraged to use more self-governance,decency,respect,and common sense.