An Interview with a Burqa Wearing Muslim Woman about Women's Rights in Islam: Stop the disinfo.

You're fighting an uphill battle here, Jinni. This place is absolutely packed full of Islamophobes whose main source of information is Youtube clips with cherrypicked images, ominous music and floating text.

They don't understand the difference between religious values, and those of a culture, region or nation.

I wish you the best of luck, but you are preaching to people whose judgement has been perverted by sensationalist news services like Fox et al, networks who seek to ignite their moral outrage, and who are uninterested in the lives of the vast majority of happy, family-oriented, moderate muslim men and women. Many of these people may mean well, but they don't have a grasp on the whole of reality, rather choosing to focus on the atrocities of aberrant misogynists. It's tunnel-vision, dude.

You won't convince them.

reply to post by riley


Because it's impolite to not show your face in your Eurocentric view, people in their own countries should change?? Nice. Talk about fascism and imperialism.

Most of the world considers westerners that think they are magically superior to be impolite.



[edit on 18-2-2010 by seattletruth]

reply to post by Subjective Truth


First of all, what's with all the thread-nazis?

Second of all, just because someone disagrees with your opinion does not mean they are a paid agent. What makes you think any group would "pay money" to try to convince a few closed-minded individuals that they are wrong. Nobody really cares what you think. It's a safe assumption that none of you will change your minds from your preconceived ignorant notions anyay. I don't defend Islam because I'm paid.. I defend it because I'm a Muslim convert. I'm not ashamed of that. It's my duty to stand up against ignorant lies.

I'm going to answer your questions truthfully. These are not biased opinions.. they are facts that you can research. Google it, on something other than a Muslim hate-site.

Does a woman have property rights?
YES. Islam ESTABLISHED Women's property rights so that they could collect inheritance, etc. Before Islam women didn't have these rights.

Can a woman vote? I can't say for 100% positive in every Islamic country, but in most, yes. My friend tells me in Egypt, yes.

Do very young girls get married? No. In many countries, 18 is the legal limit.

Can a woman divorce her husband? Yes. If he is gone for 4 months or more, cant perform his "duties", cant provide for her, or cheats on her, YES, she can divorce him.

Can a woman be killed if she is not faithful? Not in modern Sharia law. In older sharia law, yes, but the husband would also be killed for the same crime.

Can a woman be killed if she is rapped? No.

Do women have the same rights under the law? Yes.

Are women considered property? No.




Now I know you say you want to know the answers to these questions, but I know you will just call me a liar and continue in your ignorance.

Peace.




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Originally posted by seattletruth
Does a woman have property rights?
Before Islam women didn't have these rights.

In the middle east - elsewhere woman had property rights for years before Islam

Do women have the same rights under the law? Yes.

So Muslim women can have several husbands then? If you say no, then they do not have the same rights under the law!

Originally posted by seattletruth
reply to post by riley

 

Because it's impolite to not show your face in your Eurocentric view, people in their own countries should change?? Nice. Talk about fascism and imperialism.

Most of the world considers westerners that think they are magically superior to be impolite.

Are you serious? "Eurocentric"? I NEVER said I was superior. As far as I know only one subculture requires the entire face to be covered.. and it is not just european cultures that require actual eye contact when they are talking to someone. MOST cultures require it and not having some sort of eye contact is considered to be impolite.

Trying to talk to someone with a piece of material over their entire face is awkward and to expect people to pretend it isn't is asking for special treatment. The fact that you disregarded my points about face and eye language and went straight for the "fascist" angle proves this.

I thought you were after open and civil responses.. I didn't realise you were just race baiting.

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reply to post by Roark


Why so negative?

I have changed the minds of many before.

Also remember this forum is viewed and read by many.

Or are you playing a clever neuro-linguistic mind control game with me by trying to make me 'believe' my effort to stop disinfo is fruitless. You know what they say 'if you can't beat them, join them'.

Furthermore, all that read this board (registered or not) will clearly see this.

In case you didn't know the disinfo agents are losing this war and the proof is the push for laws to control and curtail the internet.

No sir, my will is greater than yours, my will is more powerful than yours, and the disinfo, MSM and sheeple hate mongering must stop.

People are waking up.

Originally posted by seattletruth
reply to post by dolphinfan

 

Oh really? Lets look at the empirical evidence:

Before the 20th century, vast majority of women did not work in western society. Only the men worked.

This is incorrect. Before the 20th century (Industrialisation), the vast majority of working class people in western society worked, usually the work was agricultural in nature, whatever their gender or age. Post industrialisation, working patterns changed for both men and women.

Originally posted by dolphinfan
reply to post by seattletruth

 

You know, I'm betting that there were Chinese women who used to like to have their feet bound, which essentially crippled them. Good for them. The problem is that they were all forced to have their feet bound.

I have no doubt that there are Islamic women who love living in the traditional Muslim way. The problem is that those don't get stoned and worse.

purely depends on how you generalize , the same could be generalized about th u.s just for reading news , polygumus ex stripper and mother of 5 ,

sure there are problems in afganistan and in the deeper regions of the mountain regions , and sure their belf system has rules that they tend to follow , a fiath based on roles you uphold.

but generalizing the couple of 1000´s that feel oppressed in their religion to that of the whole is a bit absurd ,

theres been plentty of wife beating and oppresion even whit out a "god" and its not only men that are abusive women are to.

allthou the pun escaped me but i belive that when looking on stats you ll find that its probobly x tians that lead in domestic violence and spausal abuse.

reply to post by Jinni


Some of us ARE listening to what you have to say. We are interested in finding things out for ourselves....which is why this thread and similar threads continue.

Granted, some are looking for a fight and are close-minded. But don't let that stop you (or the others who are sharing what you truly believe).

I'm listening, I want to learn.....so keep it up!

Originally posted by teapot

Originally posted by seattletruth
reply to post by dolphinfan

 

Oh really? Lets look at the empirical evidence:

Before the 20th century, vast majority of women did not work in western society. Only the men worked.

This is incorrect. Before the 20th century (Industrialisation), the vast majority of working class people in western society worked, usually the work was agricultural in nature, whatever their gender or age. Post industrialisation, working patterns changed for both men and women.

this again is how you generalize , back then you didnt work, you survived , you made a living,

todays working is not the same as yesterdays "making a living" ,

then again ive heard that work-ship and wor-ship is the true origin of the word work , so in that sence if there was equal ammount of males / females in religious work shops then yes both genders did work and no one was in any better status then the other ,
but comparing copying books or making candels to that of farming in the value of its nesescity in thouse times is a bit flaved in my opinion.

today people work inorder to make money ,
back then people worked inorder to make a living.

reply to post by zerbot565


Pre or post industrialisation, it doesn't matter. 'Work' and the 'rights' of women to work, is not a religious or feminist issue.

It is a class issue.

Only the 'working classes' AKA, the poor, have to work.

This thread about the right to work, supports that women in Eygpt enjoy the same freedoms as the men, convinces me further that no matter what the theo-politico-socio-economic-cultural framework of the individual sovereign State, no matter the historic era, the systemic master/slave construct is maintained.

False divisions created by the enemies of God; that men and women are not equal, that there are 'chosen' people, have done nothing but enable that most simple of war strategies, divide and rule.

And whilst educated slaves indulge in arguments such as this, the masters can continue to maintain and nurture the system that suits them best.

Originally posted by Jinni
Why so negative?

I have changed the minds of many before.

Also remember this forum is viewed and read by many.

Or are you playing a clever neuro-linguistic mind control game with me by trying to make me 'believe' my effort to stop disinfo is fruitless. You know what they say 'if you can't beat them, join them'.

Furthermore, all that read this board (registered or not) will clearly see this.

In case you didn't know the disinfo agents are losing this war and the proof is the push for laws to control and curtail the internet.

No sir, my will is greater than yours, my will is more powerful than yours, and the disinfo, MSM and sheeple hate mongering must stop.

People are waking up.

Wow, you're paranoid, dude. I wasn't trying to mind-control you. I was actually being supportive of your cause. I'll stop immediately. Sorry!