An Interesting Conversation Between A Student And Teacher

reply to post by tallcool1

When we screw up or act selfishly or unkindly to another, we blame ourselves

Except ofcourse for original sin, which we are to feel guilt for but which we blame on adam

We were given freewill by God - that's why it may seem to some that "God does nothing".

Except ofcourse that freewill has absolutely nothing to do with it seeming that "God does nothing".

I think a majority of us don't want to just sit on the couch playing playstation or hang out in mommy and daddy's basement mocking beliefs we don't understand

Why not? playing playstation hanging out with mommy and daddy is just as valid as anything else you do in life. Even Solomon recognized this when he said in Ecclesiastes that all in life is vanity. And, a good example of mocking someones belief that you dont understand is to say that, 'Basing your 9-11 conspiracy on the fact that the towers were designed to withstand impacts from Boeing 707's is like saying the Titanic was a "controlled sinking" because it was designed not to sink.', as your signature seems to do. You truly do not seem to grasp that jet fuel burns at 1200 degrees whereas steel melts at 2700 degrees.

while waiting for some magical genie god to fix all of the worlds problems

Perhaps magical genie gods exist in his religion? Perhaps they are called Santa Claus.

He is also where we go when this mortal life is over.

You have much faith and conviction. Although, ultimately this statement is incorrect, according christian scripture which indicates that the meek will inherit the earth, and also, according to the three examples of Jesus performing resurrections to show that ressurrection was an actual physical event that reanimated dead on the earth and not something that wisked everyone away to heaven in some non-scriptural conservative protestant rapture. Unless you are one of those christians that believes that god is a captain on a space ship and that you must strangle yourself to cut your mortal coil to get there, in which case god help you.

But, I'll give you points for not saying 'sir' in every other sentence, like the student in quoted conversation. That was just plain annoying, honestly.

Originally posted by marsvolta
have you seen porf`s brains?" everyone laughs. there are quite a few people who have seen it. medical personnel for example. brains are available for everyone to go see in museums of natural sciences. has everyone seen God? is it available for everyone to go see it? please.

that is a good point, i too believe he went a little overboard with that statement and lost a little credibility just for a "cheap laugh", but I think he meant it subjectivly though.

think about it, have you ever seen, with your own eyes, your brain?

Considering you could even live long enough to witness it, i think the answer would be no.

but... you know its there.

how?

-faith.

... i know what u could argue though. "Brain surgery" if you had brain surgery you could see it on video...

not exactly, are you actually witnessing it with your own senses that reflect it onto your own personal experience? In my opinion, its like describing your day at the park from watching a park setting on a monitor.

now with that said

This is just my personal opinion and you are free to disagree, but if you can prove to me why my logic is flawed i would be able to let go of my opinion, reveiw yours from an objective view, and then either keep my original belief, adopt what you believe, or create a whole new perspective all together. I believe this is the epitome of learning.

I really dont understand this thread, are u trying to say that you dont need to prove that God exist, but I mean, all you have is faith, there will never be a proof, so, whats the point of this thread, can someone explain it to me ....

the real problem with "I believe in GOD" is that, then I can ask, "Which GOD", since, there are a lot of different GODs with different opinions, with different teachings ...

there are a lot of different GODS and really, if you want to believe that a GOD described in the bible or whatever exist, good for u, I just feel sad to see all these wars in our world because of religion ... if everyone respected everyone's GOD, we would live in a better place

if everyone stop to think, ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO NOT EXIST SOME KIND OF GOD, because we came from something, someone, somewhere - we as the universe

but I dont believe in any type of GOD described in these big religion parties, since if you study a little you will find some facts very disturbing about these groups. So, I prefer to use my brain to think about life instead of not using it and sleep over a book living in ignorance

Originally posted by H4W4II4N_PUNCH

Originally posted by marsvolta
have you seen porf`s brains?" everyone laughs. there are quite a few people who have seen it. medical personnel for example. brains are available for everyone to go see in museums of natural sciences. has everyone seen God? is it available for everyone to go see it? please.

that is a good point, i too believe he went a little overboard with that statement and lost a little credibility just for a "cheap laugh", but I think he meant it subjectivly though.

think about it, have you ever seen, with your own eyes, your brain?

Considering you could even live long enough to witness it, i think the answer would be no.

but... you know its there.

how?

-faith.

... i know what u could argue though. "Brain surgery" if you had brain surgery you could see it on video...

not exactly, are you actually witnessing it with your own senses that reflect it onto your own personal experience? In my opinion, its like describing your day at the park from watching a park setting on a monitor.

now with that said

This is just my personal opinion and you are free to disagree, but if you can prove to me why my logic is flawed i would be able to let go of my opinion, reveiw yours from an objective view, and then either keep my original belief, adopt what you believe, or create a whole new perspective all together. I believe this is the epitome of learning.

are you for real? i can get docs to take pics of my brain. no way in hell anyone can take pics of God.

Nearly same post/discussion like the one posted a week ago about einstein..

lol true, but it wouldn't be your physical brain.

and the pictures could be likened to miracles and personal experiences of why he may exist, but not physically present.

Originally posted by H4W4II4N_PUNCH

lol true, but it wouldn't be your physical brain.

and the pictures could be likened to miracles and personal experiences of why he may exist, but not physically present.

mkay lets`s say i cant see my own brains physically. but i can see the ones from fellow humans (if they allow me into a brain surgery room)...

God proponents cant even provide that.

A rehash of the chalk dropping story, if anything. I love how the student goes from being respectful to being the pompous bastard that the professor is originally portrayed as.

Originally posted by awake1234
Awesome post~
A similar conversation is rumored between young Einstein and his professor!

LOVE

Which probably means religion made them both up.

Theyre childrens arguments and only the religious think they prove anything.

Well if we presume that the students argument is accurate then we can obviously say that:

there is a huge absence of god in this world!!!!!!

Originally posted by marsvolta
mkay lets`s say i cant see my own brains physically. but i can see the ones from fellow humans (if they allow me into a brain surgery room)...

God proponents cant even provide that.

Very good point, and i had a feeling this would come up.
are you familiar With the holographic theory?
if not, give it a look, but know that my response to your post comes from this perspective.

Lets take a trip back to philosophy 101 mind body problem.

what in this world are we absolutly certain of?

-I am self-aware

-I am a thing

-I think

I am a self aware thinking thing. I think/assume there are other thinking things but am not certain.

Based on that statement i can only be certain of my own thoughts and my own personal experiences.

based on that, how can i be certain your brain is like mine? Its based on an assumption that requires a certain amount of faith that shows that it is. But the only way to be certain, is to physically take it out and observe it, which i don't really intend to do. I know it sounds strange, but im sticking by my own advice and being open to other/new perspectives. holographic theory, check it out. although i don't agree with everything the theory offers i deffinitly find most of it amazing.

Well I guess the qualifications that the professor accumulated over time by completing verifiable tests thus giving him the ability to impart information to said student shouldn't be overlooked as they can be seen, heard, felt, tasted and dare I say it... smellled.

However the professor should have been smart enough to understand the position of science with regards to what is measured as oppose to what is labelled via omission - it's a rookie mistake and one that I doubt anyone worth their salt would fall for.

Cute story for a 15 year old starting out on life.

Terribly bias, skewed and I'm sure missing certain elements for anyone who has a basic understanding of 1st year philosophy.

-m0r

Student:

Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it.

If this be the case, are we saying that those who have not yet been born are in fact dead?

Student:

Student: Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's brain, felt it, touched or smelt it? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, sir.

The students may never hear the professor's brain, but upon his death, after he has finished with it, they will (if allowed) be able to feel it, touch it, smell it, etc. We cannot do this for faith in God, or for God at all!

Porf:

I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son.

In some respects, yes, but it depends on the subject. Experiments can be performed to demonstrate through replicability that what is being taught is fact. With a little more presence of mind, the professor would have been able to rebut the student.

I accept that argument, but is there a god? No, he only exists because of the absence of knowledge about the universe. Nobody will believe in him when we have all the answers to the questions that make god exist.

reply to post by Wertdagf


This discussion is about GOD, the spiritual bond. Not any religion in particular.

The Student raises some very interesting points towards the end of the discussion, but they unfortunately do not solve the problem of the existence of God and suffering in this world.

Something interesting to contemplate:

We "know" that thoughts and dreams exist. If you had a dream where you were able to fly and do somersaults in the air, then told me I would probably believe you. But, you cannot prove using the scientific method that you had this dream. In order for me to believe that you had this dream requires my Faith that you had this dream.

It's funny how us humans don't mind using Faith and Hope when it suits us, but discard it when we find it challenges our own knowledge and beliefs.

[edit on 1/2/2010 by Dark Ghost]

Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?

That's a pretty bold statement there. Evolution has scientific evidence to back it up, creationism does not as far as I know.

reply to post by Wertdagf

o right, its satans fault..... sigh.

What are you talking about? Obviously no point to your statement other than to take a petty stab at God. "Magical fairy god of the christians" ... Is that the best your free thinking intellect can manifest? I didn't realize fairies were in the Bible but you seem well versed, so I'll take your word for it. Back to the shallow end of the gene pool with you.

Originally posted by Dark Ghost It's funny how us humans don't mind using Faith and Hope when it suits us, but discard it when we find it challenges our own knowledge and beliefs.

EXACTLY, well said

reply to post by ModernAcademia


Did the professor give him an "A" or an "F"?