Mag 8.6 earthquake in China?--2010-27-01

This is the 3rd or 4th false earth quake report that I've come across on here.

reply to post by kyle43


the mods should really put the word NOT at the end of the thread title

at the very least, this one's a false alarm

This is the 3rd or 4th false earth quake report that I've come across on here.

That should come as no surprise, as I would say that 80% of stuff posted on this site is false (or misguided).

Originally posted by kyle43


********MAG 8.6 SOMETHING IN CHINA***********


www.seismo.ethz.ch...
www.emsc-csem.org...⊂=alert&id=FIZ24;BUC
aslwww.cr.usgs.gov...

So what is it ATS....are the links worthy? Could it have been mere accident? What caused the accident?

just for back up!

www.imagedump.com...
www.imagedump.com...


[edit on 27-1-2010 by kyle43]

The RSOE is not reporting anything of the sort and their monitoring stations are "real time" monitoring of events.

RSOE website link: hisz.rsoe.hu...

I trust only the RSOE as a significant source of information of this type.

First off can a mod change the title to ***Mag 8.6 something in China***

I'm glad every body on the 9th page has been able to say the same thing, which is "FAKE" or "HOAX". It may or may not be. SOMETHING did cause those scales to pick up waves measuring 8.6. Seriously by JUST posting on how this "has" to be a fake because it isn't on CNN or government sponsored sites really makes me wonder what you believe is posted on this site anyway. Add to the conversation please but if you are JUST going to dismiss this because it wasn't reported on the sites you've come to trust oh so much then hold your tongue, it is immature, ignorant and unscientific.


so from this moment forward I challenge anyone that does believe this to be a hoax do the following:

-Provide all websites that this would need to be posted under to be considered "reliable"

-explain the graph that shows a huge waving at the end of it (it seems to have auto updated so I will find the original)

-tell me whether or not there are different types of waves that can be picked up by the sensors

-tell me how there could be such mass destruction and no ability to cover it up if it occured at this location



-provide your response on wiredamerican's "Seems people are not noticing the 8.6 mb is not Richter scale. It is an updated specialized scale measuring more detailed information." What does that mean to you?



I will answer all my questions

-First of all, it is the very GENERAL consensus on ATS of how much is kept from us, the greatest technologies from the biggest scandals you can think of. If this was reported by CNN or USGS then YES I would believe it with out a doubt. But CNN and USGS is a double edged sword, I have personally seen USGS delete a few EQ's (from the recent Yellowstone swarm). I do not need to even start on the MSM's track record of providing sound, reliable information. Now lets look to the Chinese side, many people on here forget just how censored China is. They already proved they will completely turn there back on human rights many times (current google scandal, huge polluter, kicking thousands if not millions from there homes for development). It becomes quite easy to imagine how China could completely black out ANY thing related to the 8.6 (be it EQ, nuke test, or other). Especially if it was planned. I think they would be able to monitor certain words or phrases or contacts that may come out of the effected area. Also keep in mind it was in the mountains, if it was a controlled event, it may be possible to accurately CONTAIN the energy. My point is what can be reliable if you are known to have been lied to by the very sources you wish to see?

-The graph was very interesting to me but it could have been very normal but something about it was odd, maybe the fact that we couldn't see the rest but regardless, SOMETHING DID happen.

-I think it is entirely possible to control the amount of energy that goes into the Earth with different waves. If anything HAARP has (as far as conspiracy goes) proved this time and time again with the use of Scalar waves. Veneuzla openly says we have an EQ machine but would we have one that could have the potential to mess us over too? I think not, for an EQ machine to be effective it would need to be able to be heavily controlled. I wonder what a large scalar wave would like.

-if the epicenter was in the mountains like the picture shows, then of course there isn't going to be wide spread death and chaos, something the news doesn't want to hear. I'd like to find out how close the nearest settlement of people is to that and there current level of technology. The rest of the world (and yes, even China) isn't as technologically advanced as us who are on ATS.

-what wiredamerican provides is probably the most conclusive evidence that something happened but we just don't know what. There are the new sensors that pick up more detailed information. Well I wonder what more detailed information that it picks up?



[edit on 28-1-2010 by kyle43]

tactical facepalm!

there was no quake
nothing is being hidden from us

Originally posted by l neXus l
tactical facepalm!

there was no quake
nothing is being hidden from us

thank you for proving the idiocy on this site. You have repeated the same thing throughout the thread trying to de rail discussion so why don't you answer any of the questions I asked for? I find it funny that you say nothing is being hidden from us either, like you would know. I just love that you say "nothing is being hidden from us", because if it was being hidden you wouldn't know AND still don't , because nothing has been confirmed to be true or false yet on any source you need to see.

perhaps it wasn't a quake, now start thinking about it!

[edit on 28-1-2010 by kyle43]

Originally posted by kyle43

Originally posted by l neXus l
tactical facepalm!

there was no quake
nothing is being hidden from us

thank you for proving the idiocy on this site. You have repeated the same thing throughout the thread trying to de rail discussion so why don't you answer any of the questions I asked for? I find it funny that you say nothing is being hidden from us either, like you would know. I just love that you say "nothing is being hidden from us", because if it was being hidden you wouldn't know AND still don't , because nothing has been confirmed to be true or false yet on any source you need to see.

perhaps it wasn't a quake, now start thinking about it!

[edit on 28-1-2010 by kyle43]

kyle, you and i share the same name, so we should get along
whenever i post something like that, take a bit of sarcasm
i was totally kidding bro,

you pose very good questions actually

gj S&F

reply to post by l neXus l


then we ought to stick together! Sorry for calling you out but it seems your sarcasm has carried through the night and into the later stages of this thread.

anyway here is a news article posted today (28th of Jan) that talks about some Chinese EQ that happened on the 24th this month.

"Wuhan, China — The China Earthquake Network Center detected an earthquake of 4.8 magnitude on the Richter scale in Yuancheng county of China’s northern Shanxi province last Sunday, Jan. 24. It was not a big earthquake and there were no reports of damage, casualties or interruption of people’s lives. However, compared with this external shock, the internal shock was much bigger – local authorities had just refuted a “rumor” about an “expected” quake in the area.


"Further, the experts emphasized that rumors should not be believed or spread, as earthquake forecasts must be made by the government and individuals had no right to issue such announcements. Hence, after the actual quake on Sunday, those experts lost face due to their previous denials to the media."

www.upiasia.com...

Any surprise China tells there people not to believe anything about EQ's unless it comes from the government? If this doesn't show some of China's true colors I don't know what will. I wonder what other EQ rumors were going around China as of late...

[edit on 28-1-2010 by kyle43]

I think this one is a hoax , if it was true , it would be all over the MSM.

Originally posted by ROBL240
So what would 9.3mb be in comparison to Magnitude then?

Different types of magnitude calculations exist, they are used in different situations, depending on the earthquake scale or equipment type. For a given earthquake, between the different calculations there can be small differences. However in general those values can be more or less comparable one to each other.

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Other scales exist (such as for example, Duration or Coda magnitude), but again, they all have comparable values.

Even if the epicenter area is not populated, seismic waves from a M8.5-9.4 earthquake would be captured by all seismometers around the world. Actually most modern seismometers are able to detect waves from any earthquake >M6.0.

Compared to a M6.0, M8.5 earthquakes cause seismic waves more 300 times larger. They not only have large intensities, but they will also show up for many hours on distant seismometers, as well as causing many other aftershocks in the epicenter area for weeks.

There would be no reason to a world cover-up of such big earthquakes.
It's simply also not possible given the real-time nature of thousands of seismometers active on earth.

This has been a glitch. Probably a small local earthquake occurred directly beneath the Chinese seismometer. Probably the seismometer fell from its stand or failed in some way. Maybe somebody or something touched it. I don't know, I'm just speculating. But I'm 100% sure that there's no way such a large earthquake could have happened without anybody from the scientific or hobbyist community noticing.

Everybody, get over it. Nothing relevant happened.

[edit on 2010-1-28 by Shirakawa]

it seems it is not all that it seems.

at dpeth > 8 mag , lets say 5 km deep, will only cause a ripple on the surface unnoticed.

The issue lies in the depth, in that, deep structural pressures are manifesting and are likely due to off earth influences. Expansion and contraction not on the level of which most would think, but on a level that has result. Without aiding in confusion, consider the impact the plant Jupiter may have if it moved a fraction of a degree. Enforcing its gravity, magnetic, blah etic influence. This is not answers just rational. DO not judge and decide unless you are sure , that the answer that you choose is one you are prepared to die for.

I love tacos btw

reply to post by bdb818888


please no "not in MSM, not true" I have pleaded throughout the thread to either back that up or to answer other questions. Add to the discussion or keep to yourself, one liners with nothing but speculation please stop.

I would just like to point out that the epicenter was in a very remote, mountainous looking region. If there is no death or loss of money then I can understand why the MSM wouldn't broadcast it.

and to the post above mine


There is actually very GOOD reason to hide such large seismo activity, if, and many on this site believe, there is "something" going on on a world and even universal scale then the powers that be would be very interested in keeping things as quiet as possible to avoid mass panic. And I stand firmly behind my belief that such great waves energy could be contained with a designated area with out disrupting other sensors. Just because this activity is unsual in that it wasn't picked up all over the world can't prove it wrong, there have been many strange and unusual geo and seismo activity this month already that would help strengthen my case.

"This has been a glitch." ok, back that up if you are so sure. Get in touch with the operators of the sensor and find out for sure, I have not seen any of these "glitches" before (not to say they don't happen, but I haven't seen them) so please show me another glitch that has caused resulted in information like what we have seen. I highly doubt that the sensor was in an area where a human could have interacted with it (look at the picture a few posts up). So maybe it could have been an animal. And if I'm not mistaken , this is a hobbyist site, and while I may not be a scientist with a degree I know that good observation beats a college degree any day.

So here are a few questions I have now.

What is the size of the sensor? Is it positioned in a way that can be affected by human or animal interference? What types of wild life dwell in those mountains?


once again I want to point out that I did not make this thread with the intention of causing "Doom fever", I would like the title to be changed to reflect that something caused a few sensors to read out 8.6. I don't want to put the thread away and accept it as human error or glitch because I am an ATS'er , denying ignorance. However I personally think that something caused this and it wasn't a glitch or the sensor being knocked over. I am starting to think it was a Chinese military experiment.


"The issue lies in the depth, in that, deep structural pressures are manifesting and are likely due to off earth influences. Expansion and contraction not on the level of which most would think, but on a level that has result." ....this ties is also another great possible explanation, one I seriously consider along with it being a military experiment. People to often forget that the solar system has its own way of doing things as well, and we haven't been around long enough to collect the right amount of data to determine if something is terra or extra terra based.

[edit on 28-1-2010 by kyle43]

A seismograph is nothing that can just fall from a table. The base needs
absolutely to be fixed and heavy in mass. The only thing that is moving
is the pendulum (bob) that registers the magnitude in all directions within
a world-wide net of more than a thousand stations, where the factors "
exact time of the quake, the decreasing and respectively intensifying
magnitude measured in each station, the distances between the stations,
the speed of shock waves through the earth etc." are entering a calculation
that can very closely locate the origen of the quake.
Some seismographs are built into mountains away from all influential man-
made shock waves and can be as big as a house.
Look for pictures under seismograph or seismoscope (Chinese invention).

Originally posted by ThirdJohnAdams
I was able to find this. I'm no good at interpreting the data though. Perhaps this will those who can?

aslwww.cr.usgs.gov...

Russia looks like their seismograph was strapped to a paint shaker

it seems sometimes like you actually WANT these disasters to happen

and are disapointed when they dont

my name is weneedtoknow.....

It seems to me, and mind you Iam not a geologist, however it seems that Something is happening to our planet, the rise in seismic and volcanic activity cannot be ignored, now wether this "event" be a deep earth "groan" lets call it, a test of some sort or a malfunction, there were other sites that produced the same data. so to out it as a hoax straight off is not in my humble opinon, in the spirit of the site

There is the truth we know, the truth we create, and the truth that somone else will write.

reply to post by TacticalVeritas


Pretty sure this topic is beyond debunked. If this EQ was true, it would be something like 15 times more powerful then the one in Haiti. That is an estimation, but every 1.0 you go up on the richtor scale is 10 times more powerful.

An event that destructive -- ANYWHERE on the earth -- would not go covered up or unnoticed this long. The quake in Sechuan in 2008 was an 8.0 and hundreds of thousands died and the quake was felt throughout the entire country of china-- not to mention our Quake sensors on the opposite side of the world picked it up.

This quake was a cry wolf far too fast over faulty data. Mistakes happen and this was an obvious one.

/beginsarcasm

Or in the true spirit of this website, a grey beamed down from Nibiru to kick the swiss quake sensor to start this conspiracy of an 8.6 mag. quake being covered up

/endsarcasm

[edit on 28-1-2010 by SlasherOfVeils]

Originally posted by SlasherOfVeils
That is an estimation, but every 1.0 you go up on the richtor scale is 10 times more powerful.

No it's not
that's a 4.0 mag exaggeration on the ritcher scale

A magnitude 9.3 is 3,000 times more powerful than a magnitude 9.0!