What if Internet is the Conspiracy...

The first law of freedom in the 21st Century seems to read “Be careful of what personal information you put on a computer that’ll be connected to the internet, and be careful of what put on websites that can be traced back to you.

Even so: Before the internet was invented there were other ways of collecting information about you e.g. telephone monitoring, public records search, or (for the really reclusive) a “chance introduction” with the agents. All these methods are still used, the internet is just a depth increasing, cost reducing option for state surveillance.

In theory the internet may be 50, 50 for freedom verses totalitarianism. But if-when the state makes the right investments, in the wrong places it could easily be 40, 60 or less.
Many politicians did not succeed in politics because of their commitment to morality, ideals of freedom, or anything much else connected to making the world a better place! This was true in history, and it’s true now. Caution never goes amiss.

Originally posted by jackflap
They have since done away with this and now everything you do is saved forever.

Sinister. Even more chilling that it did not provoke any outrage among the population.

Originally posted by Skyfloating

It knows who you are.
It knows where you live.
It knows what you read.
It knows what you buy.
It knows what you like.
It knows what you dislike.
It knows who your friends are.
It knows what you believe.
It knows what you Download.

I'd disagree on almost all your points. Whats assumed is that the individual in question is all revealing in their online affairs and travels. Not everyone discloses true and accurate information although it may appear as such. The Internet is not profiling me because it does not know who I am. This includes downloads, online purchases and my social circles. I can feed it garbage and ravage it for everything I need and want, but in the end its just another void.

brill

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
It is called THE BEAST and it is a supercomputer! I have had dreams about it. It looks like a beast but it is shaped like the earth as in round!!!! and it has a that goes straight to the core and it's destruction. The path is associated with it's equator which is a round about line across the surface. I guess it's a gps unit or some sort of mpaping device....it knows basically everything on paper there is to know about you and it is the metaphorical apple from the so called "satan" a serpant rather, the metaphor for the apple is called knowledge.

Interesting. My paranoid self thinks of the Beast as a giant alien spider that is weaving its world-wide-web.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
reply to post by blupblup

 

Awesome, isnt it? Listen to the kids talk - "Whats the point in going to town for shopping?" - "Whats the point in buying books?" - "Whats the point in driving all the way to a friends house?" "Whats the point of getting a girlfriend/boyfriend, porn saves me a lot of hassle"

...when someone pulls the electricity plug, they`ll be devestated.

Come to think of it, who owns Electricity?

I know mate.

Well.... the point is that those things are LIFE!!!
Life is but a series of moments... and it's those little things that matter.

I can't imagine that anybody would have a favourite "life moment" that was internet related?
Like... "my favourite time was when we had a great game of World of Warcraft"

But the sad thing is... that somebody would have that as one of their life moments.

People need to get out and live again man.

Drive a car, Chat a nice lady up in a bar, walk along the beach with your shoes off... look up and the stars and talk of dreams....


These moment are life.



And YES Sky.... i would LOVE to just cut the power and get back to living once again, but i can't see it happening, well not for the masses anyway



[edit on 26/1/10 by blupblup]

Originally posted by OzWeatherman
Now it knows what kinds of pornography we all like!!

Well, imagine Mr Nice running for office. Right before Mr Nice exposes the grand conspiracy his reputation is ruined because his surfing habits are exposed. Or even worse, he's framed for material he didnt even know he had stored.

reply to post by Skyfloating

Sinister. Even more chilling that it did not provoke any outrage among the population.

I myself cannot cannot be outraged either, and I know what it does. Strange isn't it? People will deny that what is being gathered from us will not be used for nefarious means. I mean what could they actually do with it anyway?

Whole communities will be looked at by psychological profilers. A common link among the community could be found very quickly. This could be used to implement an operation whereby the very thing that everyone associates with is the common trigger.

Financial triggers, psycholgical triggers, political triggers. It goes on an on. Do you want to move an entire populace toward one common goal that is a part of your plan?

reply to post by Skyfloating

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
It is called THE BEAST and it is a supercomputer! I have had dreams about it. It looks like a beast but it is shaped like the earth as in round!!!! and it has a that goes straight to the core and it's destruction. The path is associated with it's equator which is a round about line across the surface. I guess it's a gps unit or some sort of mpaping device....it knows basically everything on paper there is to know about you and it is the metaphorical apple from the so called "satan" a serpant rather, the metaphor for the apple is called knowledge.

Interesting. My paranoid self thinks of the Beast as a giant alien spider that is weaving its world-wide-web.

Sort of, but the internet is the closest thing humans have to the global concsiousness and it is not alies who weave it it is you and me.

Originally posted by jackflap

The very concept of the internet was established a long time ago. TPTB knew exactly what they were doing when they allowed this technology. They knew exactly what information would be accessed and supplied their own versions. Our supposed knowledge from the internet is exactly what they want us to know.

This is all just a theory on my part. As is this next one. What if they have sequences of letters and numbers, that when searched expose the hidden archives? You could access from anywhere there is an internet connection with a simple search code. It's something I would have embedded.

Since the military has been using the Internet long before anyone else, we probably only have the "for the masses" version and they probably do have their private areas + everything that has ever happened on the Internet stored somewhere.

Nice post.

When i think about it ,it makes sense.
You just have to look at the words.

world wide "web"
Inter "net"

They are both devices used to capture.

I guess to some degree we are all caught up in it...

just a thought....

Then there is the future version of the net called the "Grid"
Maybe then we will be inter connected to computers, who knows?

Originally posted by brill
I'd disagree on almost all your points. Whats assumed is that the individual in question is all revealing in their online affairs and travels. Not everyone discloses true and accurate information although it may appear as such. The Internet is not profiling me because it does not know who I am. This includes downloads, online purchases and my social circles. I can feed it garbage and ravage it for everything I need and want, but in the end its just another void.

Good point, actually. Lessens the paranoia.

(I am only asking "What if" though, not making any claims)

Originally posted by Icecoldfm

world wide "web"
Inter "net"

They are both devices used to capture.

I guess to some degree we are all caught up in it...

just a thought....

Then there is the future version of the net called the "Grid"
Maybe then we will be inter connected to computers, who knows?

Some say the soul that comes to earth is already caught up in a virtual-reality. If true that would be amazing because it would indicate the soul getting caught up in even deeper virtual realities.

Originally posted by thehoneycomb

Sort of, but the internet is the closest thing humans have to the global concsiousness and it is not alies who weave it it is you and me.

You think this planetary consciousness invested into the Internet creates a conscious entity of its own? A Conscious Internet-Entity? I hope not

Originally posted by brill

I'd disagree on almost all your points. Whats assumed is that the individual in question is all revealing in their online affairs and travels. Not everyone discloses true and accurate information although it may appear as such. The Internet is not profiling me because it does not know who I am. This includes downloads, online purchases and my social circles. I can feed it garbage and ravage it for everything I need and want, but in the end its just another void.

brill

if your at home it does by your ISP and if you buy something how do you do it without useing your c.card or d.card. i would like to know this for my own use

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by OzWeatherman
Now it knows what kinds of pornography we all like!!

Well, imagine Mr Nice running for office. Right before Mr Nice exposes the grand conspiracy his reputation is ruined because his surfing habits are exposed. Or even worse, he's framed for material he didnt even know he had stored.

yes this is were i think it realy comes in to it own it gets you before you even started being a pain to TPTB unless you tow the PTB`s line. know more whistle blowing without consiquenses

[edit on 26/1/10 by Aceofclubs]

The Internet is a conspiracy, a conspiracy to utilize science to affect the metaphysical outcome of a collective consciousness.

The Internet is a hard wired and developing collective consciousness of humanity that is constantly leading to new perspectives and ways of thinking in a way that is slowly but irrevocably creating new international standards for morality and conventional wisdom.

Yes we are in fact hardwired into it, but that does not mean everyone being wired into it is actually participating in an honest or straightforward way.

Am I really in Tehran as my Twitter Account claims, or am I really in Miami where my bills go to, or is my computer in Miami being remote controlled by someone entirely unknown to the world in Colorado Springs who is creating a fictitious identity for me?

What does the Internet really see? What we each allow it to see, based on what we each want it to see.

Technology is a tool, a tool always created by man. Man will always be able to defeat technology when and where he sees a need, fool technology when and where he sees a need, and utilize technology when and where he sees a need.

The Internet is actually transforming the world as we know it and arguably it is the most revolutionary and evolutionary development to happen in mankind’s history.

One thing about conspiracies though, is that the best laid plans of mice and men often turn out for not, because sometimes conspiracies themselves take on a whole new life of their own.

The Internet is just such a conspiracy that is taking on a whole new life of its own. That is why some people would desperately love to regulate and control it, while other people are very much afraid of it.

The Internet is the birth of a collective consciousness and just where that leads to will be up to the collective!

Originally posted by Aceofclubs

if your at home it does by your ISP and if you buy something how do you do it without useing your c.card or d.card. i would like to know this for my own use

hypothetically speaking.....1)free cafe wi-fi 2)pre-paid c.card 3)maildrop service. There's more to it than that but the "Interwebs" can offer you all kinds of options.

brill

Great concept, Sky.

The net is a study in ambiguity...
People can be kept stupid, yet some seek enlightenment.
There's ATS, but then again, there's porn.
There's disinfo but there's also info.
Anyone can publish, but then again, there's porn.


I can't help thinking about all that Heinlein I read in my youth. When the mainframes go down and society is LOST.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler
thats alot of work for the average joe to do its not that hard to avoid it if you really want to but most wont even think of it so it will get all but the ultra suspicious by your isp`s


reply to post by brill
alot of that kind of thing e-checks and per paid cards is only in america. i have looked for a way as i`m not allowed a c.card by most in uk as i don`t work for long enough at a time and do mostly agency work

reply to post by leftystrat
yep its like a time stealing beast that take alot of effort to find anything good/useful thats not trying to sell you something



[edit on 26/1/10 by Aceofclubs]

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Am I really in Tehran as my Twitter Account claims, or am I really in Miami where my bills go to, or is my computer in Miami being remote controlled by someone entirely unknown to the world in Colorado Springs who is creating a fictitious identity for me?
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You could not have said it any better. Thank you for this fluent statement.

[edit on 26-1-2010 by SolarE-Souljah]

Originally posted by SolarE-Souljah

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Am I really in Tehran as my Twitter Account claims, or am I really in Miami where my bills go to, or is my computer in Miami being remote controlled by someone entirely unknown to the world in Colorado Springs who is creating a fictitious identity for me?
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You could not have said it any better. Thank you for this fluent statement.

[edit on 26-1-2010 by SolarE-Souljah]

The really hysterical thing is tomorrow agents of somewhere between 1 to 5 nations will actually be dispatched to Tehran, Miami and Colorado Springs to actually try to nail this down while all the while I am actually in Honolulu!

Actually make that agents of between 1 to 6 nations will be dispatched to Tehran, Miami, Colorado Springs and Honolulu to try to nail this down!

I love the Internet!