Need to take another look at UFOs in PA!

Originally posted by the.lights


I've been following Alison for half a year now and she is definitely on to something.

Excellent. Such a dedicated follower of Alison's would have no problem producing footage of their own at Alison's ranch now would they?

Some of you are no doubt jealous when someone hits a potential goldmine.

Now now. You're starting to sound like Alison herself, deflecting the issue off the validity/non-validity of the footage, and more onto a personal agenda.

I've seen very similar objects to what Alison sees here in the UK and I can assure you, she is NOT making this up.

Your personal assurance is not enough to prove this case beyond a doubt. And if you're an expert chosen UFO watcher, you should have some clips of your own. But you don't. you just have a particularly trite way of expressing yourself.

Most likely, these things might be probes of some sort. Or something else entirely.

Yes. They are planes.

Nope, she's legit, i've seen orbs....the WW2 pilots saw orbs called them "foo fighters"...the orbs in her videos are close, except fot the 757 or md80 in that one spot...we live in a spiritual war , and you are all the best soldiers.!

reply to post by NightVision


I don't need to validate any of my sightings to you. I have two of my five sightings uploaded to Youtube. I also have spoken to a number of witnesses to one of my sightings as a large number of people viewed them. These I have tracked down over the internet and they all independently confirm the same thing - some in startling detail and up close.

Now, in life, you have two choices. You either keep an open mind or a closed one. I've chosen the former. Alison's videos are out and out proof. Watch the laser beam video and tell me that can be explained away. Watch the UFO Hunt video and explain to me that what you are seeing is 'planes'.

What people on this site should know - and need to know - is that Alison has become victim to a vicious and concerted campaign to debunk her and rubbish her encounters. The evidence is there on her channel for the whole world to see. What she needs is serious investigative teams to come down to her place and prove or disprove once and for all. She has issued an open invitiation for TV crews and scientists.

I myself have conversed with her on Youtube and at all times I have found her to be open, honest, knowledgeable, friendly, sincere and truthful. People need to watch and judge the videos themselves before making any assumptions.

I say it again, this lady is on to something...

Originally posted by the.lights
The evidence is there on her channel for the whole world to see.

And the evidence shows.... planes!

What she needs is serious investigative teams to come down to her place and prove or disprove once and for all.

no, it is obvious that all she is filming is a plane

I say it again, this lady is on to something...

More likely she is on something, thinking planes are UFO's

On a semi-related note, there was a sighting this morning after 10am on the PA Turnpike, right where 476 splits off. I'm pretty sure I read it on MUFONs site.

I miss all the fun, dammit.

[edit on 26-1-2010 by the.lights]

Originally posted by the.lights
Now, in life, you have two choices. You either keep an open mind or a closed one. I've chosen the former.

No, you've chosen to accept the latter and are expecting the same of us. Open-mindedness is a willingness to consider new ideas; it is looking at the facts then drawing a conclusion based on those facts. It is not accepting extraordinary claims at unconditionally without question. Neither is it demanding others take your word on such claims without evidence to support them. It is not first having a conclusion, then rationalizing the facts and ignoring evidence to fit.

Originally posted by the.lights
Alison's videos are out and out proof. Watch the laser beam video and tell me that can be explained away. Watch the UFO Hunt video and explain to me that what you are seeing is 'planes'.

There has been plenty of discussion about these on this thread and others. There is no need to repeat them again. I would suggest you read them then come back here and tell us there is no explanation.

But you are making a great contradiction. You are telling us Ms. Allison's videos are explained by virtue of being unexplained.

Originally posted by the.lights
What she needs is serious investigative teams to come down to her place and prove or disprove once and for all. She has issued an open invitiation for TV crews and scientists.

She has. And when those investigators found her evidence wanting, she and her followers responded with ad hominems and conspiracy theories. She does not want someone to settle the question, she wants someone to agree with her.

Originally posted by the.lights
I myself have conversed with her on Youtube and at all times I have found her to be open, honest, knowledgeable, friendly, sincere and truthful.

She is anything of the sort. Open people, since, truthful people are not scared of dissent, criticism or debate. She however, does everything to shut down and silence those who disagree with her.

[edit on 26-1-2010 by DoomsdayRex]

The problem with Alison is that her knowledge of aviation related matters is limited indeed. She lives in a region east of two major airports. Notice in a lot of her videos that she describes the conditions as clear with great visibility. Where does she think that the aircraft transit to after leaving either Allegheny or Pittsburgh?

If the wind favours runway 10 at both airports then of course they are going to transit over her region on departure. It is a verifiable fact that she lives under an ATC zone. This was explained to her on an ATC forum but obviously to no avail. She also exhibits a a complete lack of distance perception in her videos. Lights of aircraft that she is filming are clearly miles away when she zooms out, but to her they are only a few hundred feet away.

Alison also uses FlightAware as some sort of proof. It isn't. FlightAware does not track all aircraft. It even states that on their website.

Why isn't she monitoring the Air Traffic Control frequencies in her area? Maybe not a good idea as she'll probably add this to her videos as the orbs faking ATC chatter? But seriously if she was to invite a group of aircraft enthuisiasts to go out filming with her they can monitor the ATC frequencies and produce a picture of the aircraft in the vector and ATC zones.

Anyone can replicate her videos using the same night vision gear. If she went 10-15 miles west of Allegheny and filmed when runway 28 was in use she would obtain the same footage or orbs in the sky produced by the lights of air traffic in the pattern. Do the same for any busy airport and the results will be the same.

Alison is also filming military helos in her region. Take the footage of the AH-64 in daylight. Absolutely nothing remarkable in that whatsover. Consider the fact that the AH-64s are out flying training missions on some nights? If the AH-64s are using their target marking lasers then obviously the beam is going to be visible to her night vision camera.

See footage of ground designation lasers from combat footage.

www.youtube.com...

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See how easy it is for Alison to produce the footage on a regular basis? She will be filming these for decades until the penny drops because the routine air traffic is providing a moving light source for her to film. See how easy it is for her to promote her agenda of 'orbs' 'fake and morphing planes' to fit in with her beliefs? Consider that her video cameras are also producing camera artifacts. She can be seen zooming in on a light source and a swirling orb is produced by the camera. It is the camera and lens producing this effect. You Tube is full of people being fooled by and promoting such footage as real. Obviously according to Alison it morphs from an orb into a fake plane! Film the lights through a wood and hey presto it all fits in with her theory.

Has she ever flown out of Allegheny at night, or any airport? There appears to be enough of her supporters to club together for to charter a flight. Let the pilot explain to her the various ATC zones and vector routes located in her region. Why doesn't she go back to that small airstrip that she films on one of her videos and get the pilots to show her maps of the vector routes and ATC zones that surround her property?

TJ

reply to post by DoomsdayRex


Doomsday, that video you posted should be on every thread at ATS. Thank you.

Watch this video from Alison and see a clear example of her total incapacity to judge distance.



'Golden Hovering UFO filmed from 2 DIFFERENT sides, December 11, 2009'

She states on the video at two twenty five that 'no sound can be heard'

At two forty five she claims that the orb is '1500 feet away'and hovering.

The aircraft light source is travelling towards her from many miles distant. Anyone can replicate this effect by filming aircraft in an ATC zone or airport from a distance. The aircraft turns on a new course so that the main lights on the airframe facing forward are not visible to the camera.

Alison states that it goes from a 'big bright ball to this little dim thing' Go figure!

Notice the communication towers in the video and the light source that she is filming. How gullible to you have to be to watch this and believe that the 'mini-sun' is 1500 feet away!

You could take Alison to any such similar location in the world and she would be filming 'orbs' and 'min-suns' all night long. This is a clear example of how someone with no ability to judge distance and no aviation knowledge can delude not only herself but others too.

reply to post by expat2368


Expat,
There is nothing going on. Alison will be producing these videos until the penny finally drops. She lives under an ATC zone and has on clear nights moving lights by the dozen. It is a target rich environment for her to film light sources and promote her theory of morphing UFO orbs.

View the following video at three thirty nine. A light source that she believes is 400-500feet away. Again another example of how her judgement of distance is extremely poor. Notice how this light source is being lasered? Stupidity knows no bounds for some people!A federal offence. Last week a man in the US was sentenced to four years in jail for lasering a helicopter.




Notice the aircraft turns onto a new course and obviously strobing can be seen. The camera that she is using is producing the halo effect around the light source.

I live in a similar ATC zone here in the UK. I'm a stills photographer (no video camera), but if I wanted to I could film 'hovering orbs' and 'mini-suns' on a near nightly basis through wooded areas and post them onto You Tube. That is how easy it is to replicate her videos of nothing more than routine night air traffic.

Took me some time to figure out this thread - Because...Of all the fighting among some of you...And everyone who even bothers looking at this thread...Might think twice, before creating a REPLY to anything in this thread called "Need to take another look at UFOs in PA!"

Both parts in this Thread (meaning you guys and girls behind the keyboards), have drawn your swords - And your now in a "Locked swords standstill" staring each other in the eyes...

Both sides shows gentlemen dicipline, and good behaviour. Your still waiting, which one of you will do the final strike at the other guy?

Who would be so ignorant to make the final blow....???
The other part would just strike you down with vengeance.

And tommyjo just registred yesterday...Why?
are You guys even investigating this?

Anyway i will show you how to investigate this tommorow..I have good questions...I am ATS veteran..

This BOARD is about investigating.
Somone told me that some years ago.

but your behaving pretty okay...Ever tried to be banned?
i have...
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In these kind of VIDEO threads - It is a great help to work in photoshop to get the whole scene out as a horizontal view...

You know - the Rovers on Mars - Have this panorama Camera. It photograph the horizon - Taking a picture each time it has rotated to the next horizontal angle, and it takes another...

You can replica this procedure with Alison Cruses Video's..

But that takes some time and effort...
That way we can recreate the flight path of the Unidentified Flying Objects in the videos. You will then be able to see - If the flightpath of the Object comes from the Horizon, or if it come from the area just behind the tree line...Going vertical instead.

Also add time-markers on the panorama - Each time you take a screenshot - mark the time. Write the time into the puzzel you will create in photoshop. You will be working with layers. To fit in the screenies on top of each other -
You need to scale the pictures because Alison are Zooming in/out..
You can press (CTRL-E) - That is the shortcut for Scale...

And you can change the layer style from Normal to Difference, that way you fit the pixels the best you can...

Make sure to cut the UFO pictures to small size, so you can create the flight-path without the pictures block the view of the next frame.. And add the time-makers underneath some of them.

Then we might even be able to figure out how slow or fast these things fly...

ATS do have a small space where ATS Investigators can upload their illustrations...
Remember to make them Only 800 pixel wide - Or create a link to a bigger version, of your Proffesional effort.


Get on with it...

reply to post by Ram


RAM, I agree with your perspective. No need for illustrations and diagrams though. A little investigating would have revealed that a YouTube user by the name of SeeingUfozinPA has already done much of the leg work. I'm afraid the final blow you speak of probably has already been dealt...while IMO the user goes to far w. the name calling, he makes a solid argument...

www.youtube.com...

Hey guys,

First post here, long time lurker. I just had to chime in on this Alison thing. I don't mean to offend any of the people that may still have faith in some of her "footage", but I find the majority of her videos just downright laughable.

She films airplanes, snowflakes, bugs... Anything that moves.

Some of the "footage" is so ridiculous at times that one is inclined to think that she is just trolling somehow.

Anyways, love the forum... Glad to now be a part of it.

Well I wish one of you geniuses would explain what the hell this is:

www.youtube.com...

reply to post by expat2368


You don't have to be a genius to figure out what it is...

Have a look at this video which is the full version of the one you linked to:

www.youtube.com...

The footage starts at 6:00 minutes in, this is where the video you posted is stopped.

What do you see now?

Are you going to be like Alison and her friend and say it's pretending to be a plane?

Oh yeah and I cannot believe she is pointing a laser pointer at a plane!

What kind of IDIOT does something like that?!?!
What kind of IDIOT would support someone who does that?!?!

This woman needs to be reported to the FAA before she causes a crash.

I can't believe people are debating about Alison... seriously, she is a nut. She is the lady that thinks orbs are changing into jets..

She claimed to not live anywhere near an airport, yet there is an airport only a couple miles away.

Shes an amateur sky watcher making amateur mistakes.

reply to post by expat2368


That is a jet, flying towards her, very very far away on the horizon. It looks like a big orb because the jet is so far away it is out of the cameras range of focus.

I see that all the time since I live a few miles away from a busy airport like Alison does.

I will be calling that airport tomorow morning when I get to work. Also, I will be calling the FBI in that area as well as the local police.

She needs to go to jail!

Originally posted by Chadwickus
...Are you going to be like Alison and her friend and say it's pretending to be a plane?

So if I film a plane doing things that planes normally do, and looking like a plane normally does...
...BUT say it's a UFO that is only pretending to be a plane, then can I be an internet sensation among the blind believers also?


On second thought, I don't want to be a sensation among the blind believers. I'd rather deny ignorance than promote it.

[edit on 1/29/2010 by Box of Rain]