Need to take another look at UFOs in PA!

She has some interesting videos, the triangle UFO's videos are most the interesting. Pretty pathetic though to see complete strangers trying to personally attack her and mock her.

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www.abovetopsecret.com...

Comments on this please

Originally posted by Moonman1111
She has some interesting videos, the triangle UFO's videos are most the interesting. Pretty pathetic though to see complete strangers trying to personally attack her and mock her.

Interesting from what point of view? What is with the 'complete strangers'?. Do we personally have to know her before we can pass comment on her videos?

Why not post a direct link to her 'triangle UFO videos'

Alison lives in a target rich environment. She lives under an ATC zone. If you were to take Alison to a neighbouring state in proximity to a major airport she would reproduce the same product. Take her to the next state and it would be the same. In fact any region in the world that has a major airport in the vicinity.

Think about the type of camera she is using? Think about why this light source develops into a strobing aircraft? I could film exactly the same hovering 'mini-suns' and 'orbs' morphing into planes in the region that I live in here in the UK. All I have to do is claim that the orbs are in the woods 400 feet away and that they shoot out and pretend to be planes. It is that simple! Anyone can replicate her videos and especially when filming through military grade optics.

TJ


[edit on 31-1-2010 by tommyjo]

Originally posted by Moonman1111
She has some interesting videos, the triangle UFO's videos are most the interesting. Pretty pathetic though to see complete strangers trying to personally attack her and mock her.

Don't bother posting the links that you find interesting.

Here is Alison's Triangle UFO video from 2009

www.vimeo.com...

It really is pathetic to watch and listen to! Nothing but filming aircraft in the distance that pass close to her. Yet again she is actively promoting and encouraging people to shine lasers at air traffic.

How gullible and naive do you have to be to believe what she is telling you?

TJ




[edit on 31-1-2010 by tommyjo]

Originally posted by Neodoxa

Can anyone show me a link to where she shines a laser pointer at a plane? I don't think I've seen that yet. Thanks.

Everyone is having fits that she is shining a laser pointer at a plane however the fact is she is shining a laser pointer at what "THEY" say is a plane. None of them have actually been there and they do not know for sure it is a plane.

www.youtube.com...

Watch this video from about 4 min to end. Form your own opinion. If you live close by I suggest you go and see for yourself. Would be great to get input from someone who actually has been there.

Originally posted by expat2368
Would be great to get input from someone who actually has been there.

We have gotten that - and it was just planes! So not UFO's changing into planes, just planes!

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I looked back through the thread and saw no comments by anyone who has actually been there. I have seen a couple of her videos where there were other people there who confirmed that what she was taping was not a plane or a helicopter.

I hope Neodoxa who said he lives only about an hour away goes over there and take a look.

Originally posted by tommyjo

Originally posted by Moonman1111
She has some interesting videos, the triangle UFO's videos are most the interesting. Pretty pathetic though to see complete strangers trying to personally attack her and mock her.

Interesting from what point of view? What is with the 'complete strangers'?. Do we personally have to know her before we can pass comment on her videos?

Why not post a direct link to her 'triangle UFO videos'

Alison lives in a target rich environment. She lives under an ATC zone. If you were to take Alison to a neighbouring state in proximity to a major airport she would reproduce the same product. Take her to the next state and it would be the same. In fact any region in the world that has a major airport in the vicinity.

Think about the type of camera she is using? Think about why this light source develops into a strobing aircraft? I could film exactly the same hovering 'mini-suns' and 'orbs' morphing into planes in the region that I live in here in the UK. All I have to do is claim that the orbs are in the woods 400 feet away and that they shoot out and pretend to be planes. It is that simple! Anyone can replicate her videos and especially when filming through military grade optics.

TJ


[edit on 31-1-2010 by tommyjo]

I'm just recalling what I remember reading on her Youtube comments. People weren't attacking the quality or objects in her videos, they were attacking her and her character. I personally don't believe anything though unless I see it and then some. But if I had to put my chips on it, I would say not all of the objects in her videos are airplanes or choppers from what I have seen from the videos of hers that I have watched.

Originally posted by expat2368
Everyone is having fits that she is shining a laser pointer at a plane however the fact is she is shining a laser pointer at what "THEY" say is a plane. None of them have actually been there and they do not know for sure it is a plane.

This has to be the most retarded statement I have ever read.

So what you are saying is if you aren't sure it's a plane makes it ok?

Originally posted by expat2368
Everyone is having fits that she is shining a laser pointer at a plane however the fact is she is shining a laser pointer at what "THEY" say is a plane. None of them have actually been there and they do not know for sure it is a plane.

So, are you saying it's OK to shine a laser at any object in the night sky, because there is no way to tell if something that looks like a plane is actually a plane or perhaps just something else disguised as a plane?

That sounds to me like you think anyone can shine a laser at anything in the sky that looks like a plane, because you can't confirm that it's NOT an alien craft.

[edit on 1/31/2010 by Soylent Green Is People]

Ignorance does not excuse the law.

Had to add a second line because my 1 line response takes up too much bandwidth and a mod might have to come in here and take up more bandwith to edit my response.

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Maybe I was not clear enough... the "they" in that statement is the people here on ATS who look at the video and declare "That is a plane". Then scream "oh that crazy lady is pointing lasers at airplanes". So "they" have made the pronouncement that it is an airplane without having been there on site and seen for their own eyes what is floating around in the sky.

I sincerely doubt the lady is stupid enough to point lasers at airplanes.

Originally posted by expat2368
I looked back through the thread and saw no comments by anyone who has actually been there...

What an absolutely idiotic argument. , not to mention hypocritical. Have you been there?

[edit on 1-2-2010 by DoomsdayRex]

Originally posted by expat2368
...I sincerely doubt the lady is stupid enough to point lasers at airplanes...

Why do you doubt this? There have been documented cases of other people being stupid enough to point lasers at airplanes. What makes you think that Ms. Kruse is not like those people? What makes Ms. Kruse "special" in your eyes?

Do you know her? Can you vouch for her? Did you know the other people who HAVE pointed lasers at airlines? Would you have vouched for them? If not, why not?



[edit on 2/1/2010 by Soylent Green Is People]

Originally posted by expat2368
reply to post by william.gauncents

 

Maybe I was not clear enough... the "they" in that statement is the people here on ATS who look at the video and declare "That is a plane". Then scream "oh that crazy lady is pointing lasers at airplanes". So "they" have made the pronouncement that it is an airplane without having been there on site and seen for their own eyes what is floating around in the sky.

I sincerely doubt the lady is stupid enough to point lasers at airplanes.

Yes she certainly is. Alison has proven time and time again that her knowledge of aviation related matters is limited. Dangerously limited. Look at her video shot during the G-20 Summit in Pittsburgh. She just presumed that there was a 'no fly zone' of 30 nautical miles that no aircraft would be flying.

You can hear in her video excitedly shouting and informing others in her group that there is a 'no fly zone' and nothing should be in it. She also gets excited and wants the lasers out to fire at the 'alien craft'.

Unfortunately for Alison she failed to check the FAA website or the Notice for Airmen. Alison lives in the Outer Circle of the temporary restricted zone . In both zones aircraft were allowed to operate.

download.aopa.org...

'The restrictions will allow commercial flight operations to continue and are designed to minimize the impact on private pilots.'

Not only were vetted commercial flights allowed, but diplomatically cleared traffic for the Summit itself.

Of course you won't find this on Alison's video or any narrative describing the G-20 Summit video. Other aircraft were also permitted as you can see on the FAA advisory.

Direct link to G-20 Summit video

www.youtube.com...

TJ

Originally posted by Moonman1111

Originally posted by tommyjo

Originally posted by Moonman1111
She has some interesting videos, the triangle UFO's videos are most the interesting. Pretty pathetic though to see complete strangers trying to personally attack her and mock her.

Interesting from what point of view? What is with the 'complete strangers'?. Do we personally have to know her before we can pass comment on her videos?

Why not post a direct link to her 'triangle UFO videos'

Alison lives in a target rich environment. She lives under an ATC zone. If you were to take Alison to a neighbouring state in proximity to a major airport she would reproduce the same product. Take her to the next state and it would be the same. In fact any region in the world that has a major airport in the vicinity.

Think about the type of camera she is using? Think about why this light source develops into a strobing aircraft? I could film exactly the same hovering 'mini-suns' and 'orbs' morphing into planes in the region that I live in here in the UK. All I have to do is claim that the orbs are in the woods 400 feet away and that they shoot out and pretend to be planes. It is that simple! Anyone can replicate her videos and especially when filming through military grade optics.

TJ


[edit on 31-1-2010 by tommyjo]

I'm just recalling what I remember reading on her Youtube comments. People weren't attacking the quality or objects in her videos, they were attacking her and her character. I personally don't believe anything though unless I see it and then some. But if I had to put my chips on it, I would say not all of the objects in her videos are airplanes or choppers from what I have seen from the videos of hers that I have watched.

When you are watching the videos you are being influenced by what Alison is telling you. She is claiming that the 'orbs' are hundreds of feet away and that they morph into fake planes time and time again. She won't even inform people that she lives under an ATC zone. Doesn't that make you suspicious?

You just have to look at the comments to her videos. There are a lot of people just simply being misled by Alison. I'm not saying that it is deliberate, but simply that Alison does not have the aviation knowledge in order to understand what she is filming.

I see 'orbs' and 'mini-suns' when my local military airports are night flying.
That is the nature of aircraft lights at night. If Alison brought her camera equipment to my region then should would be producing the exact same product. Alison has never been out of her environment to film at other locations. She is just naively filming aircraft light sources at distance and believing in Bruce Cornet's morphing plane theories.

www.mysterious-america.net...

TJ

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I agree with you further:

Here is a perfect example of why some lights are obscured and all a matter of optical illusions which A.Kruse never bothers to take into account. Also, the Generation III NVG's have a plethora of defects/artifacts and actually hinder the Army. New lenses were sought to correct the intense HALOING of the NVG's which also skew perception. They are specifically known for doing that. In conjunction to all of this how is it possible that these so-called ORBS THAT MORPH INTO PLANES follow a vector route? Their appearance is predictable and follow the same path every time Alison films them. Now you tell me?

Her 'MINI-SUNS' are no more than the landing lights being turned on to which she refers to them as 'POWERING UP'

www.youtube.com...


In this study we measured the characteristics of NVG halo psycho-physically and objectively and then evaluated the influence of halo on perceived environmental layout in a simulation experiment. Halos are generated in the device and are not directly related to the spatial layout of the scene. We found that, when visible, halo image (i.e. angular) size was only weakly dependent on both source intensity and distance although halo intensity did vary with effective source intensity. The size of halo images surrounding lights sources are independent of the source distance and thus do not obey the normal laws of perspective. In simulation experiments we investigated the effect of NVG halo on judgments of observer attitude with respect to the ground during simulated flight.

www.youtube.com...

Army new technology for NVG's
The Joint Fires Integration and Interoperability Team (JFIIT)is testing new night time identification system at the Army's National Training Center (NTC).
White light takes away the haloing of the NVG's.

www.youtube.com...


An optical illusion is any illusion that deceives the human visual system into perceiving something that is not present or incorrectly perceiving what is present.
Optical illusions (also called visual illusions) are characterized by visually perceived images that differ from objective reality. The information gathered by the eye is processed in the brain to give a precept that differs from the object being imaged. Optical illusions can be the result of a variety of phenomena including physical effects that create images that are different from the objects that make them, the physiological effects on the eyes and brain of excessive stimulation (e.g. brightness, tilt, color, movement), and cognitive illusions where the eye and brain make unconscious inferences. So much for eye-witness testimony!

Optics is the branch of physics which studies the behavior and properties of light, including its interactions with matter and the construction of instruments that use or detect it.

en.wikipedia.org...

Blinkys, choo choo's, and flying penis just doesn't cut it for descriptions and the sensationalizing of conventional aircraft!

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KIZZY.....

You appear to possess some level of expertise & experience with this NV equipment.

Have you looked at the Grimsley NV videos?

Except for that odd video of the "delta shaped" object, I believe all his videos show birds, bats, satellites, etc...

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

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As a matter of fact I only saw the "Delta Shape" object.

Many people are filming birds in flight. They have no idea that certain birds can reach an altitude of 29K feet. I think since the advent of Night Vision and people getting their hands on it that there is a frenzy to film anything or any light that moves in the sky! There is an outburst of the "Morphing Craze" going on than ever before.

People really don't stop to question or research things and that includes the dynamics of a camera!

People are filming "lenticular" clouds and "punch clouds" as well calling them worm holes and the like. It is getting out of hand in You-Tube- land

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KIZZZY.....

I agree with all of that

I remain interested in that delta-shaped object.

Do you have an opinion as to what it is?

I note Phage stated it might be a formation of refuelling aircraft.

I guess it could also be a small remote control aircraft with an LED display.

Beyond that, I guess I revert to CGI or some sort of high-tech aircraft.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not