U.S. Marine 'I Killed Innocent Civilians'

What a scum bag.... That is so #ed up..

Originally posted by DrGanja
What a scum bag.... That is so #ed up..

Let me remind you that the title is "U.S. Marine 'I Killed Innocent Civilians'" and not "U.S. Marine 'I Killed Innocent Civilians for Fun'".

This is a scumbag (Warning, *EXTREMELY* graphic video of animal abuse):

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first of all there are no innocent people in war. second of all who gives a #.

none of you are allowed to pass judgment on this soldier unless you have been in a war. all you little hippies who preach peace and love will come crying to these brave men and women who serve when the SHTF.

yea its a useless war, we get it. but its not their choice what war they get to fight it. either they gotta shoot or they get thrown in prison. its a #ed up choice no one should ever make. regardless of the war they decided to man up and go defend Americas image/sovereignty/freedom something most of you would never even consider doing.

everyone is very quick to shout hate at soldiers and cops, yet when you need help, you really want them there.

next war you can sign up and aim only at the insurgents, and then when a 5 year old strapped with c4 blows up on you, you'll know why some civilians were shot.

support the war or not, support the brave bastards who are willing to risk their live so that your still allowed to voice your opinion.

[edit on 22-1-2010 by Doc Tesla]

Perhaps if this soldier had taken the time to read the document he swore an oath to he wouldn't have to worry about this.If the constitution of this country had been obeyed by people who swore oaths to it our last war would have been ww2.

Originally posted by pooty
Perhaps if this soldier had taken the time to read the document he swore an oath to he wouldn't have to worry about this.If the constitution of this country had been obeyed by people who swore oaths to it our last war would have been ww2.

Soldiers don't write foreign policy, politicians do.

Originally posted by Doc Tesla
next war you can sign up and aim only at the insurgents, and then when a 5 year old strapped with c4 blows up on you, you'll know why some civilians were shot.

Exactly. The rules of engagement in our military are easily taken advantage of by the enemy. Strap 500lbs of explosives to the back of a camel, and put an unarmed civilian in charge of delivering it to Al Qaeda. To shoot or not to shoot? The decision becomes obvious when you realize that those same explosives have every intention of being used to obliterate your fellow soldiers.

If I may bring up Operation Redwing, again. It's a prime example of when goat herders should have been shot dead in their tracks. Instead these SEALs, out of the goodness within them, let them live. They payed the ultimate price for it when they were ambushed by nearly 200 Taliban warriors; the goat herders gave away their position. I believe 19 SF soldiers were killed, and one was severely injured.

Casualties are a cost of war, anyone who is surprised by this obviously has never had one history class in their life.

Originally posted by scrybe

Originally posted by pooty
Perhaps if this soldier had taken the time to read the document he swore an oath to he wouldn't have to worry about this.If the constitution of this country had been obeyed by people who swore oaths to it our last war would have been ww2.

Soldiers don't write foreign policy, politicians do.

the constitution is not foreign policy.

reply to post by Doc Tesla

first of all there are no innocent people in war.

Hmmm. So a foreign nation invades and occupies another nation and everyone that lives in the occupied Nation is guilty. Of what? Being born in a Country that the U.S. decided to invade and occupy?

none of you are allowed to pass judgment on this soldier unless you have been in a war.

If a building collapses due to faulty engineering am I allowed to pass judgment on the engineers without ever have been an engineer? If an airplane crashes due to faulty piloting am I allowed to pass judgement on the pilot without ever have been a pilot? Why not a soldier then?

regardless of the war they decided to man up and go defend Americas image/sovereignty/freedom something most of you would never even consider doing.

support the war or not, support the brave bastards who are willing to risk their live so that your still allowed to voice your opinion.

Rhetoric aside, did you not contradict yourself when you stated this:

yea its a useless war,

Unless you believe that defending "Americas image/sovereignty/freedom is useless?

I suspect you state it is a "useless war" because you believe that the war is doing nothing to defend America or Americans. If anything it threatens our image, our sovereignty, and our "freedoms".

[edit on 22-1-2010 by harvib]

Originally posted by harvib
reply to post by Doc Tesla

 

Hmmm. So a foreign nation invades and occupies another nation and everyone that lives in the occupied Nation is guilty. Of what? Being born in a Country that the U.S. decided to invade and occupy?

we are at war with your country, your gonna support your country, so you will help your people. if you give your countries army food shelter water or any kind of help you are helping them against my country and have become an acitve member. everyone is innocent until the fight comes to them.

If a building collapses due to faulty engineering am I allowed to pass judgment on the engineers without ever have been an engineer? If an airplane crashes due to faulty piloting am I allowed to pass judgement on the pilot without ever have been a pilot? Why not a soldier then?

no your not allowed in either of those cases to pass judgment. you don't know how they do it. what if it was an unpredictable event or something that they couldn't control. you don't know your not a pilot or engineer. they did there best and # happens.


regardless of the war they decided to man up and go defend Americas image/sovereignty/freedom something most of you would never even consider doing.


as for the last part you misread me a bit maybe i didn't make it clear.

what i meant was those soldiers are fighting because they believe they are protecting out freedoms. but from out standpoint it seems pointless. but maybe to them they see it as something necessary to protect america.

First of all, spare the BS about, "it's war" and the "rules of engagement are taken advantage of".

If a civilian takes up a weapon and attacks you, that person is no longer a civilian, genius. We're not talking about soldiers shooting armed civilians, were talking about soldiers slaughtering innocent civilians.

I, have served 2 tours in Iraq, everywhere from the border of Turkey, Mosul, Baghdad straight down to the border of Kuwait and everything in between. I've done supply runs, security details, scouting missions, escort missions, you name it. Out of those 800+ days spent, I was never with anyone that shot a civilian. We prided ourselves on stopping a situation before it escalated. I don't even want to try and count how many times I've had to stop a situation before it got out of hand. I don't know how many warning shots I've fired.. too many.

Let me tell you this, if a soldier fires on unarmed civilians, he in that moment, has lost his grasp on reality. Tough, but that's how it is. He has to atone for what he did, and wrack his brain for the rest of his life thinking about how he could have done it differently. Sure, there are certain situations that *could* be irreversible, but let me tell you.. they are beyond rare. There is no excuse for a shoot to kill on a child throwing rocks, as an example, I don't care how threatened you are. We ride around in multi-ton armored vehicles and 45+lbs of body armor, with assault weapons and explosives. Do the math cowboy. Some soldiers forget just exactly how much control and power they have over any given situation. Sometimes the fear is too much and the pressure of a situation is severe, but that's the job they volunteered for.

Having said that, I am proud of this man for what he's doing. There needs to be more of him to atone and confess to what they did, to bring to light what this conflict is really about. What we Do Not need, is people defending war, for the sake of war, because you do this country and humanity a great disservice. So, before you criticize people for "not understanding reality" or simply being "stupid", you should first look in the mirror.

reply to post by Doc Tesla

no your not allowed in either of those cases to pass judgment. you don't know how they do it. what if it was an unpredictable event or something that they couldn't control. you don't know your not a pilot or engineer. they did there best and # happens.

I disagree. Even in our court systems we believe it to be reasonable to have a judge and jury pass judgment on another without ever having been in the occupation of the accused. Granted they may rely on witness testimony to help formulate their opinion but isn't the individual in the video a witness?

what i meant was those soldiers are fighting because they believe they are protecting out freedoms. but from out standpoint it seems pointless. but maybe to them they see it as something necessary to protect america.

I can respect that. However isn't it important for American's to try to discover if the deaths of individuals on both sides are necessary? This subject needs to be debated.

Since he confessed it, and seems truly sorry for it, I do think he should be forgiven and not punished. Well actually he should be punished, in the sense that he should have an eye kept on him ... but I hope people realize that you should not support your troops if they kill innocent people! Even if they were "just following orders".

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Originally posted by mr-lizard
Hmmm...

I've not noticed ANY 'ANTI-AMERICAN' comments and accusations here...

Maybe because the murderer is American. How apt that those blind patriots are silenced when one of their own is a killer.

Yet if I had dared to claim that Americans quite often take innocent lives, then i'd be branded as an 'Anti-American.

Well first off the post isn't all about you.
Second....

This is one voice out of how many hundreds of thousands who have had totally different experiences?

I'm sure many feel the way he does and many more who do not.
Take it for what it is, a person spilling his feelings and sharing his regrets nothing more.

He volunteered remember.

reply to post by seattletruth


I'm with you. Congress has already admitted we are over there under false information, there for this war s bull#.

That's war??

What the hell is wrong with you people. It's ok to kill innocent women and children becuase its war. Its ok to drag families into the streets because its war.

No, It's never ok. When you follow asinine orders that you know to be morally wrong without question, you turn your back on your country and the constitution. We always have a choice, its not an easy one, but we have a choice.

Some of you sicken me. I just read from page 1 following my post and there are some of you that should just stop wasting everyone's oxygen. How many of you with the bleeding hearts for the "poor" Iraqi or Afghani people have ever done anything other sit in front of your computer preaching peace and love? Unreal. All you do is sit in front of your widescreen HD TV and your computer and read/watch what TV news stories the MSM decides to air for ratings. We all know that bad news is good for ratings. What you fail to see with your fat cheeto eating ass sitting in front of your "media machines" is the infrastructure we are rebuilding in Iraq. I can't vouch for anything in Afghan because I was not there. You don't see the crowds and crowds of people chanting "USA...USA" or their crude signs thanking the US military. You don't see the Marines, Soldiers, Sailors and Airmen in the local schools handing out candy, school supplies and soccer balls to the local children. You don't see the local populace lining up to hug American Armed Forces members. You won't see this because it is good news. What you will see is the "innocent civilian" that got shot; but what the news failed to mention is that the bastard insurgency strapped the "innocent civilian" with an improvised explosive device and had him walk through an entry checkpoint and ignore all our escalation of force procedures. That is just one example and I could compille many, many more. I do not/will not condone the intentional murder of truly innocent civilians but as stated in a previous post in this thread, collateral damage will never be cut out 100% in an active combat zone. That is especially true in an environment such as Iraq where the coward insurgency will try and blend in with the local populace. Whether we are justified in being there is not the issue here, nor was it the issue in the OP...so let us leave that part out of this particular discussion.

-Nate

Originally posted by jerico65

Originally posted by Faiol
HAHAHAHHA WHAT A JOKE
its war ?

I mean REALLY, its war?

they dont have 1 % of the weapons/power that the US army have.

Sorry, Gus. That's a lame point to take in this discussion. It's not like they have spears and we are nuking them. The whole idea of war is to defeat the enemy, limit civlian casualities, and bring your own people back in one piece.

A massacre is when an insurgent sets off a bomb in a market crowded with women and children.

Originally posted by Faiol
I really hate these americans that really dont know anything about it ... its shameful you talk about war ... I will repeat since most of u dont understand, its not war

And you're basing your opinion on what military experiences of yours, Xbox??

lol, you guys are fighting a country that doesnt even have an army and you call it a war?

its not fair, this is not WWII, this is not a war, as I said, this is a massacre

I am not saying that the fault is on the soldiers, they are doing what they can to get out of there alive, the problem is that, most of the population is dumb and really dont know what is going on in iraq and other countries, they think the US are fighting a real war ...

the whole problem is the knowledge of the americans that support the war ... if nobody supported the war, it wouldnt have happened ...

but people still believe that they are trying to find bin laden HAHAHHA, what a joke

I think you watched too much Jericho


[edit on 22-1-2010 by Faiol]

the whole problem is the knowledge of the americans that support the war ... if nobody supported the war, it wouldnt have happened ...

I am going to have to raise the bullsh_t flag on this one. Ol' Bushy boy was hell bent on going to Iraq to finish a job his daddy didn't; with or without the approval of the people.

Originally posted by Acid_Burn2009
Some of you sicken me. I just read from page 1 following my post and there are some of you that should just stop wasting everyone's oxygen. How many of you with the bleeding hearts for the "poor" Iraqi or Afghani people have ever done anything other sit in front of your computer preaching peace and love? Unreal. All you do is sit in front of your widescreen HD TV and your computer and read/watch what TV news stories the MSM decides to air for ratings. We all know that bad news is good for ratings. What you fail to see with your fat cheeto eating ass sitting in front of your "media machines"

-Nate

yeah,,, and we also don't see all the dead children's bodies,,,, mother's crying

when we drop a bomb on a school instead of the enemy

you can't have it both ways,,,,,

and just because you have a different view,,, we're all fat cheetoh eaters???

you sound ignorant,,,,by your own statements,,,,,, were you not fighting for your country and our "freedoms" like free speech ,,, to have a voice and thoughts???


and i think most aren't questioning soldiers or what happens in war,,,,,, but why we're there and our own gov't's propoganda and lies to engage


i feel bad for every one who lost a husband, wife, son, daughter,,, both american and innocent iraqi's,,,,, and this soldier who did what he thought he had to,,, because we probably never should have sent troops


we ok'ed saddam to invade kuwait,,,, and then bombed him for it,,,,, sneaky gov't again


ps,,,, wasn't this an anti war demonstration,,, press conference,,,, this guy isn't be prosecuted or tried,,,, is he???

ps,,, i don't even like cheetohs,,,, i prefer pork rinds



i'm not fat

i don't like tv either