Just when you thought he had done his worst, Obama has a little surprise for you.

H.R.45 / S.B.2009 has stirred contraversy since last spring but this year, no waiting for spring, this is being sprung now...

Gun owners... look what's on the 2010 tax return VERIFIED – TRUE by snopes.com. As if we didn't have enough to get upset about! If you have a gun, I hope it isn't registered! It begins ... more Freedom gone ... the right to protect yourself and your family gone!
Senate Bill SB-2099 will require us to put on our 2009 1040 federal tax form all guns that you have or own. It will require fingerprints and a tax of $50 per gun.


This bill was introduced on Feb.. 24, 2009, by the Omama staff. BUT . . this bill will only become public knowledge 30 days after the new law becomes effective ! This is an amendment to the Internal Revenue Act of 1986. This means that the Finance Committee has passed this without the Senate voting on it at all. Trust Obama ? ….. you must be kidding!

And there's more!

Even gun shop owners didn’t know about this because the government is trying to fly it under the radar as a ‘minor’ IRS revision, and, as usuual, the ‘political’ lawmakers did not read this bill before signing and approving it !

To find out about this – go to any government website and type in HR 45 or Google HR 45 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sales Act of 2009. You will get all the information.

Basically this would make it illegal to own a firearm – any rifle with a clip or ANY pistol unless:

-It is registered -You are fingerprinted -You supply a current Driver’s License -You supply your Social Security # -You will submit to a physical & mental evaluation at any time of their choosing -Each update – change or ownership through private or public sale must be reported and costs $25 – Failure to do so you automatically lose the right to own a firearm and are
subject up to a year in jail. -There is a child provision clause on page 16 section 305 stating a child-access provision. Gun must be locked and inaccessible to any child under 18. -They would have the right to come and inspect that you are storing your gun safely away from accessibility to children and fine is punishable for up to 5 yrs. in prison.

Just when you thought he had done his worst,

So this passes committee (Senate) without a vote.
Nice.
Got my hip-waders on...
ready to wallow through the muck?..

typo

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Oh wow.. Yes that for some reason doesnt supprise me.. Obama has been screwing up ever since he has been elected.. The health care plan (dont make me get into that) and etc etc... Everyone figured a different race for president would solve are problems.. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!! its not about race its about natural resources and money.. Poor and the rich.. On a positive note it will most likely cut back on crime just a lil bit.. It will be alot harder to obtain a weapon.. But who knows the local liquir store might start to get mugged with bamboo sticks for now on.

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Actually no according to snopes its not.

Snopes says its partially true because it a bill but will never be voted on.

Most of what you state as true in your OP is stated as false.

Your title is misleading because Obama had nothing to do with this ( like usual).

Unless the links you provided are giving me wrong info, this is a hoax.

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Wow, I'm not surprised I heard about this when it came out. Alot of BS i think, but thats just me.

www.govtrack.us...

the above is a link to the bill get readin!

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Really people? 4 stars and you don't even check the facts on what he is stating with the link he provided?

The Obama hate is strong tonight.

And now 5....

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Who was it that said he planned on having a"transparent"administration?Nevermind.I must have the wrong person or am misdefinining the word transparent.

I'll put it like this...

When the government starts asking questions about my firearms, I'm going to speak in riddles. I'm going to refuse to pay taxes on them. I will refuse to cooperate with unconstitutional legislation and unconstitutional enforcement. I will generate so much bureaucratic red tape, they are going to be pulling out their hair.

I am not afraid of this bumbling government and its bumbling enforcers. I know just which buttons to push — those that create the most paperwork for the government. They hate that. They hate people who know that.

Keep that in mind. Paperwork is your greatest defense against the Socialists in Washington — bury them in paperwork. They'll lose their minds and give up. I promise you.

— Doc Velocity

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I'm finding the same thing you are?

Snopes is claiming this as only partly true because it is a proposed bill. I also do not see a connection to obama? It's listed as the blair holt bill, it's been around since 2007, with little to no progress.

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It is true, using paper is the best way to defend yourself and I have defended myself succesfully using paper.

Originally posted by Seiko
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I'm finding the same thing you are?

Snopes is claiming this as only partly true because it is a proposed bill. I also do not see a connection to obama? It's listed as the blair holt bill, it's been around since 2007, with little to no progress.

It wont matter though, people will star and flag and reply but not even read all that he wrote or the links... or what you and I posted.

I was starting to feel like I was in Bizarro world though, thank you for showing I may not be the insane one.

Originally posted by Quickfix
It is true, using paper is the best way to defend yourself and I have defended myself succesfully using paper.

I learned it the hard way, during a 10-year battle with the IRS. Later, by a stroke of Fate, I was employed by a big software company (no names please) that served many of the government agencies in Washington. Big agencies. The biggest, let's say.

What I learned in my capacity as marketing director for this company (producing case studies and whitepapers about the inefficiency of the government's business process management systems) would make your hair stand on end.

You think the "gubbermint" is hi-tech? They wish they were hi-tech. I did case studies of large agencies that were still using 1970s computer technology. I saw agencies struggling to make antiquated dedicated systems jump through hoops, with little or no success. Consistently, across the board, I saw government agencies swimming in paperwork, trying to eliminate paperwork, trying to upgrade to 1980s technology in the year 2006!

In other words, the paper link is the government's weakest link.

Seriously, if you wanted to bring the U.S. government to a grinding halt, all you do is increase its paper load. Your overburdened government workers will run screaming into the streets.

Not a secret, it's common knowledge in DC.

— Doc Velocity

The ones who commit crimes with firearms are more likely to have acquired the gun illegally. That means the bad guys will still have no problem gaining access to the guns that have been illegally sold. So they are taking the rights away from people who go through the process to own a firearm that protects their right to secure their life. Yet the people who use guns for robbery, carjackings, gang shootings, etc. will be practically untouched by this law.
That even further puts people in harms way, and they know this. They are not stupid people.
They must know that they pushed us a little too hard and the shoves are starting to wake us up. They are getting scared and it is starting to show. Why else would they take our guns away? Don't they know that it will soon come to a point where their agendas become completely obvious? When more people start to see what is happening on the small scale every day, the bigger picture will come into focus and tptb will lose all credibility and power. I guess they don't realize that when they try to take our tools of survival and freedom away they will effectively narrow their chances of ever gaining total control to one in a billion.

Originally posted by patent98310
They are getting scared and it is starting to show. Why else would they take our guns away? Don't they know that it will soon come to a point where their agendas become completely obvious?

For the record, the U.S. government's corrupt anti-gun, anti-militia, anti-American agenda was blown wide open for all to see by the Ruby Ridge Incident in 1992. From that one incident and the court cases surrounding it, we learned a lot of very nasty stuff about our benevolent central government.

For example, we learned that our government was spying on private citizens, that our government was entrapping private citizens, that our government was coercing private citizens to become informants, that our government would authorize the use of deadly force for a "failure to appear" warrant, and that government agents can murder private citizens with impunity.

Every damned thing I just listed is a FACT. The U.S. Government finally settled with Randy Weaver, paying him a few million dollars after murdering his wife, his son, his dog and getting a U.S. Marshal killed in the process. Oh yeah, let's just throw a few million bucks at it and watch it disappear.

And that all went down because a BATF agent tried to sting Randy Weaver with a bogus sawed-off shotgun request. Weaver was baited, then they killed his family. That's the tall and the short of it. Mind that it doesn't happen again.

The message we need to send today is that we will not tolerate the unconstitutional tactics, the governmental corruption, the governmental immunity and the anti-American BULLSHÎT coming down from Washington with their global union puppeteers pulling the strings.

— Doc Velocity





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Yes it is true, bringing D.C. to a grinding halt is only part of it. I have another part, but wish to keep it underwraps.

I am lucky to have been gifted the knowledge of the system and the way the world is. I see now what the elite do to people and it makes me think how am I supposed to accomplish much of anything.

I have my plan in current implementation and it is something I wish to not talk about for my safety.

All I can say is study Admiralty Law, Common Law, Civil Law, and some other books I can post if anyone is interested. Go to a Law library and browse around.

There is a child provision clause on page 16 section 305 stating a child-access provision. Gun must be locked and inaccessible to any child under 18. -They would have the right to come and inspect that you are storing your gun safely away from accessibility to children and fine is punishable for up to 5 yrs. in prison.

Ahem.. um .. Mr. Government: My child, whom I would properly teach gun safety, how to handle, how to shoot, exactly where the gun is at, etc, can use a firearm as I deem fit. Whether they are 10 or 17, that's my choice. If you have a problem with that, well.. I don't really give a !@% .. screw off.

The only people in America we don't want to have guns are Criminals and Feds. The Feds gave them selves all the guns and latest toys to use against us, try to take our guns away, while doing nothing about the criminals.

Talk about backwards logic. I want to see someone sneak a "revision" that takes the guns from federal agents.

Good luck with that. If they want to take your children awat for profit CPS will use that excuse now. no need to wait on that law.

Understood, and thank you!

I'm not in a militia, nor do I foresee joining a militia, but I keep all of my anti-government sentiments out in the open, where they can see it. I write it, I speak it, I spend it, and I live it everyday.

Under no circumstances should the government make law or enforce law that violates the Constitution. Plain and simple.

Yet we see it happening.

The Healthcare Bill is unconstitutional, for one example, and the Bailout (Stimulus) Bill was unconstitutional, and the Bailout Bill before that (under Bush) was unconstitutional. What we are seeing, but not recognizing, is a flood of unconstitutional legislation. It's coming in, they're trying to ram it all through for reasons we can only imagine, because it's sure as hell not for the benefit of America.

What we do know for a fact is that all this unconstitutional legislation — when it passes — creates a hellstorm of red tape and paperwork.

Right back to paperwork.

Which is a weapon.

Don't ever think they don't know what they're doing. They do. They want to create a paperload that crashes America, okay? That's what they're doing up there in Washington, they're striving to to crash. America.

Once the system goes down, that's when we start this very amicable discussion about "fine tuning" the Constitution... (behind closed doors, of course) THEN we shred the Constitution and write our own ticket, which will overthrow everything good for which America ever stood. You think I'm a prophet, you think I'm predicting? I am.

It's gonna happen.

I see the present, I see the technology, I see current events, I can put 2 and 2 together. That's all it takes to be a prophet on this issue.

— Doc Velocity







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About time you get some gun-control! Even if only regular, nice people own guns, we know for a fact that all humans tend to act irrationaly in given circumstances. An irrational average joe with a gun is far worse than an average joe with a pair of scissors.

However, I agree on the fact that the process is done under the table, which is never good.

Only a population living in constant fear will feel the need to own an arsenal of guns. I hope your government will stop scaring you someday...

Originally posted by phlake
Only a population living in constant fear will feel the need to own an arsenal of guns.
I hope your government will stop scaring you someday...

You ever heard of this West African proverb: "Speak softly and carry a big stick, you will go far" Do you know what that means? It became Teddy Roosevelt's catch-phrase, often misquoted. He was the big stick president, he kicked ass and took names.

My point is, there is still a glowing layer of us "big stick" people in America, below the crass and cold and shallow crust of secular liberalism — we wait. We are not fearful, but we are courageous and we are prepared to physically and mentally accept whatever challenges the scum-sucking central government sends down the pipeline.

Who was it said a people should never live in fear of the government, but the government should live in fear of the people? Was that Sam Clemens?

Whoever it was, I'd buy him a Coke.

— Doc Velocity





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It is as if you didn't even respond. At least you tried.