U.S. Troops handcuff, execute 8 Afghan children

Originally posted by jerico65

You sure do seem to enjoy just finding that, "The US military slaughters innocent civilians!!!!" and hammering it, without any proof other than the single story from someones blog.

Here's another "U.S. military slaughters" story in case you missed it...
www.wsws.org...

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yeah, i can't even think of a motive why Afghani gov. officials would side with the American side... surely it can't be that they're afraid to speak out.. i mean it's not like the US chose to increase their military presence in Afghanistan just some weeks ago..

Sounds like a bunch of crap to me. For one thing, why go to the trouble of dragging them out of bed when a simple frag 'n' torch job would do the trick nicely? And if you're going to do this kind of thing, would you really pose with them first and take pictures? Sorry but this really makes no sense.

Originally posted by rainfall
Here's another "U.S. military slaughters" story in case you missed it...
www.wsws.org...

"World Socialist Website"

Yeah, no agenda going on there.

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They aren't denying ignorance, they're wallowing in it. Ah well, I guess if they go to bed feeling sanctified for showing their ignorance, and acting like good little members of the herd so be it. If the shtf ever, they'll be the ones begging the same military to save them.

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Yes, you make a point. Just as I can make a point by saying that I can think of any number of motivations for it to be made to look like, or it to be simply presumed that this was lead by US troops. This argument works both ways, is still speculation, but at least speculation is not presented as fact (one would hope) and that is a very big difference.


[edit on 8-1-2010 by LadySkadi]

Originally posted by Ionut

Originally posted by Acid_Burn2009
I have volunteered; they have volunteered to put their lives on the line to help protect the freedoms that most Americans take for granted.

don't you think that you're just a tad self-righteous. i mean it's not like any of the countries that the US has invaded has ever declared war on America... it makes you wonder how it would have been like if the tens of thousands of people that chose to go Iraq would have preferred to defend American values by giving out copies of the bill of rights..

..ah, I'm a dreamer..

Big difference in being "self righteous" and having confidence in one's actions and abilities. Self righteous, not at all. Confident in myself, most assuredly. American values? Seriously? What are they because they have all but disappeared. Since you seem to be so intelligent, please enlighten us all. Better yet, enlist and do something for your country. You are part of the problem with this country. You and your lack of respect for anyone or anything. You and others like you are the reason our once great country is quickly spiraling down the toilet. You can sit back in your nice comfy existence and criticize everyone and everything but still take no action to make things any better.
I am sure this post will get flagged by mods but oh well. People like this enrage me, think they have all the answers.

Originally posted by jerico65

"World Socialist Website"

Yeah, no agenda going on there.

Is this one bogus too..?....

Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
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Can I quote you on that? The OP should not have to prove anything? Wow, so any link is now acceptable, and above reproach? This thread was only placed here as a star and flag boosting thread in my opinion. I like that though, the OP doesn't have to prove anything.......awesome, sounds like most of the MSM.

First off - the OP is NOT the one making the claim - the article he or she linked to is. The OP linked to the article and copied verbatim the headline and posted it to the forum - in fact that is well with the rules of ATS and a requirement for "Breaking News" forum topics (although this was not posted in Breaking News).

Secondly, if the OP expressed at any other point in the thread a belief, then they are not required anymore than you are to PROVE their belief.

Third, if an OP has to PROVE their topic, then you can ban all the Atlantis threads, Alien or UFO threads, Bigfoot threads, etc. etc. since NONE of those can be proven either.

Why should the OP of this topic have to then go out and PROVE these soldiers in question did or did not kill these students? He or she raised the topic for discussion. And it's a topic well worth discussing.

Please don't quote me, when you are obviously quoting and attacking sombody else.

"ps: Mikeyy, I don't know my "reply to" posted above has your name on it, it was meant for an earlier poster above you. Apologies!
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Ok thanks, didnt get that far yet.

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What's next, the National Enquirer? Seriously, I didn't know you could use any source, as most people try and debunk any source they disagree with. I would think with a thread like this designed to be an American military bashing thread you'd use a more respectable source,

Anybody on here who believes the death of children is justified in any war, ever, deserves the payback the universe WILL give them. Whether you believe in god, karma, or whatever, may not be right away, or even in this lifetime, but they'll get what they got coming. They have every right to fight us, just as we would fight if the USA came under occupation, and although i find it disgusting that parents would use their kids to fight their battles, i find it much more disgusting that our soldiers would hurt children, REGARDLESS of whether they had anything to do with planting IED's. Kids will do what their parents tell them, no matter what country they live in. We're occupying a country, if you don't want to deal with the risks that come with that, WITHOUT losing your humanity, you should have never joined the military to begin with. The lives of children should trump the lives of soldiers, in EVERY situation. Any REAL man, with any honor, understands that.

Originally posted by Ionut

Originally posted by Mikeyy
Third, It has been proven before, that terrorists are in possesion of authentic US uniforms.

and we can assume that US secret service operatives can get hold of Islamic outfits...

what is this man trying to tell us?

I wasnt aware there was a formal "Jihadist" uniform

Oh wait, there isnt, so the Secret Service doesnt have any. Also you do know the Secret Service is designed to protect the President, they don't have anything to do with the middle east.

Originally posted by factbeforefiction
Sounds like a bunch of crap to me. For one thing, why go to the trouble of dragging them out of bed when a simple frag 'n' torch job would do the trick nicely? And if you're going to do this kind of thing, would you really pose with them first and take pictures? Sorry but this really makes no sense.

why would US soldiers take pictures of themselves abusing prisoners at Guantanamo?

let's be realistic. some of the people joining the army aren't brain surgeons..

Originally posted by 27jd
Anybody on here who believes the death of children is justified in any war, ever, deserves the payback the universe WILL give them. Whether you believe in god, karma, or whatever, may not be right away, or even in this lifetime, but they'll get what they got coming. They have every right to fight us, just as we would fight if the USA came under occupation, and although i find it disgusting that parents would use their kids to fight their battles, i find it much more disgusting that our soldiers would hurt children, REGARDLESS of whether they had anything to do with planting IED's. Kids will do what their parents tell them, no matter what country they live in. We're occupying a country, if you don't want to deal with the risks that come with that, WITHOUT losing your humanity, you should have never joined the military to begin with. The lives of children should trump the lives of soldiers, in EVERY situation. Any REAL man, with any honor, understands that.

You just keep telling yourself that, next time you are in Afrika, and a 9 year old boy opens fire on you with an AK-47.

He's just doing what mommy told him AMIRITE? What about that one teenager that shot up the Bus in Isreal, He did what mom told him, and the Isrealies dropped him on the spot. Who wrong?

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of course there is.. they work in teams of 7 and each one is dressed in one of the colors of rainbows..

PS secret service operatives also keep an eye on embassies

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Originally posted by 27jd
Anybody on here who believes the death of children is justified in any war, ever, deserves the payback the universe WILL give them. Whether you believe in god, karma, or whatever, may not be right away, or even in this lifetime, but they'll get what they got coming. They have every right to fight us, just as we would fight if the USA came under occupation, and although i find it disgusting that parents would use their kids to fight their battles, i find it much more disgusting that our soldiers would hurt children, REGARDLESS of whether they had anything to do with planting IED's. Kids will do what their parents tell them, no matter what country they live in. We're occupying a country, if you don't want to deal with the risks that come with that, WITHOUT losing your humanity, you should have never joined the military to begin with. The lives of children should trump the lives of soldiers, in EVERY situation. Any REAL man, with any honor, understands that.

What gives you the right to determine who/what is honorable? Have you been deployed to a comabt zone? Have you ever been shot at by someone wanting to kill you? Have you ever had to take someones life, even if you did not want to? Yes, we are occupying a country to help them rebuild (and to line the pockets of Haliburton execs) a country we partially helped destroy in the search for insurgents and non-existent WMDs. What is despicable is the parents that strap bombs to thier innocent children and tell them to run into a vehicle check point. Perhaps you should flame them and not the military for trying to stop things like that. Maybe we should just hunt down all militant radicals (of any religion) and put them on an island and nuke it. Problem solved...no need to occupy Iraq of Afghan anymore. Even then the bleeding hearts would come out of the woodwork.
One particular incident in Iraq comes to mind to exemplify the way these radicals think. Without going into to much detail, you will get the basic gist of the story:
Insurgents put a man (perfectly capable of walking himself) into a wheel chair and rolled home through an entry checkpoint completely disregarding all of our escalation of force protocols . All this was done with a another videotaping from afar...just to see ehat we would do. Had the man in the wheelchair been shot it would have made world news in hours yet again portraying us as the bad guys.

Fine, all the military should walk out of their jobs and leave you all to fend for yourselves...then you would all be screaming for help from the military when you need it. Your double standards sicken me.

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And obviously alot of members here aren't brain surgeons either. But, you can't blame the liberal sheeple really, it must get tiresome hating themselves, hence the attacks on things they wish they could do.

Originally posted by Mikeyy
You just keep telling yourself that, next time you are in Afrika, and a 9 year old boy opens fire on you with an AK-47.

If i'm in AfriCa minding my own business, i don't see why a 9 year old with an AK-47 would have any interest in opening fire on me. If you're in Africa occupying somebody else's homeland, to secure the interests of greedy, fat corporate sons of bitches, you know, the ones who will use our military, and our tax money to expand their personal bank accounts, then you should expect to dodge a 7.62 every now and again. There is NO honor in killing kids, and there is no honor in the current wars being fought. Fighting terrorist organizations with uniformed military is ridiculous. Special forces hunter killer teams, who are DISCIPLINED enough to pick the right target, and good enough that a 9 year with heavy a$$ AK-47 can't get the drop on them, are who are needed for this type of asymetrical warfare, not large numbers of troops trained to fight OTHER troops. People don't like foreign troops laying down the law in their homeland. I don't blame them.

Originally posted by Acid_Burn2009
Maybe we should just hunt down all militant radicals (of any religion) and put them on an island and nuke it. Problem solved...no need to occupy Iraq of Afghan anymore. Even then the bleeding hearts would come out of the woodwork.

Would this list include the present and past administration?

Congress.

Originally posted by Acid_Burn2009
What gives you the right to determine who/what is honorable? Have you been deployed to a comabt zone? Have you ever been shot at by someone wanting to kill you? Have you ever had to take someones life, even if you did not want to? Yes, we are occupying a country to help them rebuild (and to line the pockets of Haliburton execs) a country we partially helped destroy in the search for insurgents and non-existent WMDs.

Blah blah blah. Again, those areas shouldn't even BE combat zones. War, with honor, is meant to be fought between 2 uniformed forces on a BATTLEFIELD. Where there should be NO children. Our military is NOT meant to police populations, they are meant to fight OTHER military forces. Not children. You even admit we're lining the pockets of haliburton execs, yet you defend their evil? That's how bad things have obviously gotten in this country.

Maybe we should just hunt down all militant radicals (of any religion) and put them on an island and nuke it.

That i can agree with. Organized religion is the root of SO much senseless death, if any of the fairy tails are true, it can only be the tool of the devil.

Fine, all the military should walk out of their jobs and leave you all to fend for yourselves...then you would all be screaming for help from the military when you need it. Your double standards sicken me.

I'm fine with that, i have the means to defend my loved ones if needed. I don't trust that the people who currently control our military have our best interests at heart anyway.