Berkeley High Poised to Eliminate Science Classes Because They’re Too “White”

reply to post by smyleegrl

I have a somewhat different perspective. You want to really fix education in America? Then cough up the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!!!!!!!!!

And that's the problem! Schooling funding is determined by property tax, which is BS! I pay the same amount of taxes as the next person but (if i had kids) my child school won't get the same funding because my house and land aren't as valuable as the ones in the next neighborhood.

The unfortunate part is that if a parent wants their kid to get an education that means something, they ship them off to private school.

reply to post by cenpuppie


You left out the core part of my arguement:

The fact is they came right out and said they were getting rid of the labs because they were "too white". That's the definition of idiocy.

THIS is the root of the whole cortrovercy.

The school can redirect their resources to better benifit the minority students and no one would complain. I think it's a nobel goal.

Shooting off their mouths and saying a certain lab is "too white" however is racist and implies the minorities are too stupid for that lab.

It also smacks of liberal PC pandering if you ask me.

reply to post by FortAnthem

Shooting off their mouths and saying a certain lab is "too white" however is racist and implies the minorities are too stupid for that lab.

How is saying a lab is "too white" racist? Because folks love to toss that word around with using correctly. Isn't that they are just telling like it is. It's like me saying that the NBA is mostly black then i'm a racist to? Or since the Russians and slavic countries have a high representation in the NHL, that must be racist too eh?

I never missed the core of your argument. And like i said earlier, where i gave examples, of certain segments of society being reexamined because it was too black. The difference is, no one had to say it "too black"...

Lebron James really hurt the NBA higherups, hehe

reply to post by cenpuppie


if you see people as colors your a racist simple as that, all this "we need so many of each race in every grop" is nuts its like saying we need so many people of a certain hight or short/tall people will feel bad its just insane.

takeing from one race to give to another is racist, thay are all given the same chance in each class i assume. its not the white kids fault thay do better in one subject so dont punish them for it and why should minoritys get extra help at the expence of others thats not EQUALITY its RACIST

i see alot of minoritys/hard left seem to think its fair payback for somethings that happend before any of us were even born, if you do think i should pay for my ancetors mistakes/crimes please explane why?i could not do anything about it

everyone should get the same chace to sink or swim if more of one color swim its not racist it just the way it is

Let's just eliminate school and learning all together.

Because we all know that the smarter you are the whiter you become.

It seems that the original article doesn't come from a credible source. I'll wait to comment once something credible is presented. The original quote is from someone discussing "lefties" and their focus on how bad the "race" thing is getting.

The truth of the matter is this is as it stands just some conservative making a baseless point. Test scores in America are declining. Blacks don't represent a large enough share of America to statistically be the reason for this, so whites are obviously having problems with exams/learning. It stands to reason since whites make up the majority of the population and minorities have been historically denied education.

It's cool to point fingers at blacks and talk about "being responsible for one self" but it seems very few point fingers at themselves.

reply to post by Aceofclubs


I'll try to explain why you should pay for it. (AND SO SHOULD I and all Americans) Throughout American history the US government has sanctioned terrorism against blacks. It used its military, police force, CIA, FBI etc... to avert the progress of independent blacks via its infiltration. As a result of this blacks don't control the economy of their community.

Think about this for a second. America keeps track of its balance of trade with other nations. It records/compares what is imported/exported. Many are concerned when US jobs go overseas because of the effect it has on the American economy. In America if blacks do the exact same thing they are considered racist. Yet history has more often than not shown that if blacks don't maintain their own economic destiny, that they will suffer what ever whim whites happen to feel is deserved to them.

America owes a debt to those it terrorizes. When it goes to Iraq and tears # up, it stays for the purpose of "nation building".

The actual "nation building" in America was done on the backs of blacks (and others) with no real nation building as a remedy. The solution was 'Well we won't do it anymore, we are over what we did to you. We don't see you as sub human anymore."

It's a funny thing to hear white America say it has moved on from racism but blacks refuse to. (As if white America had anything done to it to have to move on from).

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reply to post by nphillydude


The original article does provide links to two other sorces:

The American Thinker

Yeah, this one is a right wing opinion piece as well, but the second is a local area source which seems to present a more balanced presentation of the facts.

East Bay Express


[edit on 10-1-2010 by FortAnthem]

After reading the second article, I now understand this isn't really about race, it's about resources. They are saying they want to redirect the resources to areas where they are needed to help the achievement gap between minorities and whites. I'd be curious if the whites/minorities in the school come from similar social economic status in their communities.

This is a STUPID idea as it seems, but it seems they must be desperate for resources anytime they are contemplating cutting Science lab. There must be something else that can be cut instead. You don't make school better by removing parts of school.

Hell if our government can write blank checks for wars it would seem a school in America shouldn't have such scarce resources. Too bad there's no oil under the school.

reply to post by Justaposter

WTH type of message is this supposed to send out?

It's called improving self esteem. You see if Little Jonnie can't read/write/arithmetic up to a reasonable standard you give him an "A" anyway, it'll make him feel good about himself...

Oh, goody... Then Little Jonnie graduates from high school being completely unable to perform to any standard that a university would deem acceptable, but loaded with self esteem...he'll hit a wall like a bug on a windshield. ...and he'll never know why.

Lowest common denominator. Forward at the speed of the slowest. Punish the kid who is bored out of his/her mind by putting them on drugs, because they're obviously hyperactive/suffering from ADHD...

So in fifty years or so...when I'm suffering from really, really old age (I'll be 97 yrs old), I'll be working to support the system, because I, and you, will be the only truly educated ones left...

That's what they're thinking. Though they'll deny it to their dieing breathe.

Fair is fair....
• we should eliminate and abolish all college and pro football and basketball because it's mainly black
• we should also abolish rap and hip hop music and videos because their mainly all black
• we should abolish math and med science because it's swarming with Asians
• we should also abolish banking and the entire media because it's mainly run and operated by Jews
• we should abolish all Dunkin Donuts and 7-Eleven's because they are run by Indians and Pakistani's
• actually we should just throw out everyone in the United States who isn't white Euro/Anglo Christian....put them all on boats and let them find a better place to live....put an end to political correctness for good.....

Without white people.......you wouldn't have the America everyone wants a piece of.



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reply to post by rocknroll


LOL and without minorities you wouldn't have that America either. Also you speak of the NBA being predominantly black but there's nothing stopping whites from participating at the player level. There NEVER was. There's nothing stopping whites from making rap records (or any other black music). There never was (ask Elvis). But Historically there has been a force in white society that has been sanctioned by the Government to limit the participation of minorities in the economic structure of the nation.

Speaking of the NBA is an attempt to divert from the actual problem with non solutions.

And what do you think would give whites the right to throw out Non whites? What gives whites more right to America than anyone else? Is it because they stole it? Or because they developed it after stealing it. So if I take your house and put a paint job on it and a new roof, can I demand that you move to some other house?

[edit on 10-1-2010 by nphillydude]

Originally posted by nphillydude
reply to post by rocknroll

 

LOL and without minorities you wouldn't have that America either. Also you speak of the NBA being predominantly black but there's nothing stopping whites from participating at the player level. There NEVER was. There's nothing stopping whites from making rap records (or any other black music). There never was (ask Elvis). But Historically there has been a force in white society that has been sanctioned by the Government to limit the participation of minorities in the economic structure of the nation.

wait, wait...so, if nothing is stopping whites from being in the NBA, being rappers, etc...what is stopping these minorities from taking these classes that are "too white"? My guess is nothing is stopping them. In most high schools, students pick their classes. So we shouldn't be talking about cutting a science because it is "obviously only helping the white kids", we should be asking why it is the minorities are not enrolling in these classes. Is it because they are opting out of classes that will challenge their critical thinking for easier classes or classes that won't require as much of their focus? Is it because it because they see it is mostly whites taking the classes and are afraid of what their peers may think of them? Maybe it is a self esteem thing and they just don't think they are good enough for these classes. I don't understand why when situations arise, people don't ask the real questions, they throw money at it. Money doesn't fix everything, sometimes it takes hard work.

reply to post by numo16


Well you are taking a short sighted look at a complex problem. What the article was discussing was directing limited funding to other areas where there is more of a need. To argue that there's nothing stopping minorities the same as there is nothing stopping whites from being in the NBA ignores the history of discrimination in America. Why is it simply enough to say "well we quit we won't discriminate against you any more??" What about the economic inequity that exists as a direct result of the society intentionally not allowing blacks progress in education? What about the time that blacks haven't had full access. Does it remedy the situation to say "OK we don't to that anymore" But any problem you have from when we did is on you. Pull yourself up by your bootstraps nevermind the fact that we took your boots.

reply to post by nphillydude


so what you want is revenge? theres no WE, just because my skin is the same as some crazy guys who did some bad stuff before my time i should be punished you are a total racist my friend and have a dangerous point of view. if every one thought like you we would all team up with our respective colors and try and wipe each other out, would you like to live in that world? if not see people not colors

if you want to talk about the past, do you think all the white Americans who fought for and won blacks there freedom would have gone to war if thay knew there descendents would be punished for being white...i think most would not

it is ment tobe about Eqaulity not revenge

reply to post by Aceofclubs


BUT

That's where you're wrong. I don't seek to "punish" you. Where did I suggest any "revenge" ? I'm not seeking "revenge" I'm seeking remedy.

If a bunch of chinese invaders took white people to China and you stayed there as slaves and were denied education, housing, equality that was enforced for multiple years and you took on the name of "white American Chinese" where your community's economics were controlled by people that were not Americans would it be wrong for you to seek a remedy for fixing the situation? Why do you expect blacks to merely pretend the past didn't happen and there's no racism today? If they don't pretend everything is peachy today, you claim they want "revenge".
I never mentioned anything resembling revenge. I didn't mention wiping you out or having anything against you. I mentioned a desire for the economic destiny of African Americans to be controlled by African Americans. Why is this counter to you? I'm pretty sure you think America's economy should be controlled by America (it's not but most aren't thrilled about it.) So why can't blacks control their own econmics?

You are willing to allow the injustice to go without remedy so you will punish blacks And call me a racist. I'm probably aware of more of the whites that assisted in ending the terrorism against blacks than you could possibly fathom.

You see what you want is for us to move on from where we are now as if the past never happened. Blacks don't control the economy of their community. I'm all for them having control over the economics of their community. How is this punishment for you?


What was done to blacks wasn't just about hatred it was about economics and today the black community's economics is not controlled by black people. You speak of equality and say that's the goal but you don't really want equality. If one group gains an economic advantage from a history of terrorism against another group, HOW can you even POSSIBLY bring about equality without a transfer of wealth from the first group that gained an economic advantage to the second? In your eyes that would be unfair. So you don't really want equality. You want to leave the inequality in place and tell blacks to get it how ever they get it.








[edit on 10-1-2010 by nphillydude]

Originally posted by heyo
They are themselves, so racist, that they believe that white people will succeed no matter how many times they are punished for their success.
They believe they are the caretakers of other races, always there to give, no matter what affect it has.

They see blacks, and hispanics as less capable. So logic dictates to them that in order for the less capable to equal the more capable, we must not educate the more capable so that they equal the less capable.

I refer to it as the lawnmower effect. It's like cutting a lawn so that the blades that grow higher, and faster do not shade the blades that grow slower. You get a more even look to your lawn that way.

reply to post by nphillydude



i never benefited from anyone but me and no one can change the past, but still i am supposed to not mind about minoritys getting benefits not open to me and listen to this "oh but look what whites did before you were here"?. i asked why i should pay for this and you answered, WRONG i should not pay for any one but me i didn't have any involvement in the past i have no vast fortune from my ancestors and see my self as equal to anyone who trys as hard as me. but when you start saying i and all whites should pay(as you did on the last page) its racist. it makes me think. these people(not minoritys but anyone with this whitey owes the world attitude) are trying to take from me unfairly. i am just me i am not all whites, don`t tar us all with the same brush or say i should pay for others mistakes

my point is it dose not matter what your excuse if you see color YOUR A RACIST so the class can`t be too white without a racist deciding its too white
it ether matters or it doesn't pick one

PS maybe i should work for free 1 day a month for a minority would you like that would that REMEDY the situation enough, its not gonna happen, i owe no one

oh and your what if on china i would simply hope to be accepted as asgood as the next pennyless china man because the criminals would be long dead. i`d accept justice silped away in time. an injustice(by me) against the current population would be as bad as my ancestors would have sufferd by being enslaved

reply to post by Aceofclubs


I didn't say "Whitey" owed. I said America owes for the actions of its government. You don't believe that. You are fine with taking advantage of the assets of America but you want no part of its debts and what happened or who it terrorized for you to have those benefits. You in a discussion of a topic choose to call me a racist. I've called you NOTHING. I've discussed my views on a topic with no personal attack or assessment of you. You can't do the same, because you feel inclined to make the discussion personal.

You say you owe no one, but we all stand on the shoulders of those before us. You say you have no wealth from being white but comparatively the white community DOES have more wealth than the black community in America because of the ills of the past.

So you are truly not interested in equality. You are interested in an equal start from today forward in terms of earnings and ignoring what has happened to put the black community economically where it is today. I'm ok with that. It doesnt cause me to call you dangerous or say you are a racist. Though you are in favor of allowing an inequity caused by racism to go without correction or remedy.

Just don't say you are for equality because you obviously are not.

Any correction to you is racist. But keeping it exactly the same without redress is absolutely fair in your eyes.

At least I know what I'm dealing with. You see unfairness as fair. (Not much different from many whites in the previous generations. It's the same general mindset. Blacks are due whatever fairness you deem fair and you ultimately control it. Anyone who disagrees causes you to start yelling names and making a personal assessment of them as though YOU are fit to make that judgement (As you have here in a respectful discussion where I've done nothing of the sort to you in return.)

You say blacks have an "unfair" leg up but somehow the number of government contracts awarded don't reflect that. The income numbers don't reflect that. The unemployment numbers don't reflect that. The wealth of the black community doesn't reflect that.

So all that you have is your view of fairness as evidence and even as NOTHING has been done to whites (as a group) that is nearly comparative to the terrorism blacks have endured at the hands of white society in America (you can say it wasn't all but it was at least most because it was made the law of the land and the people ultimately determine that) YOU feel emotionally compelled to hurl insults and make judgements that blacks are holding someone else's past against you. We ALL stand on the shoulders of the past (one that blacks are still turning pages to get beyond every year with new black "firsts" though those firsts matter little when blacks don't control the economies of their communities.)

I don't desire to hurt you. I don't desire to insult you. I simply desire for the economics of the community of black people to be controlled by black people And to you that makes me a racist. Race is a man made designation and so is nationhood. I'm sure you wouldn't be ok with immigrants coming in and running America's economy. Do you complain about job losses from jobs going overseas? Immigration problems? If so Sr. You aren't practicing what you are preaching or suggesting that blacks or I do in this thread.

You see you are perfectly fine with declaring what is fair to blacks but you wouldn't want those same shoes. The mere THOUGHT of the black community having control economically of their own community makes you start yelling names and throws intelligent adult discussion out of the window..

Instead of repairing the inequality u leave it on the shoulders of blacks alone and pretend you have no benefit.

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reply to post by nphillydude




You see that's the problem with racism and inequality in America. It only exists if whites say it does. Otherwise blacks have to accept the inequality as fairness. You say you never benefitted from anyone and some how all people in America can say the same thing still the economic ills of the past are still there for the black community. So though one community is comparatively less wealthy because of these ills, the other can easily say "well I have no benefit" and that ends the discussion. You control what is fair. You deem there should be no remedy (though we both know statistically there is an inequality that stems from these ills of this society in a chapter it simply wants to turn the page on without fully addressing). You claim there is no need to address it.

And you feel the moral authority to call me a racist.

This is almost laughable.