Questions about god

I do not think there is a god and i got some questions about him. Take it easy on me this is my first thread. Here are my questions.

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

If this passage is right should we of been here for the past 4b years.

If there is one why would he punish all of the human race for the act of 1 person.
He is supposed to be all caring and forgiv people for there sins right?

If there was one why would we live in pretty much hell?

Who created him? i know that gets asked alot but o well.

If were all brothers and sisters woudn't we have alot more problems with our bodys because of the incest thing?

I think religon was only created to scare people into what they think you should live by. Some i agree with but alot i don't.

Plz be nice and don't batter me with religon stuff i would just like my questions answersed.

reply to post by gtasa234


Thats because god is a MITH...

There is No god.. very simple "only function"

I think the god you are referring to in the bible is far from being the true one eternal creator responsible for all things as he has so many imperfections that are also human attributes.

I think the biblical god is a character created by kings to scare their subjects.

If he does exist, I believe him to be a demigod, far from divine, perhaps existing as the culmination of our collective conciousness on a higher density of spiritual existence.


God I think is the manifestation of intelligent concious probability arranging itself into many constants and offshoots thereof to find itself within it`s own self. Each one supporting the previous and the next and each as much the source as the next yet so much farther removed than the one before it.

Read my Sig, it`s a quote from the Law of One



edit S&F, good debating point.

[edit on 6-1-2010 by psilo simon]

I think the problem here is that you're using a book that you have no faith in to define divinity.

I answer you that, I don't think God "does" any of these things(including exsisting), per se. What is exsistence anyways? I think it's remarkable that things like Hate, Love, Greed, (list emotions ad infinitum) and also our concepts of right or wrong necessitate an opinion, or faith based on your personal interpretations of the world around you. To me, God falls into this category, actually...fully constitutes this category.

But rather than evade your direct questions I'll throw some hypotheses your way.


"[Genesis I...]If this passage is right should we of been here for the past 4b years."

Well if the Ancient Civilizations like the Incas or the Egyptians or the Sumerians (anything at the dawn of recorded time) are any indication; Perhaps we have been. Theres no absolute way to know first hand; unless you personally want to get into archeaology or ancient history yourself you will always find conflicting information from equally legit-seeming sources. Does the age of the world have any bearing on directing our actions now(which is supposedly God's domain)? Not really, if you have the intelligence to see the flaws in the moment and the ability to move in a postive direction from there, why wouldn't you?

"If there is one why would he punish all of the human race for the act of 1 person. He is supposed to be all caring and forgiv people for there sins right? "

Don't you do the same when you pass judgement over a group of people based on the actions of few? And does not the perpetuation of that sort of judgemental thinking that causes suffering? But at the same time within what I hope is all of us is the potential to forgive and love. Learn a bit about psychology, you'll learn about the amazing powers of forgiveness and love and understand on the human psyche. Remember those things are qualities of God as well.

"Who created God"
God isnt created, but creates.

I'm sorry you're asking for non-religious answers to a religious question.

((Oh and the incest thing, thats just pure BS, just like everything we fabricate. The bible was written by man, this was written by man, the point is all moot. Try to do good. Whatever.))

[edit on 6-1-2010 by dinahshore]

Lol. Your talking about religion, not god.
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[edit on 6-1-2010 by gandhi]

ok that answers some of my questions i do find it hard that there is a person looming over us. It just don't seem possible with our current knowledge. So how many of u believe in a god. Who else out there thinks the way i do? I think there is no god.

You're the person looming over yourself.

OOOOoooooOOOOOOooooOOOOOOO

Lighten up

lol I was just bored so i created this thought i would get people thinking.

reply to post by gtasa234



I believe what I wrote in my post up there.

If you dont believe in a god, how do you explain us and the universe?

And what of conciousness?

I think that because were close to the sun the radiation cause us to slowley mutate to what we are today. The big bang i think was a supernova exploding cause there were most likley universes that got created by something in another universe.

[edit on 6-1-2010 by gtasa234]

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There is No god.. very simple "only function"

Only a very inexperienced fool would make such a claim. No one can make this claim without full knowledge of the universe. Do you posses
such knowledge? If so then you are God and you have gone insane
because you argue that you do not exist.

THE CLAIM THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST IS VERY NIEVE AND SHOWS A LACK OF UNDERSTANDING AT THE MOMENT IT IS UTTERED.

RANDYVIOUS

[edit on 6-1-2010 by randyvs]

reply to post by gtasa234


The bible was written thousands of years ago, before we had any knowledge about the way the universe really works.

People were still asking the same questions we do today, such as "where did we come from" and "how did everything begin?". With such a limited scientific frame to work with, the only logical answers that could be conceived was that "God" or "The Gods" created everything.

The God from the bible is not really the God that is real, as almost any academic or scientist who believes in higher power will tell you.

As Einstein and Michio Kaku say:

"I don't really believe in the God of the bible and religions, but in the God of nature and harmony; the God you can see in the beauty that is the universe and everything in it."

There is a lot of suggestion towards intelligent design because of the way the universe works.

The laws of physics, to be created in such a perfect flawless way, in the "randomness" that we are supposed to live in, suggest that someone may have designed them. I remember reading that if you would leave it up to chance to make these laws, the chance of them being made so perfectly is the equivalent of throwing a dart to the earth from the moon, and hitting a target the size of an atom. Anything less would cause chaos and no life.

Gravity has also been perfectly tuned. I also remember reading that gravity's valued set could be pictured as 1 channel on one of those old horizontal radio dials, as long as the entire universe itself. 1 centimeter in either direction would create a universe where life would be impossible.

Generally speaking, when you think about it, the universe, and us, according to atheists, should be impossible.

S&F

I have just the equation to solve the riddle.

God is a monkey. Man is a monkey. Therefore we are gods. Creating our own stories about who we are and why we are here to help us cope with the nonsensical absurdities of life.



[edit on 6-1-2010 by The Blind Eye]

I see your points, and, to clarify, I was not too long ago an atheist. Whatever is said in my post is not to be taken as angry, judgmental, dismissive, or any other similar thing.

If you look closely at that verse, it specifies that day was separated from night. This could, effectively, be a reference to the beginning of recordable time here on earth, aka. the formation of the earth around the sun OR the big bang, I'm not sure.

He gave Adam and eve, from what we know, the perfect life. All they had to do was: NOT EAT THAT FRUIT! and, guess what they did? If you look at collective consciousness, we deserve it... because we are them. And we make the same exact decision, with different details, every time we do anything that we define as "sin", aka steal, lie, cheat, etc. This life doesn't HAVE to be hell, look at ghandi. He was in a perfect state of existence, but still on earth. How do you think he perceived the world? Sure, it's a cr*psack, but it's OUR cr*psack to deal with and if we were more loving to one another and everything around us, would it really be so bad? It's only bad because of our corruption, so he(it... whatever) can't really be blamed for that.

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Think about the 10th dimension. It will never begin and will never end. It knows(contains) all. It is omnipotent, omniscient, and everything else. A good way to describe this is that shadow exists in perfect harmony with light: each is the shadow of the other. The beginning causes the end and the end causes the beginning. He(it/thing/whatever) created itself. Also take a look at quantum physics, through consciousness, things exist, including consciousness. It self-creates.

The genetics thing can be chalked up to either mere chance(infinity contains all, so we are just lucky enough to live in a close-to-perfect genetic instance) or if you look at the story of Cain and Abel, it notes that he was afraid that the MEN in THE CITIES would kill him. There were cities then- Adam And Eve were not the first of their kind.(neandrathals, anyone?) They could have easily interbred with them.

Catholicism is undoubtedly a hoax,(not to say anything bad about catholics, they tend to be good people) they don't even use their own book, the bible! When you look back, it's obvious that the King James Version it was created as a control tool for the mideval england, to keep the people from overthrowing him. But when you translate it from the source, it makes a much more loving, peaceful picture. Though it could have been all for control, I don't know. who does?

Just a reminder, I hope that you did not see any negativity twoards you or anybody in this, as it was not my intent. no human is perfect, and I am certainly not any kind of exception. oh well, too bad, i suppose.

Truly there is a God. That you're having a difficult time finding him shows that your heart is closed....well open it....accept God in your life.

On a slightly different note, I have to admit that I often wonder if the aliens visit us because we have a belief in God and they don't and they know they're missing something...just a thought.

Best of luck in opening that heart of yours!

Back then alot of ancient culters seem to of been visted by aliens so they could possible the gods they wrote about.
Im open to this it's just i have a hard time believing the bible. There might be a higher being but it's not what people read in the bible i think.
Thank you all for your input.

Anybody got anything else to add?


[edit on 6-1-2010 by gtasa234]

Religion is not God. God is not religion.

Religion is simply man's feeble attempt to explain God.

I don't think of God as a being, but rather a force. It is everywhere and in everything. You have to find your own answers.

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I have my answers like i say i do not think there is one. The bible was written by man so alot of it is lies my thoughts. You can agree or disagree my post but i thought i get people going on this.

Double post.

[edit on 7-1-2010 by gtasa234]

reply to post by Monts

The bible was written thousands of years ago, before we had any knowledge about the way the universe really works.

The bible also appears in the beginning to be a collection of reworked older mythologies. It's an interesting story, but certainly not the first time it's been told. Only the first time it's been told in that form.

People were still asking the same questions we do today, such as "where did we come from" and "how did everything begin?". With such a limited scientific frame to work with, the only logical answers that could be conceived was that "God" or "The Gods" created everything.

I would disagree, if something needs a creator in order to exist, then logically God requires a creator himself. If God requires no creator, then logically there is no reason to assume that reality requires a creator. The most logical and simplest of the two is that reality has always existed as reality is not an intelligent complex entity.

The God from the bible is not really the God that is real, as almost any academic or scientist who believes in higher power will tell you.

The interesting thing is, as we've been learning more about reality and discovering new thing's that just can't be refuted, the biblical God has been getting pushed further and further into mythology. Now we're replacing the biblical God with a more vague version of God that can be interpreted on a more personal level.

As Einstein and Michio Kaku say:

"I don't really believe in the God of the bible and religions, but in the God of nature and harmony; the God you can see in the beauty that is the universe and everything in it."

There is a lot of suggestion towards intelligent design because of the way the universe works.

I find it somewhat dishonest of you to quote them and equate this somehow with intelligent design. Spinozism has nothing to do with intelligent design nor does it imply intelligent design. I don't care much for people who purposefully are being dishonest, so I do hope this is not the case and your just ignorant. Mind you, ignorance is not a bad thing, it just means you don't know what your talking about.

The laws of physics, to be created in such a perfect flawless way, in the "randomness" that we are supposed to live in, suggest that someone may have designed them. I remember reading that if you would leave it up to chance to make these laws, the chance of them being made so perfectly is the equivalent of throwing a dart to the earth from the moon, and hitting a target the size of an atom. Anything less would cause chaos and no life.

There is no indication that the forces holding everything together and making everything work were created or even had a beginning. Conjectures don't make truth's my dear Watson.

Gravity has also been perfectly tuned. I also remember reading that gravity's valued set could be pictured as 1 channel on one of those old horizontal radio dials, as long as the entire universe itself. 1 centimeter in either direction would create a universe where life would be impossible.

Interesting you should say that. We honestly don't know what gravity is. We've been making guesses as to what gravity is and how it works and the current model uses gravity to explain gravity. We suppose we're correct because some predictions have been observed, but others have not. There are other theories out there that make the same predictions, but gravity in the universe works differently than the Einstein model of gravity, coincidentally, thing's observed that don't seem to work under the Einstein model do work under these newer models. Yet they too have their own flaws despite possibly showing a clearer understanding of what gravity might be. Unfortunately for you however, if these newer models are closer to a better understanding, it invalidates your above statement.

Generally speaking, when you think about it, the universe, and us, according to atheists, should be impossible.

Interesting claim considering it's essentially false. This shows a remarkably poor understanding of what atheism is and what it asserts. Atheism alone says nothing about what reality is, what the universe is, where life came from or how it arose. The only valid point to be made about Atheism is that it asserts that there is no supernatural deity. Interestingly for us Atheists, supernatural means not physical/material. Does this automatically bar Atheists from having a concept of a creator/creative force? Absolutely not! If reality were indeed created and could be determined to have been created through proper scientific inquiry, then this means the creator or creative force is indeed natural, not supernatural. I've attempted to develop my own theories of a creative "quantum" species that gave rise to reality, no one was really interested though. Pity really, it was rather interesting I thought.

So, when we really think about it, we now know you haven't any idea what your talking about. It's OK though, not everyone is knowledgeable in everything. I don't know jack about cars despite the stereotypical belief that all males know everything about cars.